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Ok here it is, I want to buy a 50" plasma in the next week or two.

I do not care about 3d at this point so I have narrowed it down to these two sets for and can get either for about the same money.

Panasonic Model: TC-P50G20 vs Samsung PN50C6500


Let me know what you think, I would have bought the Panasonic already if I had not heard about the rising black level issues. So I am leaning toward the Samsung.

I should mention this tv will be in the family room so it will be used for sports, movies and general tv shows. Rarely will be used for gaming.

Thanks in advance.
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The TC-P50ST30?
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You may want to check out reports on this forum and on places like Amazon about Panasonic repair issues. Panasonic in many cases does not seem willing to make repair parts available, rendering any supposed warranties they offer essentially meaningless. Do you want to have your TV die in a few weeks or months, be strung out by Panasonic for weeks or longer, and then be told by Panasonic that they're not going to provide the repair parts, but instead they'll just give you your money back? It seems to happen alot. Why go through the hassle? Whatever you do, don't believe their "usually repaired in 2 days" nonsense.

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I can buy the Panasonic GT25 for less than the G20 or the 6500 and for the same money I can buy a C550 for. Leaning toward the GT25 at this point, any reason I should not consider this set?

OR I can step up to the Samsung 7000 for about 200 more. Is it worth it?
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i would spend extra 200 for 7000.. better glare filter and pq
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i would spend extra 200 for 7000.. better glare filter and pq

Ok, would the Panasonic ST30 have any advantage or disadvantage over the Samsung 7000?
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I can buy the Panasonic GT25 for less than the G20 or the 6500 and for the same money I can buy a C550 for. Leaning toward the GT25 at this point, any reason I should not consider this set?

OR I can step up to the Samsung 7000 for about 200 more. Is it worth it?

Get the GT.
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Get the 6500.

Similar blacks (.009 mll)

Black won't triple in a few months (like the G20)

Blacks won't float

Stable blacks

Much better processing

Looks a lot better.
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Get the 6500.

Similar blacks (.009 mll)
FALSE

Black won't triple in a few months (like the G20)
Would Still be darker then the 6500. Even after the rise.

Blacks won't float
They don't seem to float on the GT as the do the G20.

Stable blacks
Same thing as I've stated above.

Much better processing
FALSE. Beyond false. He also plans to game. GT has much better IP then any Samsung out there.
Looks a lot better.
That is a statement of personal thought. Not facts.

He wants to be able to game on this set. At the price they are selling and the fact he wants it for gaming means the GT best bang for buck.
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You may want to check out reports on this forum and on places like Amazon about Panasonic repair issues. Panasonic in many cases does not seem willing to make repair parts available, rendering any supposed warranties they offer essentially meaningless. Do you want to have your TV die in a few weeks or months, be strung out by Panasonic for weeks or longer, and then be told by Panasonic that they're not going to provide the repair parts, but instead they'll just give you your money back? It seems to happen alot. Why go through the hassle? Whatever you do, don't believe their "usually repaired in 2 days" nonsense.

Maybe this changed over the past couple years, but when I got my 800u, I had the panel replaced 3 times to make sure there were no dead pixels...while their stance on floating/rising blacks seems ridiculous, and I had to work a bit harder than I felt I should have to to have zero dead pixels, I found plenty cooperation and availability parts wise (although I do recall hearing something about that third panel being my last and if I had a problem then I was SOL :P ).

Also, reports seem to already be coming in that the 2011 Samsungs don't seem to have the same gaming/response issues that the last year or two had (and they sound like issues, since back when I was looking at Plasmas in 2008, all I heard was "get a plasma if you want to game ,they have a better response rate), and at least one user so far that owns a 7000 (which I plan on getting...as much as I love my Panasonic 800u, the issues that have plagued the sets the past few years after scare me, and I am very happy owning as et that doesnt appear to have said issues to upgrade into one that does) has tested it and found it has exceptional response time / input lag.....we are waiting on hearing more though if this a consistent thing or not.

*I didnt notice the "C" in the OP's post, sorry, my references were in regards to the 2011 "D" samsungs.
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He wants to be able to game on this set. At the price they are selling and the fact he wants it for gaming means the GT best bang for buck.

Ummm, nobody in their right mind thinks Panasonic has better processing than the Samsung.

Oh, and the G20 WILL triple from .008 to around .022-.024. The samsung measures .009 Mll after the firmware update. FACT.

the Samsung in Game mode equals the same as the G20 also.

