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Only thing that I am interested to hear about is 3D crosstalk improvement over C7000/8000 series.

I own a 63C7000 and the set impresses me every time I watch it and I am incredibly happy with it, only thing that bothers me is the amount of crosstalk in 3D.

Would be great if anyone could test 3D with their new D series sets and provide feedback.
Ghosting was a big deal last year so I'm surprised to hardly hear anyone with the new sets comment on the 3D. I just left BB (ordered a 64D8000) and while there I sat before their LED and PDP models to view some 3D movies. The LED hardly had any and the PDP had none that I could detect in the time I was there. Let's hear more on the 3D side of these new sets.
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Thanks. I can license the photos for your website for a small fee.
Or CP can just take a picture themselves since they have the same tv
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koffas do u see any rainbowing on the screen while the tv is on.?
i saw another memebers pic of his new plasma and i saw none of this.
Do you mean like light diffracting off the screen/filter? No rainbows whatsoever (TV on or off). I have occasionally seen that effect on LCDs in stores.
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MLL increase with Cinema Smooth

so the MLL increase is very noticable to the naked eye even without any equipment to measure black levels?...how does the increase compare to the C7000 (same, more, less)
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Koffas, can you comment on line bleed on this model? Better or same as last year. Also more comments on MLL increase with CS and floating blacks would be nice. I thought Samsungs did not have floating blacks. Did they in 2010?
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Just an idea about floating blacks...is it possible to try lowering (or maxing out) the Cell Light and Contrast and see if that has any effect? Might be an algorithm that triggers beyond a certain picture level.

In terms of picture processing, is the new model as good as last years? Are gradients still smooth and free of banding (eg. scrolling bar pattern in the menu)? Is the quality of deinterlacing and scaling just as good?

Cheers
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I thought Samsungs did not have floating blacks. Did they in 2010?

I'm not seeing any floating blacks on the '58 Samsung c6500 (2010 model) that I have

Floating blacks is torture to my eyes, I will never buy any TV that has this flaw in it.
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Just an idea about floating blacks...is it possible to try lowering (or maxing out) the Cell Light and Contrast and see if that has any effect? Might be an algorithm that triggers beyond a certain picture level.

In terms of picture processing, is the new model as good as last years? Are gradients still smooth and free of banding (eg. scrolling bar pattern in the menu)? Is the quality of deinterlacing and scaling just as good?

Cheers

I remember some TV, was either a '10 Panasonic plasma (which I know had FB) or might've been an '09 LG LED LCD, where, indeed, changing a setting to a certain number or less stopping or greatly minimized the FB; so it's worth a try, for sure.
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It's hard to make MLL delta comparisons going by memory, especially when the numerical change doesn't scale linearly with how the eyes perceive it. Fortunately, we have some numbers to go on... Chad found that the MLL increased by ~1.36x on the 51D8000 with CS engaged. That's an improvement over the ~1.68x reported by CNET on the 50C8000. Chad also made mention of color decoding errors with 1080p/24 material last year. I don't know if this year is any different. 3:2 pulldown works nicely if you want to go that route. No weird gradients or artifacting.

Based on commercials, line bleed is still visible but improved.

As far as floating blacks (luminance?), I never noticed them on the C7000, but I never blocked out the picture to stare at the letterbox bars on that set. From what I've read about with the Panasonics, there can be a delay between the MLL shift and APL, making it very apparent. On my D7000, the effect is subtle because the effect is instantaneous with the APL of the frame (like an inverse ABL). And with a bright, high-APL scene, the iris is less sensitive to detecting the MLL increase.

Given the improved contrast ratio, AG filter, buzz reduction, and styling, the D7000 is a clear improvement from last year and cheaper to boot. The RBF does a superb job with overhead lighting to create the appearance of infinite black. And, honestly, most people watch TV with some light on. Your significant other will thank you.
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Do these D-models still incorporate Motion Judder Control? I'm hearing that the D8000 does not.
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It's hard to make MLL delta comparisons going by memory, especially when the numerical change doesn't scale linearly with how the eyes perceive it. Fortunately, we have some numbers to go on... Chad found that the MLL increased by ~1.36x on the 51D8000 with CS engaged. That's an improvement over the ~1.68x reported by CNET on the 50C8000. Chad also made mention of color decoding errors with 1080p/24 material last year. I don't know if this year is any different. 3:2 pulldown works nicely if you want to go that route. No weird gradients or artifacting.

Based on commercials, line bleed is still visible but improved.

As far as floating blacks, I never noticed them on the C7000, but I never blocked out the picture to stare at the letterbox bars on that set. From what I've read about with the Panasonics, there can be a delay between the MLL shift and APL, making it very apparent. On my D7000, the effect is subtle because the effect is instantaneous with the APL of the frame (like an inverse ABL). And with a bright, high-APL scene, the iris is less sensitive to detecting the MLL increase.

Given the improved contrast ratio, AG filter, buzz reduction, and styling, the D7000 is a clear improvement from last year and cheaper to boot. The RBF does a superb job with overhead lighting to create the appearance of infinite black. And, honestly, most people watch TV with some light on. Your significant other will thank you.

what about image retention has this been improoved, is it a non issue for gaming for extended periods.
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Do these D-models still incorporate Motion Judder Control? I'm hearing that the D8000 does not.

Samsung decided to drop it. VERY poor decision.
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Can someone please post a link to a review of this TV plz? I can't find it anywhere
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I am now on Day 7 as an owner of a PN51D7000. I am coming over to this plasma after a 5 year affair with a JVC HD52-G886, which ended when one of the filters in the light engine melted.

