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post #61 of 1860 Old 03-24-2011, 01:49 PM
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Also a nice feature on this set, is the built in timer in the digital tv guide. C-series also had this but still ideal, because it switches to the program at the right time so you don't forget or miss the first part of the show.
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Final settings for me:

Mode:Movie
Cell:15
Contrast:95
Brightness:45
Sharpness:50
Color:55
Tint:50/50

Black tint:Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Gamma:0
RGB:Off
Colorspace:Native
Whitebalance: 25 on all
Skincolor:-1
Edge Enhancement:Off
Motion Lighting:Off

Colortint: Warm 2
Filters off & Moviemode Off

Soundsettings: Movie

Probably not checking in to this thread this frequently anymore, but hope my input helped a bit Thanks eckohb and other ppl who contributed. And good luck to the new owners!
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Anyone have settings for a USA model with a HDMI connection in non gaming mode? I know these sets are new, but I just can't get the colors or lighting right.

CURRENT
Mode: movie
Cell: 10
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 50
Color: 55
Tint: 50/50

ADVANCED
Black Tone: off
Dynamic Contrast: off
Gamma: +1
Color Space: Native
White Balance: Untouched(think this is the area that needs work)
Flesh Tone: -1
Edge Enhancement: Off

PICTURE OPTIONS
Color Tone: Warm2
Size: 16:9
Digital Noise Filter: Off
HDMI Black Level: Normal

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try bumping up the brightness to 50, and using warm1. warm2 is good for movies, but i prefer warm1 for sports and everyday tv. what model do you have?

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I just bought the Samsung BD-C5500 Blu Ray player, and its awesome! Love this TV even more now. I had to put my cable box on component cables so I could use HDMI ports 1 and 2 for the Blu Ray and Xbox 360. Even component HD looks good!

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It's the 450

Anyway found some settings for a HDMI hook up on Comcast. Give it a go.

Mode: Movie
Cell: 10
Contrast: 85
Brightness: 48-52 (your preference)
Sharpness: 5 for HD, 20 for non
Color: 38
Tint: G42/R58

ADVANCED
Everything off
Gamma: +1
Color Space: Auto
Flesh: 0

WHITE BALANCE
Offset
R:21
G:25
B:15
Gain
R:25
G:0
B:27

PICTURE OPTIONS
Warm2
16:9
Noise: off
HDMI black lvl: Normal

These settings seem to work well for me as far as non gaming. Ah forgot to add that gamma 0 or 1 is also preference based.

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How is the reflectivity of D450:

compared to D550?
compared to C450/C430 (from '10)?

...or, if you haven't compared them, then just 'in general', how is the reflectivity?

I really just want a ~43" plasma as a secondary TV, for a decent price, so I'd like the D450. However, it's quite sunny in our home much of the year, the room has several windows on one side, and I am only willing to draw the shades partially.

How do side windows vary for reflectivity as compared to windows facing the TV?
(I ask because we might use the TV in another room.)
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I looked at both today. (450 PQ looked ever-so-slightly better than the 490? No, I have no explanation)

I really wanted this to be my perfect TV, but I do think they're both a little too reflective for me.

Brings up a point I spoke to the BB dude about.

#1.) LCD/LED-LCD seem to have a glossy "finish" on their screens which doesn't necessarily create a mirror affect and thus allows you to focus on the picture better.

#2.) PLASMA seem to exhibit reflection "on top" of the actual picture and thus distract from viewing the picture itself.

That make any sense?? (i.e. glass top vs naked shiny screen)
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Thanks, I kind of understand; but, without thinking about it, I might need more of an explanation.

I have an idea of what the C450 from '10, and the D550 from this year look like, so I'm trying to compare them to D450. However, store lighting is much different from sunlight.
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Brings up a point I spoke to the BB dude about.

#1.) LCD/LED-LCD seem to have a glossy "finish" on their screens which doesn't necessarily create a mirror affect and thus allows you to focus on the picture better.

#2.) PLASMA seem to exhibit reflection "on top" of the actual picture and thus distract from viewing the picture itself.

