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post #5671 of 6439 Old 02-24-2012, 09:47 PM
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I'm not a big hockey fan, but watched my first Blues game on my 65vt30 last night. During fast camera pans, when the puck was shot down the ice, I noticed a ghosting effect on the blue lines and at times around the players (almost like a faint double image). Does anyone else notice this while watching hockey. This probably happens only 20% of the time, but it's noticeable when it does.

My 52" Sony LCD exhibits severe blurring during hockey motion, while the Panny Plasma has this ghosting. Is hockey just a tough sport for flat panels, due to rapid motion?

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it all depends on weather its 720p or 1080i

its probably 1080i but if its 720p then it shouldnt do that unless its not really 720p but your box is changing it to that or maybe the provider is turning 1080i into 720p because of some reason

but usually sports and anything with fast motion looks better in 720p then 1080i - now 1080p that would probably look better but I bet its just 1080i ran through a processor to make it 1080p


I have the DVDO VP-50 and it basically makes everything look better, even an Nintendo Wii - Jay Adelson from Revision 3 actually sold his house because the person who came to look at it couldnt believe that an Nintendo Wii could look that good and when he said it all comes with the house they were sold right there, lol - he mentioned this a few times to friends and it was also on video a couple of times from shows he does and taking about products

the VP-50 is older now there are newer ones but its still the same great processing, everyone should have one IMO after seeing what it does there is no way I can watch normal TV without it, it even does a good job with blu rays but they are usually already perfect so not much is needed

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The Blues Hockey Game was broadcast in 720p. I tried outputting it in both 720p and 1080i from my Directv HDDVR. It made no difference in terms of the trailing effect during fast camera pans. Motion did look smoother in 720p, but it didn't effect what I'm describing.

I also tried using a new Pioneer Elite Audio Receiver (VS-52, I believe), with Marvel Video Processing. That also made no difference. From the responses and looking at other Plasmas displaying Hockey during fast camera pans, I've concluded it's just the way it is.

Do you use your video processor now on your VT30? Thanks

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Change the setting to 1080p even if u already have, the screen will flash and you'll get to choose keep this or go to 50hz or some siht like that, don't remember but will check later. If you choose yes it will go to 50hz if I remember correctly, u do not want that sir.

I have no issues in BF3 multiplayer or Mass Effect 2. Btw I can now game endlessly lolol! Will be interesting to see how long term static things will affect my tv though, like fifa huds and stuff.

I have the original Xbox 360 that doesn't have HDMI. It can. It do 1080p over component (or the tv can't accept it) When i try, the screen goes black. Anyway, most games are fine, but in skyrim it is def noticeable.
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The Blues Hockey Game was broadcast in 720p. I tried outputting it in both 720p and 1080i from my Directv HDDVR. It made no difference in terms of the trailing effect during fast camera pans. Motion did look smoother in 720p, but it didn't effect what I'm describing.

Often, with sports events, the problem is either at the venue end or the uplink to the network. They may have limited bandwidth available and are forced to use excessive compression (and much of what is being complained about sounds like that is the case).

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Anyone recommend some good 3d settings? I have my tv calibrated but I'm not happy with the 3d settings, there is something that just doesn't look good about it, kind of a dull washed out picture.
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I have used the search function for this forum and HDJ forum with no 3D settings suggested for the VT30. Anyone?
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I have used the search function for this forum and HDF forum with nothing really suggested for the VT30. Anyone?

What 3d glasses are you using?
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Panasonic and PS3 glasses.
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Interesting...

I haven't really tried watching hockey on it yet but I'm an avid hockey fan and this is definitely important to me.

Have you used your video processor on the VT30 and has that fixed the issue?

I've been under the impression that a TV of this quality should be capable of that on its own but hey... whatever works.

I've been having issues with gaming and have narrowed it down to this: games that play at 60 frames per second (MW3 for example) look amazing. Games that play at anything less look like crap because of the judder and screen tearing that occurs during motions at moderate speeds.

Do you... or anyone else... know if using this would fix it? Has anyone had any experiences using the DVDO Edge Green processor with a VT30? I'm wondering if this would work well with games under 60fps but then be counter productive to signals that are already 60 frames. I'm very satisfied with how MW3 looks and wouldn't want to compromise that.
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Even with that, I do see the "screen door effect" and other issues people have noted. (In an a/b comparision, they are much less noticable with the 151FD but are still present--I suspect this is apparently an inherent limitation with plasma technology--someone please correct me if I'm wrong)

Screen door effect is a function of screen size, resolution, the viewer's eye sight, and how far the viewer is from the screen.

