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Do both the 7000 and 8000 come with built-in wife?

God I hope not!!
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D8000 also has ARC, while the D7000 does not
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D8000 has 1,000 more D's than the D7000

I'm buying the D8000 in that case!

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LOL

Exactly. The OP is a tool. Nice of you all to reply at all.

Regarding only the aesthetics of the two; I've taken a couple of side-by-side photos of the two on the floor at Fry's. If I were in the market for one of the two I'd no doubt take the savings the D7000 offers as, from a few feet away, the bezel virtually disappears on both.

Those pictures are of the LCD/LED models, not plasma. Are you sure you meant to post those in the Plasma forum?
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+ The D8000 has what Samsung calls "micro dimming" and the D7000 does not.

Whether "micro dimming" is an advantage or not remains up to your eyes to determine.


micro dimming is only on the LED/LCD sets.

PNxxD8000
Features:
ultra-slim bezel with Touch of Color accents
tuner receives over-the-air HDTV broadcasts (antenna required)
QAM cable TV tuner receives unscrambled programs without a set-top box (cable service required)
displays 3D images when you wear Samsung's active shutter glasses with Bluetooth® (sold separately)
2D-to-3D conversion adds a 3D-like effect to non-3D video sources
600Hz Subfield HD Motion for clearer video motion
Real Black Filter for higher picture contrast and deeper black levels
25,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio
Internet-ready Smart TV plays Netflix® video and more, built-in web browser (broadband service required; subscription required for Netflix service)
built-in Wi-Fi® to link to a wireless network
AllShare video and music streaming from a DLNA-compatible Windows® PC
built-in stereo speakers (10 watts x 2)
illuminated remote control with QWERTY keyboard
Anynet+ simplifies control of compatible Samsung components via the HDMI connection (HDMI-CEC)
meets ENERGY STAR® requirements
picture settings memory for each video input


PNxxD7000
ultra-slim bezel with Touch of Color accents
tuner receives over-the-air HDTV broadcasts (antenna required)
QAM cable TV tuner receives unscrambled programs without a set-top box (cable service required)
displays 3D images when you wear Samsung's active shutter glasses with Bluetooth® (sold separately)
2D-to-3D conversion adds a 3D-like effect to non-3D video sources
600Hz Subfield HD Motion for clear video motion
Real Black Filter for high picture contrast and deep black levels
15,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio
Internet-ready Smart TV plays Netflix® video and more (broadband service required; subscription required for Netflix service)
built-in Wi-Fi® to link to a wireless network
AllShare video and music streaming from a DLNA-compatible Windows® PC
built-in stereo speakers (15 watts x 2)
illuminated remote control
Anynet+ simplifies control of compatible Samsung components via the HDMI connection (HDMI-CEC)
meets ENERGY STAR® requirements
picture settings memory for each video input
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Thank you. I edited my previous post. Yes, I was referring to the LED-LCD. Sorry for that.
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David Katzmaier relayed to me that the main cost center of the D8000 is likely the fancy remote "which doesn't perform as well as Samsung's free Android app, if you want a "smart" remote." Given that LCE's localized dynamic contrast functionality should be disabled, he says the D7000 is the better value.

If you need ARC for lossless audio from the TV (e.g., streaming MKVs through TV), that's the principal reason to step up.
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David Katzmaier relayed to me that the main cost center of the D8000 is likely the fancy remote "which doesn't perform as well as Samsung's free Android app, if you want a "smart" remote." Given that LCE's localized dynamic contrast functionality should be disabled, he says the D7000 is the better value.

If you need ARC for lossless audio from the TV (e.g., streaming MKVs through TV), that's the principal reason to step up.

Im glad I switched out my 59" D8000 for 64" D7000 It comes Monday w00t w00t.

Now i just have to figure out how im going to pay the monthly payment to keep the interest "free" for 2 years
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Possibly the LCE (Local Contrast Enhancer) on the D8000 does effect line-bleed. It's not out of the range of possibility, if the algorithm is adjusting the luminance in localized areas. Decreased line-bleed may be a side-benefit of this processing. Need more side by side comparisons to know for sure.
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Possibly the LCE (Local Contrast Enhancer) on the D8000 does effect line-bleed. It's not out of the range of possibility, if the algorithm is adjusting the luminance in localized areas. Decreased line-bleed may be a side-benefit of this processing. Need more side by side comparisons to know for sure.
It is definitely possible. Everytime I see the two sets side by side, I see marginally less line bleed in the D8000. Also it seems like the brightness fluctuation complaints are less on the D8000, but that may be coincidence on this forum.
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It is definitely possible. Everytime I see the two sets side by side, I see marginally less line bleed in the D8000. Also it seems like the brightness fluctuation complaints are less on the D8000, but that may be coincidence on this forum.

