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Actually that does not look too bad and is on par with the 58vt25 from last year.
Are you referring to the line bleed? if yes then VT25 has more line bleed than what is shown of D7000 in that picture.

I don't have the D7000 but i do have the VT25 and C7000.
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Did I miss this review? and were the settings posted somewhere?
Im with you Nerf, What Review?
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Took the pictures last night but forgot to bring my SD card to load them today. But I was wrong because it is really hard to tell the difference in a photo. I couldn't get both TVs to take good enough pictures to tell. Hope to up load what I did take a little later but I don't think it will do either TV justice.

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Just got my 59D7000 yesterday. Looks great and it blows away my PN50A650, which I still think has a great picture. Only had a few minutes to play around with it, but is it supposed to have a web browser? I could not find it. On Samsungs site, they have the specs for the PN64D7000, it clearly says the D7000 series has a web browser. Not a big deal, but was curious.
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Also, does anyone have any recommendations for an affordable 3D blueray player for this TV? Sams club had the Sony bx57 for $138 and Amazon has the Samsung BD-D5500 for $161. Sorry for being a little off topic!
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If you lived in NYC, I'd sell you the BNIB Samsung BDD5500 that was thrown in with my TV for way less. My 3D starter kit and bluray player arrived today, but still waiting on the TV. Can't wait.
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What about the Colors? Yet I'm guessing the processing is the same since they both use the Crystal HD Engine.
Yet if those 2 things are in fact that same as the D550, it looks like it's a matter of shelling out an extra $600 for superior black levels.
And I could care less about all of those other apps which are useless to me. ;p

The colors look about the same as my D550 (although you really can't tell from a picture online). I have no complaints about color accuracy and richness on my D550, it looks really good as long as the room is fairly dark.
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Hey guys anyone with one of these sets:

Has anyone tried the 3d on these sets??
How is the crosstalk (and if you have seen or owned) compared to the c8000?

PassedPawn is so far the only owner to test crosstalk (D6500). His results show it is about the same as last year. We'll need to wait for more owners to test crosstalk to get a clear answer.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1291751
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Here are the pictures. They were taken in the same light, camera, video feed, and about the same angle. I know photos don't do much for this kind of thing but this is pretty accurate to what my eyes see when watching both sets. The wife wouldn't let me change the station in the bed room as I do not watch that crap

51D7000 - Movie Mode and no other adjustments

58VT25 - THX Mode and no other adjustments



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Probably shouldn't ask -- is that Jersey Shore? Other than that, looks good.
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LOL, my wife is into all reality shows. I think this is by far the worst one she watches. At least she has a nice TV to watch it on.

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Probably shouldn't ask -- is that Jersey Shore? Other than that, looks good.




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Probably shouldn't ask -- is that Jersey Shore? Other than that, looks good.

That's why they look orange! Talk about unnatural skin tones!
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Thanks bigham 16 for the pictures both tvs look awesome and about the same to me
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The colors look about the same as my D550 (although you really can't tell from a picture online). I have no complaints about color accuracy and richness on my D550, it looks really good as long as the room is fairly dark.

Well then I guess it's a matter of wanting to drop $600 more for the real Black filter for better blacks i guess aside from all of those apps. But is the black level difference between the two pretty noticable?
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Watching Mavs vs Lakers and I am really enjoying this TV. But one issue that I have noticed and I hope I can explain it. The picture went from normal (movie mode) to really dark bars and really orange faces. But it's was one of those "did that just happen" moments until my wife noticed. It only did it once during the movie. I didn't think too much about until it did it again durning the basketball game. It has only done it twice. Anybody else come across this?



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Lol, I should take my pictures down. At the office I can tell the difference between the two TVs but on my Mac and iPad you cannot tell at all...oh well I tried



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Thanks. Just read the review. D7000 is a great TV. Used your settings and looks great!

x3. Can you post a link to the review and the settings? Please?
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58VT25 - THX Mode and no other adjustments

Why is there a strange glow in most part of this image? or is this normal?

Was the white balance, lighting and shutter speed same for both the shots? because it looks different.

I don't have the D7000 but have both VT25 and C7000, i can tell you both have very good blacks in a dark or dim lit room, C7000 picture looks much cleaner and colors looks much nicer than my VT25.

3D looks marginally better on VT25, both my tv's have been been calibrated and they are not in standard settings.
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Received my starter kit with the glasses smashed. D'oh. My TV better not arrive in that state.
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LOL, I don't see glow on my LG monitor but the pictures look different on my Mac. I think I just proved that pictures don't work for showing blacks on the net.

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I'm considering upgrading from my current 50" Pany v10 to something larger. 50 inches seemed big at the time, but it just seems a little underwhelming viewing from 10 feet in my living room.