With vision corrected to 20/20 I stop seeing pixel boundaries at about four feet on a 60" Kuro. Signal strength shouldn't effect screen door effect. Watching a 60" screen from 4' or less is probably not the norm.
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Screen door effect is a function of screen size, resolution, the viewer's eye sight, and how far the viewer is from the screen.

With vision corrected to 20/20 I stop seeing pixel boundaries at about four feet on a 60" Kuro. Signal strength shouldn't effect screen door effect. Watching a 60" screen from 4' or less is probably not the norm.

Thanks for the correction htwaits--I misspoke. I should have said I see the dirty screen effect while watching hockey as opposed to screen door effect even when using the VT30's video processing.
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Has anyone had issues with getting their camera to work? Just got the GT31 two weeks ago, came with the TY-CC10W camera. Went to try it by caaling my brother. Got the audio both ways no problem, saw him on his I-Pad, but he couldn't see me.

Do I have to have the Viera Link "register" my camera? The Skype dmanual was worthless, and the Panasonic manual said to put camera in "register" mode? What the heck is that?

Help!
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I have used the search function for this forum and HDJ forum with no 3D settings suggested for the VT30. Anyone?

Found a starting place for 3D settings on HDJ forum for the ST30 (credit to zeuss49):

Picture: Custom (need to change settings while viewing 3d content)
Contrast: 81
Brightness: 58
Color: 53
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Temp: Warm2
Photo Enchnc: off
CATS: off
N/R: off

Colorspace: Normal
All color controls 0
Black Ext: 0
Gamma: 2.2
Panel Bright: Mid
Contour: off
AGC: 0

Advanced:
Block: off
Mosquito: off
Black Level: Light
3:2 Pull Down: Auto

James Cameron's settings for VT25:
Contrast: +95
Brightness: +58
Color: +32
Sharpness: +20

Color temp: Warm2
Video NR: Off
Blur reduction: Off

WB high R: +10
WB high B: -5
WB low R: +2
WB low B: +1

Gamma Adjustment: 2.4
Panel Brightness: High
AGC: 0
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aren't those settings for VT25? I have 55VT30?

it was created for vt25. i found the setting works great on my 65 vt30. only need to follow the step 4 of the vt25. try it and see, what are you going to lose?
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I keep posting on this forum one day saying the PQ is awesome the next day saying it sucks. Out of sheer desperation I decided to purchase a Sony XBR 929 LED to compare too.. perhaps I like that pop/brightness of an LED after all.. I'll post my comparison results. Gaming on the VT30 just doesn't do it for me, the PQ is so dull no matter if I use custom or game mode. I think the one thing that I just hate about tvs these days are the amount of settings.. it drives one crazy.
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I keep posting on this forum one day saying the PQ is awesome the next day saying it sucks. Out of sheer desperation I decided to purchase a Sony XBR 929 LED to compare too.. perhaps I like that pop/brightness of an LED after all.. I'll post my comparison results. Gaming on the VT30 just doesn't do it for me, the PQ is so dull no matter if I use custom or game mode. I think the one thing that I just hate about tvs these days are the amount of settings.. it drives one crazy.
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Gaming on this tv is farrrrrrrrrrrrrr from dull on Custom and Game Mode

I use custom and it would be hard for any tv to top the greatness that I get with gaming
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I keep posting on this forum one day saying the PQ is awesome the next day saying it sucks. Out of sheer desperation I decided to purchase a Sony XBR 929 LED to compare too.. perhaps I like that pop/brightness of an LED after all.. I'll post my comparison results. Gaming on the VT30 just doesn't do it for me, the PQ is so dull no matter if I use custom or game mode. I think the one thing that I just hate about tvs these days are the amount of settings.. it drives one crazy.
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Hi, Mo:

Just for fun, I reviewed most of your posts in this thread--you've certainly shown a lot of patience with your VT30, but what stands out is how much you aren't truly satisfied with it.

If you like vivid pictures, in a head to head, the 929 wins hands down. It's a great TV and plasmas just aren't for everyone.

Honestly, if I were in your shoes, I'd sell the VT30 and keep the Sony because I suspect unless you do that, you'll never be satisfied.

PS: I sincerely mean no disrespect with my remarks--I just hate so see folks trying to convince themselves to be happy with a display they really don't love.
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I have had my DNice calibrated 65VT30 for over two months and i am very happy with the pic. Still not like my Kuro was, but i can live with it.

