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Pink banding sounds like it could possibly be nothing more than a combination of incorrect grayscale and color clipping, and if so, easily remedied. If it's something else, take the money and get a new TV.

Thanks for your advice. The tv has faint alternating pink and green bands running vertically across the screen. Most drastic in the middle. It is mostly only noticeable on white screens (hockey games, ect.). I assumed it was a problem because it is there no matter what settings i have it on and on all sources.
Is there any way you can recommend that i can test for grayscale/color clipping issues on my own?

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Is there any way you can recommend that i can test for grayscale/color clipping issues on my own?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

These tv's tend to clip between 95-100 contrast. If you are lower than 95 and you still see problems it's probably not clipping. Generic settings in which you should see no color non-uniformity would be: cell 15, contrast 90, gamma 0 or -1, movie mode warm 2 and dynamic contrast off
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These tv's tend to clip between 95-100 contrast. If you are lower than 95 and you still see problems it's probably not clipping. Generic settings in which you should see no color non-uniformity would be: cell 15, contrast 90, gamma 0 or -1, movie mode warm 2 and dynamic contrast off

Ok, thanks. Ya it is definetly a problem. Its not in your face noticeable, but its there and drives me crazy.
Looks like i will be getting a new tv.
Anyone hear any news on release dates or pricing for new '12 samsung plasma's?
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1920 dead pixels.
PN59D8000 delivered Wednesday. Applied Zoyd's FBr fix and one of the calibration settings from that thread. Really amazing picture quality. Sitting with my wife watching something in HD off the PVR last night and marveling at the crispness and color depth and suddenly one entire horizontal line of pixels goes black. Right through the middle of the screen (about half way from the top). So not exactly ignorable.
It is there on every input and picture / screen setting.
Sigh.
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Try to see if they will swing the 64D8000 (or even the 64d7000). They are in the 2300 ball park. If not, get the refund and wait for the new reviews.



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So im new to this forum and dont actualy own a D series plasma yet but please read on cuz i need some help. I have a pink banding on my 50c7000. Its still under warranty. The part is indefinitely on back order so Samsung offered to replace the set. Being that we are in between models years Samsung does not have any models in the 50''/51'' size left but here are the 3 options they have given me. Need some opinions...

OPTION 1) A full cash refund of $2100 (includes refund for 6 prs of glasses)- this would allow me to take the cash and buy a new model of my chioce.

OPTION 2) Replace with pn59d8000!!!- This is 9'' bigger and the model up. My only concerns are all the issues with screen peeling/brightness pops/buzzing ect. I've heard about. Also not sure it will fit in my room (but im sure i could find a way to make it fit!)

OPTION 3) Replace with pn51e7000- this is the brand new '12 model but they will only send me this if its available by April 30 (warranty expires then). Im being told the new models should be out by then.

All pretty good options. I'm having a tuff time passing up on the 59'' d8000 model. But i have read about alot of issues with the D's...and the new E models sound like they are gonna be pretty great. And even if the new model isnt available in time i could at that point just opt for the cash refund...

so what do ya'll think?

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1920 dead pixels.
PN59D8000 delivered Wednesday. Applied Zoyd's FBr fix and one of the calibration settings from that thread. Really amazing picture quality. Sitting with my wife watching something in HD off the PVR last night and marveling at the crispness and color depth and suddenly one entire horizontal line of pixels goes black. Right through the middle of the screen (about half way from the top). So not exactly ignorable.
It is there on every input and picture / screen setting.
Sigh.

I assume you're returning it. better now than later.
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1920 dead pixels.
PN59D8000 delivered Wednesday. Applied Zoyd's FBr fix and one of the calibration settings from that thread. Really amazing picture quality. Sitting with my wife watching something in HD off the PVR last night and marveling at the crispness and color depth and suddenly one entire horizontal line of pixels goes black. Right through the middle of the screen (about half way from the top). So not exactly ignorable.
It is there on every input and picture / screen setting.
Sigh.

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I assume you're returning it. better now than later.