I decided to buy this TV sight unseen, after seeing the D8000 on display in the local Best Buy (magnolia area). I was debating between the 51" 7000 and the 59" 6500. After seeing the 8000, the decision was made, and I have zero regrets.

The picture is amazing, but I haven't had time to find the best settings for my room. I may wait until the calibrator gets here.

There is no buzzing that I can hear. I even had no audio coming from the TV as I was adjusting my AVR setting via the GUI, and there wasn't a buzz.

The only issue I have so far is with NetFlix. The TV keeps losing it's activation.

Waiting for my 2012 upgrade...
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I decided to buy this TV sight unseen, after seeing the D8000 on display in the local Best Buy (magnolia area). I was debating between the 51" 7000 and the 59" 6500. After seeing the 8000, the decision was made, and I have zero regrets

what didn't you like about the D8000?...the claw stand?
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Do you mean like light diffracting off the screen/filter? No rainbows whatsoever (TV on or off). I have occasionally seen that effect on LCDs in stores.

yes i tryed to explain it the best i could. but iam glad to hear this
like i said somebody said they seen this in BB.
did you test the 3d yet and how does it compare to the pannys 3d
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what didn't you like about the D8000?...the claw stand?

Budget. I wanted to keep the final out the door price as close to $2K as possible. The 8000 and 7000 share many of the same features, so I could not justify the additional monies for the Web Browser and QWERTY remote.

I actually didn't mind the claw stand.

Waiting for my 2012 upgrade...
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Can anyone confirm the plug shape on the PN59D7000? I'm buying a powerbridge and mount in advance of the TV arriving and need to know whether or not I need to purchase the super-slim powerbridge.

Thanks!
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Samsung decided to drop it. VERY poor decision.

Well that totally sucks. I do like to use it for certain programming on my c750.
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Well that totally sucks. I do like to use it for certain programming on my c750.

Same here. I'm pissed to put it politely. I have the D7000 on the way, but I strongly doubt it will dethrone my C7000 as my primary HDTV because of this.
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I'm surprised they would do something like that. Maybe they just forgot! Sounds like something that is fixable with a firmware upgrade though, or I would hope.
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I'm surprised they would do something like that. Maybe they just forgot! Sounds like something that is fixable with a firmware upgrade though, or I would hope.

If they add it via firmware update, all will be forgiven. There are people out there that use and appreciate MJC. Make it happen Samsung!
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If they add it via firmware update, all will be forgiven. There are people out there that use and appreciate MJC. Make it happen Samsung!

I would be quite surprised if they brought it back just by a firmware update. Hopefully they have the mjc chipset built in the tv for that. They may have dropped it for a reason and if they meant it to be removed then they probably did not install a chipset for it. I'm still waiting for an update to improve mjc on the c7000/c8000 series. It still has crappy artifacts and halos around fast moving objects. Sony's motion flow is by far the best I've seen.
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The only issue I have so far is with NetFlix. The TV keeps losing it's activation.

I called Samsung and the L2 tech was aware of the issue. The TVs are so new that the Netflix (and VUDU) servers don't recognize them as valid models. I'm supposed to get a call back from one of their "product experts."

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Can anyone confirm the plug shape on the PN59D7000? I'm buying a powerbridge and mount in advance of the TV arriving and need to know whether or not I need to purchase the super-slim powerbridge.

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It's a circular plug about 1.5" in diameter.
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what about image retention has this been improoved, is it a non issue for gaming for extended periods.

Don't game, but no issues with scrolling tickers or stationary logos (hours at a time). This was not an issue on the 58C7000 either.
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Don't game, but no issues with scrolling tickers or stationary logos (hours at a time). This was not an issue on the 58C7000 either.

thats good then, it seems ir shouldnt be an issue on this tv thats as long as the 51inch isthe same regarding ir.
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I called Samsung and the L2 tech was aware of the issue. The TVs are so new that the Netflix (and VUDU) servers don't recognize them as valid models. I'm supposed to get a call back from one of their "product experts."



It's a circular plug about 1.5" in diameter.

koffas, can you take an up-close pic of the plug when it's plugged in? I'm having my basement built out and I'm looking at buying a recessed wall outlet and I want to make sure it will fit through the recessed part.

BTW, your pics at the beginning of the thread are fantastic. Thanks for posting them.
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From what I've read about with the Panasonics, there can be a delay between the MLL shift and APL, making it very apparent. On my D7000, the effect is subtle because the effect is instantaneous with the APL of the frame (like an inverse ABL). And with a bright, high-APL scene, the iris is less sensitive to detecting the MLL increase.

Thanks for clarifying this koffas. I was actually going to ask you about this specific behaviour of floating blacks but you have read my mind

You see, on my previous Panasonic, a 54V20, I found the floating blacks to be intolerable due to the specific way they had implemented it (i.e scene change...wait...then black floats up/down...so annoying!). Whereas the floating blacks on my other Panasonic, a 42PZ800, are instantaneous with APL, and funnily enough I find it completely tolerable. Although on that set, the MLL itself doesn't change, just the low end gamma brightens/darkens depending on APL. But as mentioned, it's instantaneous, so on a scene change you don't even get time to see it happening.

For the Samsung though, I would have to see just how much the black level floats, and where exactly the threshold is. If the threshold is set high enough, and it's instantaneous enough, it *could* be ok.

Question: is it only the idling pixels which change in brightness, or is it the entire frame that gets brighter/darker?
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"It's either this or the D550 for me."

Just curious: is there a reason you "skip over" the D6500?
Or does the price differential between the 3 models make the D6500 somehow unattractive?

I think the biggest size in the 6500 is the 59".
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