My suspicion is line bleed is influenced by picture settings and maybe the individual unit as much as anything. I'm not seeing any line bleed on this D7000 I have now.
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I wish someone could demonstrate the D8000s LCE feature by comparing high contrast scenes side-by-side with the D7000.
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A D8000 owner could demonstrate how LCE impacts PQ right now.... side-by-side shots/observations of the same image with and without dynamic contrast enabled within the MOVIE preset.
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A D8000 owner could demonstrate how LCE impacts PQ right now.... side-by-side shots/observations of the same image with and without dynamic contrast enabled within the MOVIE preset.

Many would be grateful!
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I have to admit, I like a little bit of Dynamic Contrast or LCE.

It does exactly what someone (here?) guessed it does.

It's sort of like a real time "unsharpen" mask in Photoshop. This is a low resolution photoshop example of what it looks like. Less edge enhancment then this though.





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A D8000 owner could demonstrate how LCE impacts PQ right now.... side-by-side shots/observations of the same image with and without dynamic contrast enabled within the MOVIE preset.


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That top picture definately looks better than the 2nd pic, but couldnt a D7000 do the same thing, I mean theres 3 options under Dynamic Contrast, how can we be so certain that LCE has anything to do with this difference
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Well, since we have heard different versions of what LCE is attached to, and I don't have a 7000 to compare Dynamic Contrast between the 2, I don't know what it would look like on a 7000 compared to my 8000.

Does the 7000 have the Dynamic Contrast setting?

But my example is pretty much what I see when I do Dynamic Contrast.

If you set it to it's highest setting it tends to blow out a lot of highs and lows and add what looks like to much edge enhancement.

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That top picture definately looks better than the 2nd pic, but couldnt a D7000 do the same thing, I mean theres 3 options under Dynamic Contrast, how can we be so certain that LCE has anything to do with this difference


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Well, since we have heard different versions of what LCE is attached to, and I don't have a 7000 to compare Dynamic Contrast between the 2, I don't know what it would look like on a 7000 compared to my 8000.

Does the 7000 have the Dynamic Contrast setting?

But my example is pretty much what I see when I do Dynamic Contrast.

Thanks for your example, I would think the d7000 has dynamic contrast, i know the d6500 did
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The D7000 has a dynamic contrast setting (off/low/med/high). It makes inanimate objects look sharp but destroys flesh tones. I had it off on my C7000 and it remains off on the D7000.

LCE is folded into the D8000 PDP's dynamic contrast setting according to Samsung managers. The algorithm is borrowed functionality from the D8000 LED/LCD.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20387548
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The D7000 has a dynamic contrast setting (off/low/med/high). It makes inanimate objects look sharp but destroys flesh tones. I had it off on my C7000 and it remains off on the D7000.

LCE is folded into the D8000 PDP's dynamic contrast setting according to Samsung managers. The algorithm is borrowed functionality from the D8000 LED/LCD.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20387548

Right and he said its something you would want to turn off
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Right and he said its something you would want to turn off

More accurately, I think he said it's something a persnickety videophile would probably turn off. He didn't say it was useless.
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More accurately, I think he said it's something a persnickety videophile would probably turn off. He didn't say it was useless.

LOL i know im just trying to justify to myself not waiting and spending the extra $400 for the d8000
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I'm more curious than before to hear from (better yet, see) the difference with and without the setting that turns it on/off, as koffas describes above.
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I have decided to go with a 51" Samsung 3D Plasma, but which one?:

D550 at $900
D6500 at $1000
D7000 at $1300 (with Real Black Filter)
D8000 at $1600 (with Real Black Filter and Local Contrast Enhancer)

I already have AppleTV, so I don't need the web browsing capablitity. So the question is this: "is it worth the extra money for the Real Black Filter and/or the Local Contrast Enhancer?" Anybody compare these features?
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It is definitely possible. Everytime I see the two sets side by side, I see marginally less line bleed in the D8000. Also it seems like the brightness fluctuation complaints are less on the D8000, but that may be coincidence on this forum.

Some sets have line bleed and others don't. Go to a different store using different TV's than what you have been looking at. Some TV's have it some don't. It's pretty much luck of the draw. I have a D7000 and do not have line bleed.
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