Yes - the place I got it from has a good replacement/return policy. It is just frustrating - I am glad it happened now instead of after warranty, but it will mean about a week and a half before they can come and swap it out. I had picked up some movies that I am looking forward to seeing - they will have to wait.
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Yes - the place I got it from has a good replacement/return policy. It is just frustrating - I am glad it happened now instead of after warranty, but it will mean about a week and a half before they can come and swap it out. I had picked up some movies that I am looking forward to seeing - they will have to wait.

You can always watch the movies with the missing row of pixels. Then you can watch them again later.
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For people that have bought this TV from amazon or anywhere else for that matter, is their extended Square Trade Warranty worth buying? Is it as good or comparable to those of retail stores like Best Buy? Or is it essentially a waste of money?

I know Samsung's warranty is one year and a lot of things can and tend to go wrong after that as I have experienced with my Samsung LCD which has cost me $400 in repairs.

Some insight would really be appreciated.
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Can I assume our TVs won't pass DTS 5.1 from HDMI to optical? I have my PS3 plugged into the TV with HDMI and then optical from the TV to my receiver. I know about protected content being downmixed to 2ch.

When a game plays DD, I get 5.1 sound. When a game plays DTS, I get nothing. If I uncheck DTS as a format, I get DD just fine from the DTS primary games (Stardust, GT5).
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Ginormous box has arrived!



thankfully, no buZZing, dead pixels or banding from my initial inspection... break in now begins.

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Ginormous box has arrived!

thankfully, no buZZing, dead pixels or banding from my initial inspection... break in now begins.

It's beautiful isn't?

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Can I assume our TVs won't pass DTS 5.1 from HDMI to optical? I have my PS3 plugged into the TV with HDMI and then optical from the TV to my receiver. I know about protected content being downmixed to 2ch.

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New PN64D8000 owner, did the FW update to 1024.3, applied the FBr fix (11-11-04, thank YOU zoyd) and now enjoying the TV. Very happy with the TV.

The question I have is related to iso images. The TV can 'see' the .iso movie files on my DLNA server, and open them. However, when I get to the DVD main menu I do not know how to select the Play button or Settings or other menu buttons. I could not find anything in the manual about this. Anyone knows how to select/navigate main menu buttons when opening/playing an iso image?
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one operational question for those that already have the monitor figured out... is there a motion or refresh option? the reason I ask is because the motion in the monitor doesn't seem all that much more fantastic than my 60hz Samsung plasma.
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one operational question for those that already have the monitor figured out... is there a motion or refresh option? the reason I ask is because the motion in the monitor doesn't seem all that much more fantastic than my 60hz Samsung plasma.
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Could you be more specific? What is your source and how are you evaluating the motion quality?
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Could you be more specific? What is your source and how are you evaluating the motion quality?

thank you sir... so far the pn64 has only played BD's. I have played a few different ones, but I assume that the disney computer movies are the state of the art for judging PQ and Motion characteristics... I used UP and Wall-E and they both still exhibit slightly jerky/jumpy/blurry camera pans. on a 60hz monitor, I assume this was normal... on the 120's and above that I have seen, that motion seems to have been smoothed out to a point where the picture might not look natural. while I am not complaining about my new monitor, I see only a very very slight improvement over my older 60hz Samsung, I assumed the difference would have been much more noticeable on the new monitor.

that is why I was wondering if there was a setting or adjustment to minimize or maximize to 600hz?

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You are seeing typical film judder which arises from the fact that that all blurays store 1080p at 24hz (film standard). This is not a problem or limitation with the TV. If you need a brief explanation...

It is well known that film's framerate of 24 frames per second is far from optimal for motion and commonly results in jerky pans (which directors typically try to minimize). I find that when I move to a larger screen this effect is amplified. I believe theater projectors have ways to help minimize this effect, but it's still there. Motion interpolation as used on some flat screens is most effective, but many don't like the unnatural effect (and this feature is not included in the D series plasmas). Your only options are to compare 30hz and 24hz and see which you prefer. You may need to manually set your bluray player's output to enable/disable 1080p24. With 24hz out, you can enable Cinema Smooth (under Film Mode) on the TV to natively display the film framerate. This is the most artifact-free way to watch your blurays, but does lighten the blacks very slightly.

