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post #3901 of 4127 Old 03-11-2012, 06:18 PM
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I'm trying to decide whether to pick up a pn51d7000 or wait for the e7000. Do you people think the d series will drp in price this month as the e tv's become available? Right now the d's are selling for about the same price as the e's ($1490 for e's).
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I have had a 51d7000 since September 2011 and LOVE it. The PQ is incredible, I really have not seen fluctuating brightness others have reported even on test clips and I have NOT applied the firmware fix for FBr as of yet, and the buzzing is really only noticeable when it is dead quiet and have NEVER noticed it while actually watching TV (as opposed to silently listening for a buzz). No peeling or cracking either.

Rumor has it from engadget the blacks are deeper on the E series but hey I have NO regrets getting this set. I say go for a D if you can get a deal on one.
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any help here?
I'm trying to decide whether to pick up a pn51d7000 or wait for the e7000. Do you people think the d series will drp in price this month as the e tv's become available? Right now the d's are selling for about the same price as the e's ($1490 for e's).
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There are threads dedicated to price talk. This isn't one of them.

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There are threads dedicated to price talk. This isn't one of them.

The question was also meant to include do the advantages of the e series make it worth purchasing over the d series!
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I have had a 51d7000 since September 2011 and LOVE it. The PQ is incredible, I really have not seen fluctuating brightness others have reported even on test clips and I have NOT applied the firmware fix for FBr as of yet, and the buzzing is really only noticeable when it is dead quiet and have NEVER noticed it while actually watching TV (as opposed to silently listening for a buzz). No peeling or cracking either.

Rumor has it from engadget the blacks are deeper on the E series but hey I have NO regrets getting this set. I say go for a D if you can get a deal on one.

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The question was also meant to include do the advantages of the e series make it worth purchasing over the d series!
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Yes, but why ask it when all you will get is speculation. The E series isn't even shipping yet and there are no professional reviews. If you want to speculate about price trends and features, you should be in the 2012 plasma linup thread.
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Regarding the Real Black Filter on the new D7000's...

Hi everyone, (first time poster here, sorry for it being so Long)

I've been following this forum since last summer and finally picked up a 51D7000 from Vann's, the set is beautiful. My parents bought the same set several months ago (Sept build) and have had no issues; no buzz, no peeling. When I received my set 2 days ago it seemed a bit more reflective than my folks set. After doing more research I read that Samsung discontinued the "Real Black Filter" on all d7000's build post Oct 2011... my set was built in November.

Bothered that Samsung is advertising something that doesn't actually exist on the sets anymore, I contacted them. .............[/color]


Is this true that d7000's don't have the filter anymore? One reason I am looking at this over the d6500 is it will be in a fairly bright room with picture windows.
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Yes, but why ask it when all you will get is speculation. The E series isn't even shipping yet and there are no professional reviews. If you want to speculate about price trends and features, you should be in the 2012 plasma linup thread.

Onecall has them in stock per their website.
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Doesn't matter, it's waaaay too early to expect any kind of reliable information. As of yesterday, the E series plasmas were still not in most (any?) B&M stores. Keep an eye on this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21762716

As for the real black filter, that may be true but it's tough to confirm (I saw wolverstone's info refuted somewhere). However, there was other evidence they made a change when people with peeling had panel replacements.
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Per the official Samsung 2012 Preliminary Product Guide (in my hands as I write this):
  • The E6500/7000/8000 are all listed as having Real Black "Pro" panels (whatever that means - no explanation offered).
  • For some folks, one possible negative on the E7000 will be that it has only have three HDMI inputs versus four on the D7000.
  • On the flip side... all E series 3D sets will come with 2 pairs of glasses.

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Has anyone else seen or heard information about if the d7000's still have the black filter?
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I have a jan. 2012 build and I don't believe it has the filter. It is slightly reflective. Also don't have any buzzing. Love this panel.
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I tried their online chat too - they told me the filtering is till in the d7000 -
Rex: Hi, thanks for reaching out to Samsung tech support. How can I help you today?

dan: I have heard rumors that the black filter was discontinued on the pn51d7000 plama tv's due to problems. I am looking to buy one but have a bright living room so I need the filter. do you know if this is true or should I wait for the e7000 tv?

Rex: I understand that you want to know if the Black filter was discontinued on the Plasma TV. Correct?

dan: yes

dan: on the d7000 series tv's

Rex: Thanks for confirming.

Rex: I'm sorry; I see that the Black filters are continued on the TV PN51D7000.

Rex: Please click on the link below to get more information.

Rex: http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/...FFXZA-features

Rex: Are you able to access the link?

dan: yes but I heard that due to problems this filter wasn't active. You are sure it still is?

Rex: Yes, it is still active on the TV.

dan: OK, thanks
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I just picked up this tv yesterday. Loving it so far. I was wondering what's the easiest calibration settings to make the picture even better? Or any good tips or pointers for me. Thanks.
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Going to be returning my PN60D7000 after 35 days of use (I'm premiere silver at BB so I get 45 days). The buzzing the TV makes it just too annoying. I didn't think it was that bad under normal circumstances even though I definitely heard it on a daily basis. However, now with baseball season starting I REALLY notice it . There is so much low/no volume time in baseball that the buzzing just infuriates me. Pissed because I actually really like the picture on it.
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I just picked up this tv yesterday. Loving it so far. I was wondering what's the easiest calibration settings to make the picture even better? Or any good tips or pointers for me. Thanks.

I've been really impressed with the picture provided by the Chad B reports that a few people have attached to their posts. Although I had to dial back gamma to -1 on the 59D7000 report that someone provided.

