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Sorry, but none of those are "significant cons".

1) seems to be occurring less severely and frequently than in the past. Yes, it should be never, but it appears tamed.

2) it's a plasma (quite frankly LCDs do this too).

3) don't use THX mode then.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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3 significant cons from AVForums review (UK version of the VT30)

1) There are the occasional instances of brightness fluctuations seen on the VT30.

2) The VT30 does at times suffer from drawbacks of the technology such as some posterisation and banding with strong single coloured backgrounds.

3) It has to be said that the THX standards usually insist on a 2.2 gamma curve for certification, so we are surprised that the VT30 gamma is so low in THX mode. It is tracking at around 1.9/2.0, for the majority, and we would ideally like to see this closer to a 2.2 curve. What this results in is a slightly washed out image that may well suit a bright room environment, but which will produce washed out results in a dimly lit environment. This is not quite ideal and in the THX mode there is no way to correct the gamma curve (there are no options for gamma settings)."

Again with the VT30 thread-crapping?? Didn't you get your ya-ya's off in the other VT30 thread??

Please explain why you are in both threads cherry-picking only the negatives from the review while not posting the positives. You don't seem to do this in the Samsung threads, only Panasonic threads.

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3 significant cons from AVForums review (UK version of the VT30)

1) There are the occasional instances of brightness fluctuations seen on the VT30.

2) The VT30 does at times suffer from drawbacks of the technology such as some posterisation and banding with strong single coloured backgrounds.

3) It has to be said that the THX standards usually insist on a 2.2 gamma curve for certification, so we are surprised that the VT30 gamma is so low in THX mode. It is tracking at around 1.9/2.0, for the majority, and we would ideally like to see this closer to a 2.2 curve. What this results in is a slightly washed out image that may well suit a bright room environment, but which will produce washed out results in a dimly lit environment. This is not quite ideal and in the THX mode there is no way to correct the gamma curve (there are no options for gamma settings)."

The reviewer gushes all over this TV and says that any defects are extremely MINOR.

The calibration report from David Mackenzie in that review looks amazing. It looked like a Kuro calibration report. Color points bang on, ruler flat gamma, luminance outstanding.

Basically if you are a perfectionist then this TV is not for you. Neither is any other 2011 TV.
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the reviewer gushes all over this tv and says that any defects are extremely minor.

The calibration report from david mackenzie in that review looks amazing. It looked like a kuro calibration report. Color points bang on, ruler flat gamma, luminance outstanding.

Basically if you are a perfectionist then this tv is not for you. Neither is any other 2011 tv.

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Again with the VT30 thread-crapping?? Didn't you get your ya-ya's off in the other VT30 thread??

Some people. Sheesh

The OP posted a link to a good review, and I wanted to address the only cons that where talked about in the review. It was not that hard to do because there where so few cons.

I would like very much to own a VT30 and would be my first pick. And from the review it looks like the VT30 is worth the extra money over the GT30. I just don't think it should be THX certified because the Gama is off a lot. All though you do have the option of not using the THX and doing some type of calibration. But the other two cons CAN NOT be corrected and buyers should know about them and then they can decide how significant they are.

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The reviewer gushes all over this TV and says that any defects are extremely MINOR.

The calibration report from David Mackenzie in that review looks amazing. It looked like a Kuro calibration report. Color points bang on, ruler flat gamma, luminance outstanding.

Basically if you are a perfectionist then this TV is not for you. Neither is any other 2011 TV.

+1

Or any TV period, no such thing as a perfect display

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Or any TV period, no such thing as a perfect display

Except of course the Kuros, those are perfect.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Nope, not even those.......the closest to perfect as possible, but still not.

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Except of course the Kuros, those are perfect.

trust me, even the kuros are not perfect, but it's flaws may be less noticeable. Although the dirty screen effect would bother me for sure. I am torn between the Samsung 59D8000 and Panny 55VT30 as well. I think the processing in Sammy would be better but Panny would prevail in accuracy, contrast and blacks. Sammy is 4 more inches for the same price, so that is significant.
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trust me, even the kuros are not perfect, but it's flaws may be less noticeable. Although the dirty screen effect would bother me for sure. I am torn between the Samsung 59D8000 and Panny 55VT30 as well. I think the processing in Sammy would be better but Panny would prevail in accuracy, contrast and blacks. Sammy is 4 more inches for the same price, so that is significant.

