Will Plasma ever be as sharp as Led-Lcd? - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 10:44 AM - Thread Starter
 
XxHoosierdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 827
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
This is the one area where I think led-lcd has any advantage over plasma.

Plasma kill lcd when it comes to picture quality, so I will never buy an led-lcd. However, when I look at someone else's led sets they are noticeably much sharper than plasma tvs (noise free). This to me is the ONLY advantage lcd has over plasma. For example when you sit close to a plasma you can see the phoshors moving, yet for an led set they are crystal clear at all times. You can still tell a difference in sharpness from normal levels between the tech also.

Since this is a phosphor based tech it could be difficult, would it be hard to become sharper? Will PDP ever be nearly as sharp as an led set?
XxHoosierdaddy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 10:48 AM
Senior Member
 
persiannight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Bristol, CT. USA
Posts: 401
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
They only appear sharper at very close viewing distances. At proper viewing distance there should be no difference in perceivable sharpness. Just my opinion.
persiannight is offline  
post #3 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 10:50 AM - Thread Starter
 
XxHoosierdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 827
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by persiannight View Post

They only appear sharper at very close viewing distances. At proper viewing distance there should be no difference in perceivable sharpness. Just my opinion.


I can tell a difference though. From 50" tvs from 10 ft. away easily.
XxHoosierdaddy is offline  
post #4 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:18 AM
AVS Special Member
 
redwolf4k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,166
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
No, they wont.

They will never be as clean looking up close either.

Unfortunately, both technologies have there shortcomings. It's for you to decide which ones you want to live with.
redwolf4k is offline  
post #5 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:21 AM - Thread Starter
 
XxHoosierdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 827
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by redwolf4k View Post

No, they wont.

They will never be as clean looking up close either.

Unfortunately, both technologies have there shortcomings. It's for you to decide which ones you want to live with.

I mean, plasma are still sharp, just not nearly as much as lcd. I just can't wait for OLED. It even sharper than lcd, great motion, absolute blacks...man.
XxHoosierdaddy is offline  
post #6 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:24 AM
 
CMPMERIDIAN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 582
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post


I mean, plasma are still sharp, just not nearly as much as lcd. I just can't wait for OLED. It even sharper than lcd, great motion, absolute blacks...man.

This Samsung plasmas are very sharp, some LCD pictures are to sharp to appoint of being unrealistic. Plasma pictures are more realistic then LCD.
CMPMERIDIAN is offline  
post #7 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:26 AM
Advanced Member
 
psychobrew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 598
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

I mean, plasma are still sharp, just not nearly as much as lcd. I just can't wait for OLED. It even sharper than lcd, great motion, absolute blacks...man.

LCDs are often too sharp and artificial looking. I personaly prefer the smoother look given by plasmas.

Samsung PN50C7000
Yamaha RX-V775WA
BIC Venturi DV64 Towers
BIC Venturi DV62 CLRs Center

Still building but sounds amazing so far
psychobrew is offline  
post #8 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:38 AM
Member
 
vic_0002's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 124
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by psychobrew View Post

LCDs are often too sharp and artificial looking. I personaly prefer the smoother look given by plasmas.

I agree. The LCD razor sharpness is impressive for short term viewing, but if I have to sit through a 2 hour movie, the plasma picture is much more comfortable on the eyes.
vic_0002 is offline  
post #9 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:49 AM
Senior Member
 
persiannight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Bristol, CT. USA
Posts: 401
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Explain to me how it is sharper if its the same amount of pixels? Maybe im not understanding.
persiannight is offline  
post #10 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:54 AM - Thread Starter
 
XxHoosierdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 827
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by CMPMERIDIAN View Post

This Samsung plasmas are very sharp, some LCD pictures are to sharp to appoint of being unrealistic. Plasma pictures are more realistic then LCD.


I think your thinking of "Motion enhancing" modes on led tvs. They make them artificially sharp. I am not talking about that kind of sharpness (I hate the way led sets do that).

I am just talking about the noise free nature of them, not crap like auto motion plus.
XxHoosierdaddy is offline  
post #11 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 11:57 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Goatse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Pineapple under the sea
Posts: 3,875
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by persiannight View Post

Explain to me how it is sharper if its the same amount of pixels? Maybe im not understanding.

pixel spacing. Closer the pixel, picture looks smoother, thats why people say plasmas have more of a film like picture.
Goatse is offline  
post #12 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:08 PM
AVS Special Member
 
gmarceau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,080
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

This is the one area where I think led-lcd has any advantage over plasma.

Plasma kill lcd when it comes to picture quality, so I will never buy an led-lcd. However, when I look at someone else's led sets they are noticeably much sharper than plasma tvs (noise free). This to me is the ONLY advantage lcd has over plasma. For example when you sit close to a plasma you can see the phoshors moving, yet for an led set they are crystal clear at all times. You can still tell a difference in sharpness from normal levels between the tech also.

Since this is a phosphor based tech it could be difficult, would it be hard to become sharper? Will PDP ever be nearly as sharp as an led set?

I always thought that the Samsungs were the best at having a clean sharp image.

When it comes to watching blu ray, my Onkyo player has a sharpness setting that doesn't seem to add any edge enhancement effects. It makes my plasma look similar to an lcd.

