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Can somebody please help sum up this "bug" with the GT30 for me, and see if I have it right?

Basically, the GT30 when set to THX mode, produces lighter black levels and a "worse" gamma, meaning the PQ is not as bright???

So the only way to get around this for now is to set it on Custom, and try to emulate THX settings as best you can??

If so, doesn't this defeat one of the MAJOR purposes for getting a GT30 - for the out-of-the-box THX???

Black level is not lighter in THX mode, but gamma is too low meaning the picture will appear a bit too bright.

The solution is custom mode which can give you a more ideal gamma but at the expense of some color accuracy. I know on the ST30 custom mode was considered the best so the color must be pretty decent. Main difference between GT and ST is that the GT has nearly twice as dark blacks.

The bug people are talking about is something else, floating whites. Each panel has it, but not to the same extent due to manufacturing. Whether you see this fluctuation or not is the only thing that matters however.
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Hi all,

I have an older Pany Plasma, I believe one of the first 1080p models, purchased roughly in 2005-2006 I believe? 50 inch....

I was curious how Plasma technology has changed since then. I am looking for a new TV, probably slightly bigger, maybe 55 inches, and the majority of what I'm seeing out there in terms of popularity are newer LCDs.

I definitely do not want an LCD, so I am wondering if newer plasma's, like a GT30, are really any different then my 6 year old Pany Plasma. I would hate to spend the money on a 55 or 60 GT30 and have virtually no difference other then size to a 6 year old tech (hey, if it isn't broke don't fix it though, right?). Just curious...

Thanks!

(Oh, I should note that I am speaking specifically on 2D picture quality. I don't care about internet connectivity, 3D, audio, etc.)
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Hi all,

I have an older Pany Plasma, I believe one of the first 1080p models, purchased roughly in 2005-2006 I believe? 50 inch....

I was curious how Plasma technology has changed since then. I am looking for a new TV, probably slightly bigger, maybe 55 inches, and the majority of what I'm seeing out there in terms of popularity are newer LCDs.

I definitely do not want an LCD, so I am wondering if newer plasma's, like a GT30, are really any different then my 6 year old Pany Plasma. I would hate to spend the money on a 55 or 60 GT30 and have virtually no difference other then size to a 6 year old tech (hey, if it isn't broke don't fix it though, right?). Just curious...

Thanks!

(Oh, I should note that I am speaking specifically on 2D picture quality. I don't care about internet connectivity, 3D, audio, etc.)

I noticed a pretty big improvement from my 2008 PX80U to my GT25, 720p to 1080p but technology has improved, availibily of THX modes, improved motion resolution, faster phosphers etc, more user controls and other improvements. But only you can decide whether it is worth the jump for me it was. However 3d factored into my decision.

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I noticed a pretty big improvement from my 2008 PX80U to my GT25, 720p to 1080p but technology has improved, availibily of THX modes, improved motion resolution, faster phosphers etc, more user controls and other improvements. But only you can decide whether it is worth the jump for me it was. However 3d factored into my decision.

In addition, if black levels are important to you, the ST, GT, and VT 2011 Panny sets will provide a vast improvement. I have a 600U purchased in 11/06.
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Hi all,

I have an older Pany Plasma, I believe one of the first 1080p models, purchased roughly in 2005-2006 I believe? 50 inch....

I was curious how Plasma technology has changed since then. I am looking for a new TV, probably slightly bigger, maybe 55 inches, and the majority of what I'm seeing out there in terms of popularity are newer LCDs.

I definitely do not want an LCD, so I am wondering if newer plasma's, like a GT30, are really any different then my 6 year old Pany Plasma. I would hate to spend the money on a 55 or 60 GT30 and have virtually no difference other then size to a 6 year old tech (hey, if it isn't broke don't fix it though, right?). Just curious...

Thanks!

(Oh, I should note that I am speaking specifically on 2D picture quality. I don't care about internet connectivity, 3D, audio, etc.)

Pretty much anything you get would be am upgrade in practically every aspect of getting a tv. Even a lower end plasma would still give you much greater benefits from a 05 set.
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In addition, if black levels are important to you, the ST, GT, and VT 2011 Panny sets will provide a vast improvement. I have a 600U purchased in 11/06.

600U was a great set for it time
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600U was a great set for it time

For it's time sure. For today? Nope.
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a review of tke UK 42GT30 from aredvd.de
http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2011/...-p42gt30.shtml
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another review from AVforum of the UK GT30 (sorry if the link has already been posted)
http://www.avforums.com/review_comme...TV-Review.html
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Does the GT30 and the ST30 have a 96 hz 24 bit mode? By the way what does 96hz mean? I thought both TVs had 600hz, which meant how many frames per second....? Sorry, I'm a confused TV newbie that wants a good TV at an affordable price. I'm interested in 3D and 2D viewing. Thanks for any help.
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The 55" is out now.
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Does the GT30 and the ST30 have a 96 hz 24 bit mode? By the way what does 96hz mean? I thought both TVs had 600hz, which meant how many frames per second....? Sorry, I'm a confused TV newbie that wants a good TV at an affordable price. I'm interested in 3D and 2D viewing. Thanks for any help.

I'm pretty sure the VT has 96hz and the other two have 48hz, both are for playing back 24p sources like Blue Ray discs. So at 48hz it displays the same frame twice and at 96 it displays the same frame 4 times in a row. 48hz will show flicker and some people are sensitive to that.

Tv's are based on the 60hz standard. 600hz refers to sub-field drive so there's 10 pulses per frame for each sub pixel.
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Which tv to get?

Panasonic 60GT30

or

Samsung pn59d8000
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Which tv to get?