Plasmas do not generally have problems with motion (unlike LCDs) and the 600hz subfield feature has little or nothing to do with it, so I suggest you google that and read up a bit.
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TY for the information... sounds logical.

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I have a 2011 64" plasma panel. 3rd Samsung panel. I have owned. Because of this forum I watched for screen peel. When the screen peel developed I contacted Samsung support. Local TV repair contacted me and requested photos. The local TV repair ordered replacement parts. Local TV repair came to home, replaced old glass plasma panel, associated frame and electronics with new. So far working great. Wife and I swear the screen is brighter or has better blacks.
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I have a 2011 64" plasma panel. 3rd Samsung panel. I have owned. Because of this forum I watched for screen peel. When the screen peel developed I contacted Samsung support. Local TV repair contacted me and requested photos. The local TV repair ordered replacement parts. Local TV repair came to home, replaced old glass plasma panel, associated frame and electronics with new. So far working great. Wife and I swear the screen is brighter or has better blacks.

Out of curiousity, would you have any clue how much this repair would've cost out of pocket "if" your warranty expired?
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A panel replacement is not something worth paying for out of warranty. There was a recent post about the cost of replacing a cracked screen - it was close to the cost of a new TV (because that is essentially what you are getting).
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This is a monster thread that is just about impossible to read all the way through. But I just want to add that I took successful (more on that later) delivery of a PN59D8000 last week Tuesday. I was only able to watch it for a day before a business trip. But I watched a lot of TV this weekend.

So far I am more than pleased with the set. I have made just a few adjustments (movie/cell light/contrast/brightness/sharpness/etc) in the calibration thread. Have not done the 10pt adjustments.

What is most impressive to me is how incredibly relaxing the picture is. It doesn't have the eye-popping brightness of LED/LCD sets that tires me out. The surface appears non-existent to me and makes it seem like I am just watching a terrific image inside the bezel. Signals so far are TimeWarner via Samsung DVR, over the air HD (we have been having TWC problems), and regular DVDs via HDMI. Watched just a bit of Netflix to make sure it worked.

My TV buzzes a bit. Wish it didn't. I can hear it from 6 ft. away if the volume is low. But since this seems to be common, I have no intention of trying for another panel.

This is the 2nd PN59D8000 I have received. The first, bought through Amazon Prime yet Pauls TV inventory, arrived, with multiple cracks in the panel in spite of an undamaged box. Amazon refunded in two hours and said they were not able to sell this set due to too many problems with how they were shipping it. We bought again through Amazon but this time through Huppins/Onecall who shipped it strapped to a pallet with a shock sensor. Very good delivery via Yellow Freight.

Next is a wall mount. Then 10 pt.
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How are the prices on these sets STILL gradually increasing? They bottomed out in December and continue to go UP.

Isnt that the opposite of what should be happening? Are the new lines coming out anytime soon?
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I regret buying my pn59d8000 in every way. I ran into some serious issues with this set and samsung isnt sticking behind their product.
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I regret buying my pn59d8000 in every way. I ran into some serious issues with this set and samsung isnt sticking behind their product.

Very sorry to hear that. What problems are you having with your tv?
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Very sorry to hear that. What problems are you having with your tv?

Sounds more like our usual federal idiots at "work" than his tv having any particular issues, although I know nothing about RF interference that plasma tvs may generate, here's his other thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1398315

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I just noticed that there is a new download for the 64d newer than the 1024.8 that fixes the brightness pops. Still says it is 1024 as it downloads. Are they pushing the pops fix to everyone?

Except, of course, in paranoid delusions for those that believe.
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I just noticed that there is a new download for the 64d newer than the 1024.8 that fixes the brightness pops. Still says it is 1024 as it downloads. Are they pushing the pops fix to everyone?

It took me back to 1024.3...

Except, of course, in paranoid delusions for those that believe.
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