Are you buying a 2011 Panasonic, btw?

"If you weren't such an ignorant troll, you'd be adorable" -rogo
gmarceau is offline  
post #13 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:12 PM - Thread Starter
 
XxHoosierdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 827
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

I always thought that the Samsungs were the best at having a clean sharp image.

When it comes to watching blu ray, my Onkyo player has a sharpness setting that doesn't seem to add any edge enhancement effects. It makes my plasma look similar to an lcd.

Are you buying a 2011 Panasonic, btw?

I am not buying a Panasonic until their black level issues are proved to be eliminated completely. (my last one rose)

Anyways, I am going to Best Buy Magnolia today and am doing a direct comparison of Panasonic vs Samsung plasma sharpness (with no enhancing modes on), I'll report back what I thought when I get back.
XxHoosierdaddy is offline  
post #14 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:12 PM
AVS Special Member
 
gmarceau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,080
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

I mean, plasma are still sharp, just not nearly as much as lcd. I just can't wait for OLED. It even sharper than lcd, great motion, absolute blacks...man.

You're done obsessing about this years Panasonics I take it? It's been fascinating watching your posts: Multiple threads obsessing about every nuance of the 2011 models and now you're more interested in OLED?

I'm looking forward to your 2012 Panny threads.

"If you weren't such an ignorant troll, you'd be adorable" -rogo
gmarceau is offline  
post #15 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:16 PM - Thread Starter
 
XxHoosierdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 827
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

You're done obsessing about this years Panasonics I take it? It's been fascinating watching your posts: Multiple threads obsessing about every nuance of the 2011 models and now you're more interested in OLED?

I'm looking forward to your 2012 Panny threads.

LOL no obsessing at all. Legitimate complaints about my tv rising, but as we know this forum is full of Panny fanboys who like to supress any negative feedback about it. There is no denying this forum is mostly Panny fanboys...at all.

Anyways I am not getting into this again, please stay on topic.
XxHoosierdaddy is offline  
post #16 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:24 PM
Senior Member
 
persiannight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Bristol, CT. USA
Posts: 401
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by XxHoosierdaddy View Post

I am not buying a Panasonic until their black level issues are proved to be eliminated completely. (my last one rose)

Anyways, I am going to Best Buy Magnolia today and am doing a direct comparison of Panasonic vs Samsung plasma sharpness (with no enhancing modes on), I'll report back what I thought when I get back.

Yeah, because those are the ideal viewing conditions to do testing. I for one don't care as I'm sure most other don't either. But report away....
persiannight is offline  
post #17 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:32 PM
Advanced Member
 
761-honda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 553
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
The only LCD I wish I had jumped on was the Samsung 52a750. Perfect mix of everything, bright and rich and better than todays LCD/LEDS

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LN52A7.../dp/B001418WF4
761-honda is offline  
post #18 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:34 PM
Advanced Member
 
neoshredder27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 583
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I actually prefer the picture to be smoother. Excess sharpness hurts the eyes. I don't know why people looking for razor sharp picture but I'd rather have a smoother picture like Cinemas offer.
neoshredder27 is offline  
post #19 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:52 PM
 
bigmac31391's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 345
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I like my Panny I just bought and this is my 3rd plasma I have owned. I also love my xbr4. I can honestly say I will never buy another plasma! led , lcd, dlp for me! Why , because they have a better picture to me and the other 4 members of my family! Sharper images , (i think) is why lcd sales are putting plasma to shame!
bigmac31391 is offline  
post #20 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 12:57 PM
Advanced Member
 
neoshredder27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 583
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmac31391 View Post

I like my Panny I just bought and this is my 3rd plasma I have owned. I also love my xbr4. I can honestly say I will never buy another plasma! led , lcd, dlp for me! Why , because they have a better picture to me and the other 4 members of my family! Sharper images , (i think) is why lcd sales are putting plasma to shame!

lmao. Putting to shame? I also own a LED and a Plasma. THe Plasma is far superior in picture depth in the darker areas. More natural picture on THX mode. But you can get that cartoonish picture on game mode as well similar to LED.
neoshredder27 is offline  
post #21 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 01:15 PM - Thread Starter
 
XxHoosierdaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 827
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by persiannight View Post

Yeah, because those are the ideal viewing conditions to do testing. I for one don't care as I'm sure most other don't either. But report away....

Uh, if its in a DIM room then, yes, that is the ideal way to view plasmas...
XxHoosierdaddy is offline  
post #22 of 22 Old 02-05-2011, 01:33 PM
AVS Special Member
 
benareeno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Posts: 2,026
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 14
I am in favor of plasma, in general...but the noise in the picture does seem to be too high. I recall the lower light output of something like a pz800 allowed a lower noise level, but also a lower light level. I'm ok with this as I think most flat panels are way too bright to begin with.

I have an xbr too...a 34xbr960 crt, and there is still nothing that can beat it for all around viewability. Size is not as big of a factor for an enjoyable viewing experience...especially when you have a noisy picture, raised blacks or terrible off axis viewing....
benareeno is offline  
Reply Plasma Flat Panel Displays

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off