There is a glaring mis-print in the manual - it says the TV has a 96Hz option but that's incorrect - it does not have this. It is confirmed that it's mis-print.
Edit - A few said that the manual booklet that came with their TV contained an insert with the correction.
My mistake. I was using Panasonic's web site as a source (obviously I haven't been shopping yet). Kind of pathetic when you can't trust the manufacturer's web site!
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My mistake. I was using Panasonic's web site as a source (obviously I haven't been shopping yet). Kind of pathetic when you can't trust the manufacturer's web site!
It is a big drag. I think on the GT models, Chad and I will wait until the 60" or 65" comes in to write the reveiw. Until then, the largest, most cost effective flat panel was released yesterday !!
--Chad and I had a big choice to make tonight, we ended up going with a 70" one..... >>>> Click Here
Hold on. On my ST30 I can choose between 4 or 5 different gammas, including 2.2. The GT30 doesn't offer a choice of what gamma you want to use? The only gamma option is 1.9? That doesn't sound right.
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Hold on. On my ST30 I can choose between 4 or 5 different gammas, including 2.2. The GT30 doesn't offer a choice of what gamma you want to use? The only gamma option is 1.9? That doesn't sound right.
Once you start actually measuring TVs, you find that manufacturer's claims are more like goals while looking through rose colored glasses, and their settings labels are more like Christmas wish lists...
Gamma is the exponent the TV uses to determine how much light should be coming off the screen for a given input signal. A gamma that is too low will result in an overly bright, washed out image that is lacking contrast. To see this for yourself go into your video card properties and raise the gamma slider.
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The big question for me is, has the issue regarding rising black levels in Panasonic Plasma displays been resolved with the S/G/VT30's? I guess the only way to know for sure is to wait and see. Given Panasonic's stance on the issue ("It's a feature not a bug") I personally have a hard time trusting them.
They said the 2011 models black levels won't rise after initial use. It's all been discussed a lot in the various 2011 Panasonic threads which you apparently aren't reading
. Time will tell though.
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My mistake. I was using Panasonic's web site as a source (obviously I haven't been shopping yet). Kind of pathetic when you can't trust the manufacturer's web site!
What's not to trust?? They only put up the models and sizes that are currently available. They aren't making the larger 60" and 65" STs and GTs yet, and they aren't making any VTs yet which is why they don't have them on their website. Once they are about to be released, they'll appear on their website.
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They said the 2011 models black levels won't rise after initial use. It's all been discussed a lot in the various 2011 Panasonic threads which you apparently aren't reading
I wouldn't trust d-nice's measurement yet. Even he says it might not be accurate.
The important thing is that the GT30 was measured at .0042 fL and had a visually lower MLL than the GT25 when set side by side, and the GT25 we know is .005 fL.
I don't know if firmware can fix gamma. I also don't know what Panasonic's history is for fixing things like this with firmware either.
However, this problem seems to be limited to THX. Being the owner of a G25, which I adore, until someone tells me, or I see, that theres a significant difference in shadow detail/contrast, no flashing blacks and no flashing luminance I won't believe that GT30 is worth the extra $$ when considering the ST30.
Also, I'm not convinced that there's not a set out there as good or better in the same price range when all things are considered including user tools.
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I don't know if firmware can fix gamma. I also don't know what Panasonic's history is for fixing things like this with firmware either.
However, this problem seems to be limited to THX. Being the owner of a G25, which I adore, until someone tells me, or I see, that theres a significant difference in shadow detail/contrast, no flashing blacks and no flashing luminance I won't believe that GT30 is worth the extra $$ when considering the ST30.
Also, I'm not convinced that there's not a set out there as good or better in the same price range when all things are considered including user tools.
THX and gamma being broken on just that setting is why I would optimistically think this could be adjusted. The realist sees a products release as the end of the road of a major project and the company moving to the next one without looking back in a lot of instances. Hope that is not the case!
"The important thing is that the GT30 was measured at .0042 fL and had a visually lower MLL than the GT25 when set side by side, and the GT25 we know is .005 fL."
Is there anywhere we can go to read this comparison report? thanks, j
Yep that number looks good, but if detail isn't there and/or black & color is deminished because of rising to quickly how good is that black really then? IMO performance is equally important and not only compared to the GT25 either.
I'm waiting for more information and to see the sets myself. In the meantime I'll keep my eye on what people are saying about the others. That's the good thing about these forums- reading what other people experience.
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Well the good news is that early reports indicate that the GT30's black level is a little lower than on the ST30.
I'm a little concerned about how the HDMI ports point the cables to the side which might force people to bend them sharply to keep them from being seen.
My issue with the G20 was how the HDMI ports pointed backward giving a tight snug in the back where it could damage those ports. I since have moved the TV, so I'm worried about it, but it stinks that Panasonic is not smart about port location and placing these downward.
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"The important thing is that the GT30 was measured at .0042 fL and had a visually lower MLL than the GT25 when set side by side, and the GT25 we know is .005 fL."
It's entirely possible that their GT25 accumulated enough hours since their last measurement that it had it's first programmed black level rise. They measured .003 on the GT25 a few weeks ago and now it's at .006 according to their new measurement.
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My issue with the G20 was how the HDMI ports pointed backward giving a tight snug in the back where it could damage those ports. I since have moved the TV, so I'm worried about it, but it stinks that Panasonic is not smart about port location and placing these downward.
I just purchased a P50GT25 from Costco for a great price about a week ago. I love it so far. Today the EPP Panasonic site has the P50GT30 for even cheaper (insane deal right now). I've done some research online and the only big difference I've noticed is that the P50GT30 has built in wireless.
Other than that, what are the main differences? Is it worth it return my 50GT25 TV to Costco for the newer 2011 50GT30 (plus save $100)? Is the P50GT30 a "better TV"?
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It's entirely possible that their GT25 accumulated enough hours since their last measurement that it had it's first programmed black level rise. They measured .003 on the GT25 a few weeks ago and now it's at .006 according to their new measurement.
.003 was a bogus number. GT25 is .005 and ST30 is .008.
If it had gone through the first black level rise, then it would be at least as bright as the ST30 or brighter. But in the comparison it was still visually darker than the ST30.
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