That make any sense?? (i.e. glass top vs naked shiny screen)

no sense at all because the reflections would be the same for both. but the brightness of the LCD will make the reflections appear to be less. To test look at them side by side when the TV's are off. You would need to use a Samsung LED for this test because the Samsung has the true Glossy finish sreen that is highly reflective.
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And while *I* would agree with you on using a Sammy LCD for comparison, Sammy seems to have their own opinion.....

Ultra Clear Panel Sometimes you can’t keep sunlight or house lights from shining right on your TV screen. With Samsung’s Ultra Clear Panel, you can still get an amazing picture even with reflective light. Ultra Clear Panel absorbs most ambient light and virtually eliminates reflections so there are hardly any distractions. Ultra Clear Panel also helps make colors more vibrant with deeper blacks and enhanced contrast for crisper images and excellent shadow detail.

Now anybody that's seen any of the 2011 Sammy LCD's knows.....they're friggin' shiny!! How in the heck do they come to this "elminates reflections" conclusion? LOL!!!

Another point to your previous comment is that I'd have to say that the reflectivity will actually be slightly different in that the plasma glass is as smooth as......well, glass. While the LCD's screens are a bit "rippled" to put it best. Don't know if the makers think that can diffuse some reflectivity but it is a little different nonethless.
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Never had a 720 set (D450) before,always 1080.Should I reset my cable box output to 720p or leave it at 1080i.Will run BR today to compare to 1080.

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Id reset it so its at 720p. I believe 720p is better than 1080i.

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After months of doing research on what tv to purchase (First time buyer) i decided to pull the plug! i just bought the pn43d490 at bb for 717.00 with 2 free 3d glasses. it should be arriving on the 31st! has anyone used 3d on this tv? thanks in advanced!
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Never had a 720 set (D450) before,always 1080.Should I reset my cable box output to 720p or leave it at 1080i.Will run BR today to compare to 1080.

Despite being marketed as '720p', neither the 51" nor 43" versions of the D450/D490 match the broadcast standard of 1280x720p.

The best setting, if one's DVR has it, and it works properly, is 'native passthrough'; that let's the DVR send any given channel's native broadcast signal to your TV, and lets the TV scale it to it's resolution.

Sometimes, there can only be one DVR resolution setting (or that's all that works properly), and then you must decide on one, of course.

The 51" versions are 1360x768p; that is more resolution than 1280x720p. A 1280x720p setting (on the cable box) would cause 1920x1080i to be downscaled to less than the TV's native res., and then upscale it; that's not good. So, if you can only choose one setting, it should be 1920x1080i, IMO. (I've had a 50" 1366x768p TV for 8.25 years.)

The 43" versions are 1024x768p; that is less resolution than 1280x720p; (less horizontal resolution, but more vertical resolution). For the latter reason, a 1280x720p setting would still downscale the vertical res. to less than the TV's native vertical res., and then upscale it; again, not good. So, I would choose the 1920x1080i setting for this TV, also.

Rule of thumb, (that I and some others have noticed), is that it's worse to downscale the signal to less than TV's native res. (vert. and/or horiz.), and then upscale it to the TV's native res., because the removed resolution can't be recaptured in upscaling. It is better to upscale the signal, and then downscale to the TV's native res.

I tried to make that as easy as possible, but it does get a little technical. Basically, my eyes have agreed with the science of it. YMMV
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Despite being marketed as '720p', neither the 51" nor 43" versions of the D450/D490 match the broadcast standard of 1280x720p.

The 51" versions are 1360x768p; that is more resolution than 1280x720p. A 1280x720p setting (on the cable box) would cause 1920x1080i to be downscaled too much, and then upscaled. If you can only choose one setting, it should be 1920x1080i, IMO. (I have had a 50" 1366x768p TV for 8.25 years.)

The 43" versions are 1024x768p; that is less resolution than 1280x720p; less horizontal resolution, but more vertical resolution. For the latter reason, a 1280x720p setting would still downscale the vertical res. too much, and then upscale. I would go 1920x1080i on this one also.

Rule of thumb, that I and some others have noticed, is that it's worse to downscale to less than TV's native res.*, and then upscale, than it is to upscale, and then downscale to the TV's native res.