Panasonic 60GT30

or

Samsung pn59d8000

Purely depends on what your looking for. You never going to get an unbiased choice in a Panny thread.
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Purely depends on what your looking for. You never going to get an unbiased choice in a Panny thread.

No i hear ya, its just its the top of the line samsung model vs the middle of the line panny. I just wish there was professional reviews on these sets.Well i know there is one on the gt30
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GT30 is not "middle of the line." It's second only to the VT30, so I'd venture to say it's part of the upper line of Panasonic TVs for 2011.

But I realize this is a tomato/toma-toe thing. One man's middle is another man's upper.
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GT30 is not "middle of the line." It's second only to the VT30, so I'd venture to say it's part of the top tier Panasonic TVs for 2011.

But I realize this is a tomato/toma-toe thing. One man's middle is another man's upper.

Right i get that its 2nd to vt30, thats why i said middle of the line, because it is middle. VT30 . . . GT30 . . . ST30

Samsung 8000. . . 7000......6500......550
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Right i get that its 2nd to vt30, thats why i said middle of the line, because it is middle. VT30 . . . GT30 . . . ST30

Samsung 8000. . . 7000......6500......550

VT30... GT30... ST30... S... X...

Going by your scale, the 7000 Samsung is middle of the line, and the 6500 is the bottom of the barrel rat turds.
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VT30... GT30... ST30... S... X...

Going by your scale, the 7000 Samsung is middle of the line, and the 6500 is the bottom of the barrel rat turds.

"my scale" No thats the order of the plasma displays
im not samsung biased, but you make no sense at all, all i asked was if the Samsung 8000 might be better than the the GT30,


Im willing to bet that the VT30 beats out the samsung 8000, But does the GT30 also?
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No i hear ya, its just its the top of the line samsung model vs the middle of the line panny. I just wish there was professional reviews on these sets.Well i know there is one on the gt30

I would say get the Sammy. They are downright beautiful. Blacks are suppose to be amazing after a suppose firmware update.
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Purely depends on what your looking for. You never going to get an unbiased choice in a Panny thread.

Or in a Samsung thread!
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I would say get the Sammy. They are downright beautiful. Blacks are suppose to be amazing after a suppose firmware update.

I would never trust promises (which may never come at all, or may not deliver as promised). Samsung claimed they would have great blacks, and a fixed cinema problem, this year, and neither are true to date. Same goes for Panny (I wouldn't trust that they have fixed their rising black problem until people log 2000 hours on them to verify). Today, I would say get the Panny, but that advice could change in a few months.
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I would never trust promises (which may never come at all, or may not deliver as promised). Samsung claimed they would have great blacks, and a fixed cinema problem, this year, and neither are true to date. Same goes for Panny (I wouldn't trust that they have fixed their rising black problem until people log 2000 hours on them to verify. Today, I would say get the Panny, but that advice could change in a few months.

Never said trust it. SUPPOSE. I do believe they will do as they've said. Least I can hope.
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Is there a G30 model or is it only GT and VT? I'm not really interested in 3d.
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Is there a G30 model or is it only GT and VT? I'm not really interested in 3d.
I'm not sure, but keep in mind, the best 2D sets are the ones capable of 3D typically, meaning the ST30/GT30 would have stronger 2D performance than lower sets.
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Is there a G30 model or is it only GT and VT? I'm not really interested in 3d.
No, there isn't. Just because a tv is capable of 3D, doesn't mean you need to purposely steer clear of a "3D tv". Don't think that these 3D tv's are "3D tv's". Think of them as 2D tv's that can also produce 3D. It's just the way the manufacturers are marketing the tv's. They could have marketed them as 600hz tv's, or internet tv's, or hdmi tv's, or sd card slot tv's, or super duper really thin tv's, etc.... you get it?

The truth is, as each year passes, more and more tv's will be made with the ability to do 3D. And so for those people who aren't educated, they think they should purposely steer clear of a 3D tv because "they don't want a 3D tv". But if you want a quality 2D tv, you're going to be getting a tv that can also do 3D. Make sense?

If you end up buying a 2011 non-3D plasma, then you're going to be getting an inferior product. For instance, Panasonic makes an X3, S30, ST30, GT30, and VT30. The X3 is a 720p non 3D plasma. It's garbage... don't even think about buying it. The S30 is a 1080p non 3D plasma. It's mediocre, but if you don't have a lot of money to spend on a plasma and just want "a tv", then I guess it could be ok. The ST30 is a 1080p 3D plasma that is superior to the S30 is many ways, AND it's only a few hundred dollars more... definitely worth it. The GT30 is a 1080p 3D plasma that is slightly better than the ST30 for a bit more money. And the VT30 is the top of the line 1080p 3D plasma that could end up being the best tv of 2011, but it will cost a pretty penny.

The best bang for your buck is the ST30. It's not that expensive for what you get, PLUS you get the added benefit of having 3D at your disposal if you ever feel like going down that road in the future.

So, if you steer clear of a plasma that doesn't have 3D, you're going to not spend as much, but you're getting a tv that's just not as good as it could be. Trust me, I'm not the only one who will tell you this.

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The 55" is out now.

I noticed today Amazon shows it in stock for the first time.
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I noticed today Amazon shows it in stock for the first time.



They sure are There price is high though.
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"my scale" No thats the order of the plasma displays
im not samsung biased, but you make no sense at all, all i asked was if the Samsung 8000 might be better than the the GT30,


Im willing to bet that the VT30 beats out the samsung 8000, But does the GT30 also?
Considering that Samsung seems to have the problems that Panasonic had last year and the problems that some GT30s have this year, I'd say that the ST30 is worth considering.

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