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I just watched in THX mode without making any changes to contrast or brightness, and have had absolutey no problems. IMO, this break-in is overdone and not necessary with today's plasmas. Just use common sense (avoid hours and hours at a time of gaming, static logos, and black bars on the sides for the 1st 100 hours, i.e., just vary your viewing).

That may be true....But Panny also recommends being careful in their manual..
For the money paid for this great set,I wanted the peace of mind in taking every precaution....If,I did not,and something nasty happened,I would have had a hard time forgiving myself.....and probably never gotten full forgiveness from my wife... to whom I assured,the price would justify the performance...One week of being careful was a small price to pay,in my case for that assurance....Just saying
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any info on this?

HTM measured the GT30 as .008 ft-l and the VT30 as .006 ft-l.
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HTM measured the GT30 as .008 ft-l and the VT30 as .006 ft-l.

The lowest measurement I've seen reported was .0035fL for a D-Nice calibrated 65" VT30. I don't know exactly what the 55" measures but I did see one in a dark room and the blacks really did not look very dark when compared to my 101fd.

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The lowest measurement I've seen reported was .0035fL for a D-Nice calibrated 65" VT30. I don't know exactly what the 55" measures but I did see one in a dark room and the blacks really did not look very dark when compared to my 101fd.

55s measure around 0.0043fL. The lowest 65" I've measured is 0.0033fL. 60 and 65" ST/GTs measure between 0.0036fL and 0.004fL.
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How do you get to the service menu on the VT30? I tried the V- on the side of the TV and hitting 0 three times on the remote and it did not work for me. I had my A-board replaced for a non-FBR reason and I want to see if I have the update.
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55s measure around 0.0043fL. The lowest 65" I've measured is 0.0033fL. 60 and 65" ST/GTs measure between 0.0036fL and 0.004fL.

Thanks for the input it is always appreciated. This is interesting I always thought that the VT30 had the deepest blacks regardless of size. Are you suggesting that the larger Panasonics all have about the same black level regardless of model?

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55s measure around 0.0043fL. The lowest 65" I've measured is 0.0033fL. 60 and 65" ST/GTs measure between 0.0036fL and 0.004fL.

thanks D-NICE. so it looks like those levels across the board are not that far apart comparing a st, gt to a vt series using the same size panels in the comparison. I have a 8g I would like to replace as my living room display wanting to go to a bigger than 50 inch size.


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The lowest measurement I've seen reported was .0035fL for a D-Nice calibrated 65" VT30. I don't know exactly what the 55" measures but I did see one in a dark room and the blacks really did not look very dark when compared to my 101fd.

Thanks Calvin35 for the info.

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55s measure around 0.0043fL. The lowest 65" I've measured is 0.0033fL. 60 and 65" ST/GTs measure between 0.0036fL and 0.004fL.

That's wild. I don't know why they'd have the blacks the same on all 3 sets. Might upgrade my ST to a larger size now that FBr will be a thing of the past on newer production models.

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55s measure around 0.0043fL. The lowest 65" I've measured is 0.0033fL. 60 and 65" ST/GTs measure between 0.0036fL and 0.004fL.

D-NICE,
Would I get the same picture quality from a 60gt30 compared to a 55vt30 out of the box taking into consideration that the black levels of the gt30 are at worst equal to the 55vt30?

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D-NICE,
Would I get the same picture quality from a 60gt30 compared to a 55vt30 out of the box taking into consideration that the black levels of the gt30 are at worst equal to the 55vt30?

Out of the box? Probably. Post calibration, no as the VT would be better.
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Out of the box? Probably. Post calibration, no as the VT would be better.

Do the black levels OOTB start higher and slowly lower like CNET indicated? It seems like their readings are off.

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Out of the box? Probably. Post calibration, no as the VT would be better.

Thank you D-NICE FOR THAT INFO. I have heard the vt30 has not been able to get a great calibration since there has been some issues. Has there been some sort of fix so now the vt30 can be calibrated better?

Also since the GT30 does not have ISF MODES is it really worth calibrating it?
Hope that doesnt sound like to stupid of a question?

On a side not to you. I live in the greater Seattle Washington area and was wondering if you ever make it out this way? I have a PRO-111 with around 800 hours on it that I would like calibrated.

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Do the black levels OOTB start higher and slowly lower like CNET indicated?

No.
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Thank you D-NICE FOR THAT INFO. I have heard the vt30 has not been able to get a great calibration since there has been some issues.

The performance post cal is dependent on the calibrator. The VT30 has color decoding issues in all video modes (including THX) pre and post cal, but can be "visually" reduced to almost nill (except) blue if and only if you know what you are doing. The same thing can be said about grayscale and gamma.

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Also since the GT30 does not have ISF MODES is it really worth calibrating it?

Yes (in THX only).