(*throwing away resolution that can't be recaptured)

I tried to make that as easy as possible, but it does get a little technical. Basically, my eyes have agreed with the science of it. YMMV

So cable output should be 720p or 1080i?
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Anybody else notice any difference between the D450 & D490??

*IF* I chose either of these, ya, I'd love to have the 3 HDMI inputs, but the 3D I could really care less about.

Biggy for me would be whether there's any real benefit to the 490's PQ. If not (and seeing as I'm not a gamer) I think I'd allocate the inputs as 1 HDMI for cable, 1 for BD (which I don't even have yet) and composite for the Wii. Anything else would just have to get switched out manually if I added.

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So cable output should be 720p or 1080i?

I always heard that most TV's have better scaling/converting capabilities than the cable boxes so you should use the "pass through" setting and let the TV handle any conversions necessary. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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I always heard that most TV's have better scaling/converting capabilities than the cable boxes so you should use the "pass through" setting and let the TV handle any conversions necessary. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.

Right, that's why I said, if 'you can only choose one setting'. Indeed, 'native passthrough' is always the best. TV gets the broadcast's native signal, and then converts it to the TV's native display resolution. Some DVRs either don't have this option, or it is glitchy, (it doesn't work at all for some or it resets sometimes, for others).
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After months of doing research on what tv to purchase (First time buyer) i decided to pull the plug! i just bought the pn43d490 at bb for 717.00 with 2 free 3d glasses. it should be arriving on the 31st! has anyone used 3d on this tv? thanks in advanced!

The 3D is fantastic on this set! You can sit pretty much anywhere in the room and you still get zero crosstalk. The new bluetooth glasses have yet to lose sync as well.
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Despite being marketed as '720p', neither the 51" nor 43" versions of the D450/D490 match the broadcast standard of 1280x720p.

The best setting, if one's DVR has it, and it works properly, is 'native passthrough'; that let's the DVR send any given channel's native broadcast signal to your TV, and lets the TV scale it to it's resolution.

Sometimes, there can only be one DVR resolution setting (or that's all that works properly), and then you must decide on one, of course.

The 51" versions are 1360x768p; that is more resolution than 1280x720p. A 1280x720p setting (on the cable box) would cause 1920x1080i to be downscaled to less than the TV's native res., and then upscale it; that's not good. So, if you can only choose one setting, it should be 1920x1080i, IMO. (I've had a 50" 1366x768p TV for 8.25 years.)

The 43" versions are 1024x768p; that is less resolution than 1280x720p; (less horizontal resolution, but more vertical resolution). For the latter reason, a 1280x720p setting would still downscale the vertical res. to less than the TV's native vertical res., and then upscale it; again, not good. So, I would choose the 1920x1080i setting for this TV, also.

Rule of thumb, (that I and some others have noticed), is that it's worse to downscale the signal to less than TV's native res. (vert. and/or horiz.), and then upscale it to the TV's native res., because the removed resolution can't be recaptured in upscaling. It is better to upscale the signal, and then downscale to the TV's native res.

I tried to make that as easy as possible, but it does get a little technical. Basically, my eyes have agreed with the science of it. YMMV

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So cable output should be 720p or 1080i?

I've edited the post for more clarity, and a little more info.; but, even in the original version, I make a recommendation, and it was 1920x1080p for each TV.
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Thanx,all.I will lv cable box set to 480p,720p and 1080i and let the tv defer to which ever.Had for a week approx 70 hrs still using "out of box settings" except bright-43.

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This post was originally on the 2011 Samsung thread but I've decided to drag it here and delete it there.

Just Upgraded..

Disclaimer these pictures were taken with a Blackberry Bold 9700. You want better pictures? Send me your camera!


Hello Boy's.


15 days ago i purchased a 2010 PN42C450 and i was extremely happy with it until it began to buzz. Manufacture date was 09/2010 and it was running firmware 1008 which appears to be the latest as per the Samsung site. This TV was purchased for bedroom use and at low volumes l could hear the buzzing and decided to see what i could swap it out for. Mid March rolls around and best buy lists the d450 and Pana TC42X3 on their site a few calls later and the C450 is bundled into the vehicle for either the D450 or the TC42X3.