Samsung having "better processing" was the conventional wisdom (and oft-repeated by the AVS echo chamber) last year, but professional reviews (largely of EU models, still) indicate the VT30 has improved significantly in many of these areas. It's an open question that I hope many of the head-to-head reviewers and shootout attendees pay very close attention to.

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Except of course the Kuros, those are perfect.

Shame on you Rogo. Don't tease the tigers.

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Samsung having "better processing" was the conventional wisdom (and oft-repeated by the AVS echo chamber) last year, but professional reviews (largely of EU models, still) indicate the VT30 has improved significantly in many of these areas. It's an open question that I hope many of the head-to-head reviewers and shootout attendees pay very close attention to.

Well, the fact that contouring/banding while reduced being still there is a concern. Last year the 96Hz contouring was severe enough for me. Even it is reduced by 50%, it would probably bother me. Not that the Sammy does not have its own issues.
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Except of course the Kuros, those are perfect.


Now that is funny! (Is it true that owners of Kuros name their first born Kuro?)
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Now that is funny! (Is it true that owners of Kuros name their first born Kuro?)

No. That's the middle name. First name is usually "Perfect" or something similar.
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Except of course the Kuros, those are perfect.

No. They are just better than any of the currently available flat panels.


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Apparently, I forgot my /sarcasm tags on my post. Sorry!

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Apparently, I forgot my /sarcasm tags on my post. Sorry!

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Please explain why you are in both threads cherry-picking only the negatives from the review while not posting the positives.

I am picking only the negatives because it's important that people know the cons before purchasing the TV. I did not post the positives because there are to many to list! (i don't have the time).

I should also mention that the black levels are not significantly better than the VT20/25 from 2011. thanks for reminding me Randy!
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Didn't you get your ya-ya's off in the other VT30 thread?? Some people. Sheesh


NO, I did not in anyway shape or form get my ya, ya's off in the other VT30 thread. I know you would like me to react in a way that might get me banned from AVS or my comments deleted. Nice Try Randy... but I will not bite.

I like to point out the cons in any TV that I am interested in, and would like to know exactly how bad they really are. So posting the Cons not only informs new buyers... but it also may bring out more information for each con.
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Samsung having "better processing" was the conventional wisdom (and oft-repeated by the AVS echo chamber) last year, but professional reviews (largely of EU models, still) indicate the VT30 has improved significantly in many of these areas. It's an open question that I hope many of the head-to-head reviewers and shootout attendees pay very close attention to.

Some of those European reviews praised the processing on the Panasonics last year as well. But the processing on the N.A. models clearly sucked. The processing is different on the Euro models, and cannot be equated with the processing on the N.A. models.

Notwithstanding, I think CNET is more impressed with the processing this year on the North American models than last year. They said last year's was the worst processing they had seen on any recent HDTV they had tested.

Nothing like that in this year's reviews.
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any info on the 85" VT30 yet? expected price. release?
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As far as I know, there is no such thing. Certainly it was not shown or described at CES. There might be a successor to the VX200 (is that the current high end one?) coming.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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any info on the 85" VT30 yet? expected price. release?
Nothing of the sort has ever been announced. There is an 85 as part of the professional series not mean for consumers (I think it is the vx200 series and is very expensive).


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I know nothing has been officially announced, that's why i was checking in to see if someone has heard anything.

There was an article a while back in a Russian site claiming the TX-P85VT30 was coming in fall. Would love to see something like that below $10k
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That model 85VT30 has a problem with Red Push.
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I know nothing has been officially announced, that's why i was checking in to see if someone has heard anything.

There was an article a while back in a Russian site claiming the TX-P85VT30 was coming in fall. Would love to see something like that below $10k

Maybe it will available in Europe, not for under 10K I am sure. In fact the new TH-85VX200U is over 30K, out and about across the US .......

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