Based on the reviews of the 2010 models, it looks like Samsung is basically just as good as Panasonic, but substantially cheaper. I can't decide whether I should try to get a good bargain on a close-out pn63c7/8000, or just make do with my current TV until I can get a better deal on a 2011 d-series. Frankly, I usually opt for the close-out models to save money unless the new model is substantially better in some way.

What is supposed to be improved between 2010 and 2011? Any reviews actually conducting a comparison? Any significant difference between the 7000 and the 8000 in either 2010 or 2011?

Any advice would be appreciated.
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I'm considering upgrading from my current 50" Pany v10 to something larger. 50 inches seemed big at the time, but it just seems a little underwhelming viewing from 10 feet in my living room.

Based on the reviews of the 2010 models, it looks like Samsung is basically just as good as Panasonic, but substantially cheaper. I can't decide whether I should try to get a good bargain on a close-out pn63c7/8000, or just make do with my current TV until I can get a better deal on a 2011 d-series. Frankly, I usually opt for the close-out models to save money unless the new model is substantially better in some way.

What is supposed to be improved between 2010 and 2011? Any reviews actually conducting a comparison? Any significant difference between the 7000 and the 8000 in either 2010 or 2011?

Any advice would be appreciated.

I believe black levels are supposed to be much improved in the D series compared to the C's. I have had a C8000 for a week, and I think it is absolutely perfect except for higher black levels than I would prefer. My prior set was a Panasonic G25 which had so many problems to me, although the black levels were really nice. But I don't think any official data has come in in regards to the black levels of the D series yet, though I could be mistaken. I'm loving the c8000 so far though, and got a great deal on it through amazon's warehouse deals.
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Looks like the deals are starting.. Buy.com has a package for pn51d7000, Blu-ray and 3d pack, plus free shipping..
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I believe black levels are supposed to be much improved in the D series compared to the C's. I have had a C8000 for a week, and I think it is absolutely perfect except for higher black levels than I would prefer. My prior set was a Panasonic G25 which had so many problems to me, although the black levels were really nice. But I don't think any official data has come in in regards to the black levels of the D series yet, though I could be mistaken. I'm loving the c8000 so far though, and got a great deal on it through amazon's warehouse deals.

The only measurement thus far has been by Chad on a 51D8000 @ 0.0165 fL. The larger panels are expected to have deeper blacks. Samsung reps at CES claimed they should match a pre-risen VT25 (0.004 fL). To my eyes, the MLL looks improved over last year.

On that note, for at least the last two generations of their PDP line, I find it interesting that Samsung aims for the MLL benchmark set in the previous year. God forbid their PDPs overshadow their LCDs.

From 2011 CES
"I talked to Samsung's engineers about the new plasma and they claim to have improved black level performance to the 0.004 ftl minimum luminance I measured on my favorite 2010 TV, the Panasonic TC-P50VT25."
http://reviews.cnet.com/search-resul...-34468620.html

From 2010 CES:
"The company says it has improved black-level performance to approach the depth seen on Panasonic's 2009 models."
http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-6482_7-10002730-11.html
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Kaffas do you mind sharing what settings you are using, I'm not much of a techie but I can't seem to get the picture right. Standard feels like the colors are bleeding and movie is too dark. Any suggestions?
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Has anyone actually been able to directly compare the D7000 to the 8000? Other than stand looks/color -- it's about $300 difference in the 64" size. Not a lot if you're spending $3000 anyway -- but certainly no reason to throw money away if there isn't a visible difference in picture quality.
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I've seen posts here and there starting that this model floats the black. Has that been confirmed or not?

The 101 is soooo very nice!!!
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Has anyone actually been able to directly compare the D7000 to the 8000? Other than stand looks/color -- it's about $300 difference in the 64" size. Not a lot if you're spending $3000 anyway -- but certainly no reason to throw money away if there isn't a visible difference in picture quality.

From what I saw in stores, I think there's a bigger difference between the 51" and 59" versions of both models. That difference is the AR capability -- the 59" D7000 and D8000 had noticeably lower reflections than either model in the 51" screen size.

I have not seen what the D8000's mythical LCE can do. I have seen what crappiness the SmartTV is... I don't at all crave the D8000 extensions to that pile. I'm getting a $99 iTV.

I absolutely love how my new PN59 D7000 looks.
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From what I saw in stores, I think there's a bigger difference between the 51" and 59" versions of both models. That difference is the AR capability -- the 59" D7000 and D8000 had noticeably lower reflections than either model in the 51" screen size.

Very strange. It seems like the 50-51 owners are getting screwed on 2010 and 2011 versions. 2010 50" had worse black levels than larger versions and now you are saying reflections are worse in the 51" 2011 models. Can't win!
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