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After a lot of research and trying several different TV's I finally settled on the P65VT30 ( my first plasma ever) and love it. I have had it for about two weeks and just the other day I noticed line bleed when a guy was standing next to some blinds while watching cable tv. Now I notice it all the time when there is any type of stripes, lines, or text on a lite background and it bothers the crap out of me since I paid $3000 for this tv. is this a common issue with all Plasma Tv's or did I just get a bad one?
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Hi, I just got the new 65", and have noticed (in all hdmi inputs - new Motorola cable box, series 3 TiVo, Xbox 360, and ps3) that in all of the blacks, there is significant green and red artifacts that you can only see when up close to the TV. When you're 8 feet back at viewing distance, you can't see it. I don't think this can be right, I've had several plasma displays, back to the first ever Panasonic 65" (that cost me $10k, gotta love moores law). I just want to see if anybody else saw anything like this or did I just get a defective display. Thanks in advance for any help. Robby

Ps- apple tv (fed through component) has the same issue so I don't think it is an hdmi cable issue.
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Hi, I just got the new 65", and have noticed (in all hdmi inputs - new Motorola cable box, series 3 TiVo, Xbox 360, and ps3) that in all of the blacks, there is significant green and red artifacts that you can only see when up close to the TV. When you're 8 feet back at viewing distance, you can't see it. I don't think this can be right, I've had several plasma displays, back to the first ever Panasonic 65" (that cost me $10k, gotta love moores law). I just want to see if anybody else saw anything like this or did I just get a defective display. Thanks in advance for any help. Robby

Ps- apple tv (fed through component) has the same issue so I don't think it is an hdmi cable issue.

I've noticed that on mine and think its the pixel orbiting feature. I currently have it disabled and don't notice it anymore. hope that helps
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After a lot of research and trying several different TV's I finally settled on the P65VT30 ( my first plasma ever) and love it. I have had it for about two weeks and just the other day I noticed line bleed when a guy was standing next to some blinds while watching cable tv. Now I notice it all the time when there is any type of stripes, lines, or text on a lite background and it bothers the crap out of me since I paid $3000 for this tv. is this a common issue with all Plasma Tv's or did I just get a bad one?
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Yes this is the nature of Plasma. After owning a Sony 52" LCD the last 3 years, the Panny 65vt30 is my first Plasma. IMHO, all the other superior PQ elements of this plasma vastly outweigh the line bleed. I'd estimate I only notice 3% of the time in normal viewing. The contrast, dark blacks, shadow detail and realistic colors are top notch...out-performing and LED on the market I've seen. The line bleed is a plasma tradeoff, I think is worth it compared to all the other benefits. If you want a great TV for movies, this plasma is it. If you want a good computer monitor, go with a LCD with no line bleed.

Ultimately, us perfectionists must accept that there's no perfect display. I know it's hard to accept. My Sony LCD has noticeable banding and non uniform backligthing, not to mention inferior blacks and shadow detail. Sometimes I wish I wasn't so OCD over PQ....but the Panny 65vt30 is definitely a TV that's as close to perfect as it gets IMHO.

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Gaming on this tv is farrrrrrrrrrrrrr from dull on Custom and Game Mode

I use custom and it would be hard for any tv to top the greatness that I get with gaming


what system / games are you playing? Mine looks like crap with both my PS3 and 360 with any games that play at less than 60 frames per second and I still haven't found a fix. Unacceptable judder and some screen tearing.

Games like MW3 look freakin amazing but Skyrim looks like crap. Have you found a fix I'm unaware of or does the judder not bother you?
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I have had my DNice calibrated 65VT30 for over two months and i am very happy with the pic. Still not like my Kuro was, but i can live with it.

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It was calibrated by me

Then I've included his "report" as Part II in the flat panel list linked in my signature.

I'm afraid to ask what happened to his Kuro.
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Then I've included his "report" as Part II in the flat panel list linked in my signature.

I'm afraid to ask what happened to his Kuro.

Its resides with me now
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Does anyone know the weight of this TV? My tv stand can only take upto 105 pounds plus I am not sure if my fireplace can take their weight. Stand itself is 30 pounds.
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Its resides with me now

As in "disappeared into a Kuro hole in space".
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Does anyone know the weight of this TV? My tv stand can only take upto 105 pounds plus I am not sure if my fireplace can take their weight. Stand itself is 30 pounds.

The 65" is 140 lbs.

So my TV is coming this Tuesday, hopefully in one piece. Anything wrong with trying out the 3D right away or watching a whole 2-hour movie in 3D?
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Does anyone know the weight of this TV? My tv stand can only take upto 105 pounds plus I am not sure if my fireplace can take their weight. Stand itself is 30 pounds.

Don't risk it!! The 65" is one heavy SOB!!
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