Jukebox, you have no idea what you are talking about. Bye.
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Jukebox, you have no idea what you are talking about. Bye.
I'd say the same to you.... Oh wait. That's right. I already did......
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I'd say the same to you.... Oh wait. That's right. I already did......


You think the Samsung has blacks over .024.....you think Panasonic has better processing.....

Everyone else here knows you are wrong. Ignorance is a bliss.
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Ignorance is a bliss.
Thats my line. And what happen to "bye?" I read an article on C-Net itself stating that even AFTER the rise. Both the VT and G sets will still have some of the best blacks available today. (plasma) Look at the review of both and see for yourself.

"Despite the near doubling of MLL on the VT25 and G20 we've measured so far, both still exhibit some of the best overall black level performance available on the market today. In order of "blackest" initial black, the other 2010 plasmas in our lab at press time include the Samsung PN50C7000 (0.017 MLL), Samsung PN50C8000 (0.019), and LG PX950 (0.030). All of these numbers are higher (worse) than our estimated "final" MLL of either Panasonic panel."

Truth had been told. Side note. The MLL doesn't triple. It doubles. Here at AVS. Things tend to be dramatized. As you clearly try to do. If you still don't agree. Then I don't care. You believe your truth. I'll believe mine. It's as simple as that.
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Get the 6500.

Similar blacks (.009 mll)

Black won't triple in a few months (like the G20)

Blacks won't float

Stable blacks

Much better processing

Looks a lot better.

6500 is tough to come by at this point it seems and priced accordingly.

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Ok, would the Panasonic ST30 have any advantage or disadvantage over the Samsung 7000?

7000 just went up as well, $300 when I had it in my Amazon cart. So this puts it at $350 to $500 over the Panasonic Gt25 or ST30. So not worth it to me at this point.

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Get the GT.

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Thats my line. And what happen to "bye?" I read an article on C-Net itself stating that even AFTER the rise. Both the VT and G sets will still have some of the best blacks available today. (plasma) Look at the review of both and see for yourself.

"Despite the near doubling of MLL on the VT25 and G20 we've measured so far, both still exhibit some of the best overall black level performance available on the market today. In order of "blackest" initial black, the other 2010 plasmas in our lab at press time include the Samsung PN50C7000 (0.017 MLL), Samsung PN50C8000 (0.019), and LG PX950 (0.030). All of these numbers are higher (worse) than our estimated "final" MLL of either Panasonic panel."

Truth had been told. Side note. The MLL doesn't triple. It doubles. Here at AVS. Things tend to be dramatized. As you clearly try to do. If you still don't agree. Then I don't care. You believe your truth. I'll believe mine. It's as simple as that.

Which set will work better in a brighter room? GT25 or ST30 or G20?


Thanks for all the input.
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Which set will work better in a brighter room? GT25 or St30?


Thanks for all the input.

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6500 is tough to come by at this point it seems and priced accordingly.

7000 just went up as well, $300 when I had it in my Amazon cart. So this puts it at $350 to $500 over the Panasonic Gt25 or ST30. So not worth it to me at this point.

Which set will work better in a brighter room? GT25 or ST30 or G20?

Thanks for all the input.

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Also very interested in this.

All of them will hold there colors pretty well in a bright room. It all comes down to what your willing to pay. All 3 have great filters that work very well. Pretty much comes down to preference. If you want 3D. Get the GT. Major downside about the ST30 is it isn't THX. Which really sucks because right out the box. THX looks downright amazing on the the GT and G20. I personally think the ST30 is a bit overpriced. No matter which of the sets you get. You'd be happy. All of them work great for daytime viewing. The bezel will show more reflections then the screen themselves do. If you can find a 50 ST for the same price point as a GT or G. Then maybe I'd get the ST. No THX is a big deal breaker for me. Since I've seen personally how amazing THX looks. The fact that you can get a GT for around $900. Makes it really hard to consider anything else.
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Can anyone tell me if the GT25 supports DLNA? I looked at the user manual and it does not mention it. And other web sites seem to contradict each other. Seems odd that it would not though.
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Can anyone tell me if the GT25 supports DLNA? I looked at the user manual and it does not mention it. And other web sites seem to contradict each other. Seems odd that it would not though.

Stop going around every thread and asking the same question. As I answered before. I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
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