I think you can also find these settings in the big calibration thread.
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I've been really impressed with the picture provided by the Chad B reports that a few people have attached to their posts. Although I had to dial back gamma to -1 on the 59D7000 report that someone provided.

I think you can also find these settings in the big calibration thread.

I would avoid negative gamma settings on a D7000, you will end up crushing shadows. On the D8000, a setting of -1 is common.

Also, Larry has a few times posted a list of 6 or 8 different calibrations he has done on his D7000. I'll try to post the link in the cal thread.
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OK, I wrote Samsung technical support about the black filter, he is the humorous answer they sent me. Please note I was very specific about the TV I was asking about and the question I had -

So, sorry they are saying even the d8000's don't have a black filter! AND, they don't have any information on the new TV's!!

Obviously they don't have very knowledgeable people in tech support!!




Dear Dan ,

Thank you for contacting Samsung Electronics.

We understand that you want to know if the TV has the black filter.

We are sorry; as of now there are no Samsung TV's which have the black filter. We do not have the information regarding the upcoming products. If there is any information available it will be posted on the Samsung website.

If you require additional assistance, you can email us by copying and pasting the URL below:

http://*******/cPKXqU

Thank you.

Samsung Online Support.
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Yes, they are clueless. Even if they have stopped using it on the later D builds, they will never admit to it. Ordering a D series right now, you are more likely to get a late build but there are still old ones out there if you are that worried about it. The E series should have it, although they changed the name to "pro black" or something, so who knows what that means.
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Yes, they are clueless. Even if they have stopped using it on the later D builds, they will never admit to it. Ordering a D series right now, you are more likely to get a late build but there are still old ones out there if you are that worried about it. The E series should have it, although they changed the name to "pro black" or something, so who knows what that means.

I honestly don't know if mine has it (Jan 2012 build 51D7000)... but the box it came in SAYS it does.

The only comparison I can make is that when the set is off, the screen is significantly darker than the Panasonic 46S2 it replaced... with about the same amount of slightly diffused surface reflectivity as the S2 (I can see slightly diffused reflections in the screen when the set is off, but never noticeable at all in use.

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I would avoid negative gamma settings on a D7000, you will end up crushing shadows. On the D8000, a setting of -1 is common.

Also, Larry has a few times posted a list of 6 or 8 different calibrations he has done on his D7000. I'll try to post the link in the cal thread.

Damn, I really need to get my TV calibrated then I guess. The 59D7000 Chad B settings worked great for me as far as the color and brightness but I found that faces and such lacked detail and looked a little washed out with the gamma at 0 while watching via Verizon FiOS.

I hadn't noticed a huge problem with shadow detail, but I guess I should try to see if I can make room in my budget to have Chad B come out and calibrate my set.
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Color tone warm 2? Why is it that everyone likes warm 2 it seems like? I think I warm 2 is nasty to look at. Can someone please tell me more about color tones.

Also what's everyone's recommendations on a good HDMI cable?
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Color tone warm 2? Why is it that everyone likes warm 2 it seems like? I think I warm 2 is nasty to look at. Can someone please tell me more about color tones.

I thought the same. If you find settings that work well with your set your eyes will adjust pretty quickly to the Warm 2 color tone and you will definitely see that it provides the best looking picture once used with proper settings.
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Yep, Joe, warm 2 is by far the closest preset to proper calibration. You're not the first with this complaint, so feel free to change to warm 1 or whatever you like (BUT you cannot use the posted 2 and 10pt grayscale calibrations with anything other than warm 2).

Just remember that when you watch a film, movie mode (with warm 2) is closest to what the director intended you to see. Get it dialed in as good as you can and see if you can live with it for a while, some people need to adjust.
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Yes, they are clueless. Even if they have stopped using it on the later D builds, they will never admit to it. Ordering a D series right now, you are more likely to get a late build but there are still old ones out there if you are that worried about it. The E series should have it, although they changed the name to "pro black" or something, so who knows what that means.

Yes I think I decided to wait and buy an E unless the prices drop down ridiculously on the D's. Not making this a cost thread, but right now I can get a D for $1298 (with 2 prs of glasses) or an E for $1490 (with 2 pairs also). For the extra $200 I think the E would make sense.

Hope I'm right and no buzzing or filter problems on the new ones!
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I've been really impressed with the picture provided by the Chad B reports that a few people have attached to their posts. Although I had to dial back gamma to -1 on the 59D7000 report that someone provided.

I think you can also find these settings in the big calibration thread.


What page can I find Chad B settings?
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What page can I find Chad B settings?
I've attached the settings I'm liking at the moment to this post. There were also several other very good settings that can be found in the D7000/D8000 calibration thread.

 

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Got my color dialed in and and the TV hung up. Loving this unit finally. I'm just hoping that I don't see any brightness popping as the time progresses.

Enjoy the pics. The TV just looks gorgeous even if it's off.




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Nice, and your bezel looks ruler flat. What is the build date? Seems like most sets from last year had wavy bezels, but this was only noticable from an angle like in your first pic.
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Going to be returning my PN60D7000 after 35 days of use (I'm premiere silver at BB so I get 45 days). The buzzing the TV makes it just too annoying. I didn't think it was that bad under normal circumstances even though I definitely heard it on a daily basis. However, now with baseball season starting I REALLY notice it . There is so much low/no volume time in baseball that the buzzing just infuriates me. Pissed because I actually really like the picture on it.

Im in the same boat. I picked up my PN59D7000 a few weeks ago and The picture quality is outstanding but the buzzing that it emmits is completely unacceptable. Im going to replace it with a PN60E6500 or throw down a few houndred more and opt for the PN60E7000. The salesman at Abt was really cool about letting me extend my return time untill the 2012 models show up instore to preview. Time will tell.

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Why would you go e7000 over the e6500?
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