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I'm working on a tour as we speak. Hopefully I can swing through before Winter.
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Are you suggesting that the larger Panasonics all have about the same black level regardless of model?

From what I've measured yes. However, the poor gamma on the ST and GTs will make the picture look less dynamic compared to the VT30s.
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The performance post cal is dependent on the calibrator. The VT30 has color decoding issues in all video modes (including THX) pre and post cal, but can be "visually" reduced to almost nill (except) blue if and only if you know what you are doing. The same thing can be said about grayscale and gamma.

Yes (in THX only).

I'm working on a tour as we speak. Hopefully I can swing through before Winter.

Great information to have from you on the calibration stuff.

How would I contact you for a calibration in the Seattle area?

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Great information to have from you on the calibration stuff.

How would I contact you for a calibration in the Seattle area?

PM me as my email server is currently... shall we say sick?
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ok guys i need your help, how bad is the fbr if i'm watching during the day and at night if i have some lights on. i do not ever watch movies in a cave. do you think i would see the fbr in these conditions? yes, i am aware of the fbr fix, but geez by a tv and right away have to make a service call...yikes...

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From what I've measured yes. However, the poor gamma on the ST and GTs will make the picture look less dynamic compared to the VT30s.

Wow, sounds like the 65" ST30 and external VP would save quite a bit over a VT30.

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From what I've measured yes. However, the poor gamma on the ST and GTs will make the picture look less dynamic compared to the VT30s.

Even after calibration the st/gt have poor gamma?

How is the gamma on the vt30 pre and post calibration?

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ok guys i need your help, how bad is the fbr if i'm watching during the day and at night if i have some lights on. i do not ever watch movies in a cave. do you think i would see the fbr in these conditions?

I have not read a lot of discussion about the optimal conditions for seeing FBr. It seems like it might be more noticeable under optimal viewing conditions, since one tends to see everything better under optimal conditions. But if you have a set that has it bad, and you watch the type of material that seems to generate it the most (BD media seem to produce it more than satellite, for example), and you are the type to notice it, then it would seem you'll notice it whether you're watching during the day or the night.

OTOH, some sets don't seem to have it as bad or to any noticeable degree, and some people appear to be much less sensitive to it or are not bothered by it (or don't obsess with actively looking for it). This means that that is really no way to tell in advance whether you will be bothered by FBr or to what degree. Again, it depends on whether you get a set with noticeable FBr and, if so, whether it bothers you with the material you usually watch in your typical viewing environment.

It kind of reminds me somewhat of the old discussion regarding rainbows on DLP projectors. If someone asked, "Will rainbows bother me if I buy a DLP projector," the answer would be, "Maybe yes, maybe no."
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From what I've measured yes. However, the poor gamma on the ST and GTs will make the picture look less dynamic compared to the VT30s.

I thought the gamma was near 2.2 for the ST(depending on some settings) and that the GT had more gamma problems from your recommended settings.

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The performance post cal is dependent on the calibrator. The VT30 has color decoding issues in all video modes (including THX) pre and post cal, but can be "visually" reduced to almost nill (except) blue if and only if you know what you are doing. The same thing can be said about grayscale and gamma.

Yes (in THX only).

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If calibrated in THX mode, the GT should look better than the ST and have lower black level too, correct?

Is there anything about the GT that makes it inferior to the ST? ....in light of the gamma issues. I wonder if the gamma issues of the GT are "worse" than those of the ST.
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ok guys i need your help, how bad is the fbr if i'm watching during the day and at night if i have some lights on. i do not ever watch movies in a cave. do you think i would see the fbr in these conditions? yes, i am aware of the fbr fix, but geez by a tv and right away have to make a service call...yikes...

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OTOH, some sets don't seem to have it as bad or to any noticeable degree, and some people appear to be much less sensitive to it or are not bothered by it (or don't obsess with actively looking for it). This means that that is really no way to tell in advance whether you will be bothered by FBr or to what degree. Again, it depends on whether you get a set with noticeable FBr and, if so, whether it bothers you with the material you usually watch in your typical viewing environment.

It kind of reminds me somewhat of the old discussion regarding rainbows on DLP projectors. If someone asked, "Will rainbows bother me if I buy a DLP projector," the answer would be, "Maybe yes, maybe no."

^^^ Exactly. This.

I'll freely admit I'm no videophile and it very well might be there (probably is), but I haven't seen anything at all I'd consider unusual or like the video examples I've seen of FBr on my 55VT30 (May build). I can't say it doesn't exist, but I haven't seen it yet. I had a DLP prior to this and never saw any rainbow effects with that set.

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Even after calibration the st/gt have poor gamma?

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How is the gamma on the vt30 pre and post calibration?

flat with whatever gamma target is chosen.
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I thought the gamma was near 2.2 for the ST(depending on some settings) and that the GT had more gamma problems from your recommended settings.

You only get a flat 2.2 gamma with non standard windowed patterns.
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