The C450 Before it was taken back.


While customer service is checking in the c450, i head straight to the back where am met with a rather helpful agent who directs me to where the Samsung and Panasonic are flexing for potential customer. From the get go, the Samsung is certainly clearer/sharper/brighter than the Panasonic plasma and an LG LCD right below it. Disclaimer i am fully aware of torch mode. I bypass the Sammy and head for the Panasonic and while am loving the squared off bezel, the Samsung is steadily beckoning the bezel is tiny and the picture is bigger than the TC42X3..

Hello


BB agent does acknowledge hearing the buzzing with Samsung plasmas but am willing to give this one a chance and 30 minutes later am home setting it up and i can barely tell its on.........with the audio muted.



Picture is dialed down and am running the break in slides and so far am loving it. Should it start buzzing, then the Panasonic TC42X3 will be replacing it



Shrunken Remote



FYI i went from a 2007 30" Samsung CRT to the C450 and then the D450. My buddy who has an LG 47" LCD did comment on the quality of the image.



Am no audio/videophile own no blu-ray player and watch TV mostly after 11pm when i get home from work. Yes you don't need a mirror if you own this set but the daytime glare can be controlled by the open blinds.

This is the "07 Dinosaur which by the way is dead silent and heavy enough to sink the titanic.

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The 3D is fantastic on this set! You can sit pretty much anywhere in the room and you still get zero crosstalk. The new bluetooth glasses have yet to lose sync as well.

That's great to hear thank you! Have you had any problems with image rendition or the infamous buzzing noise? And how about reflection on the screen?
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Thanx,all.I will lv cable box set to 480p,720p and 1080i and let the tv defer to which ever.Had for a week approx 70 hrs still using "out of box settings" except bright-43.

Sure. Actually, you'll be letting the DVR defer to whichever signal it receives; (since you aren't going to be letting the DVR convert any of the signals). The TV always converts the signal it receives to the TV panel's resolution.
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That's great to hear thank you! Have you had any problems with image rendition or the infamous buzzing noise? And how about reflection on the screen?


I have not any any of those problems so far. The reflection seems quite minimal to me.
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hey guys,

i already got myself my main room TV, a LG 3D plasma, and am now in the market looking for a bedroom TV. we decided that around a 40" is going to be the best. i do prefer plasma's over LCD/LED, but its also just a bedroom TV.

with that being said, we went down to the futureshop yesterday (canada), and picked up the 42" LED/LCD insignia they had for $599. I dont know too much about it but i figured it would suffice for what we needed, and the slim factor of it was nice for the room.

However, i start looking again this morning and see that the D450 is $648. I know you guys can still get it much cheaper (ridiculous still), but only $50 more for the samsung plasma then the insignia.

Would you guys think that the samsung would be better than the insignia? i also noticed last years 42C450 is discounted to $475 here, is the D450 that much of an upgrade? I must note that we did look at LED at first since we have 3 large windows in the bedroom, but if the samsung plasma handles it well then i would definitely like to have another plasma!
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There is some reflection, I have four windows in my living room, and there is reflection, but ive learned to live with it. Its not the end of the world, considering I got an awesome TV and a Blu Ray player, with blu rays, all for the price of my flashlighting LED-LCD I exchanged for the D450. Im not sure how the C450 is in comparison, but I would just go with the D450, as a lot of owners had buzzing problems with the C450, and I really dont hear any buzzing at all unless I mute the tv and put my ear right next to it. Plus, you will appreciate the Plus 1 design with the 43". It's well worth it

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i think i will go have a look at it in store today!
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i think i will go have a look at it in store today!
Hopefully you come home with it. After comparing it to the 42" models in its class, I think youll see the d450/d490 is head and shoulders above the competition. I've seen a few posters say they had some judder with blu ray playback, but I've yet to see it. Watched The Dark Knight on blu ray last night, and was blown away. Certain dark scenes had detail, and I could distinguish between blacks, unlike before just watching it on DVD. Blu Ray really brings the best out of this TV

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