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SD looks crappy on my 65VT30... It sucks because my Indian channels are only broadcast in SD right now!!! So, I watch'em on the HX929 instead

HD is gorgeous... and BR blows me away!

As it gets darker.. the PQ on the Plasma makes me wanna hump it!!

Ok.. I said too much!
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SD looks crappy on my 65VT30... It sucks because my Indian channels are only broadcast in SD right now!!! So, I watch'em on the HX929 instead

HD is gorgeous... and BR blows me away!

As it gets darker.. the PQ on the Plasma makes me wanna hump it!!

Ok.. I said too much!

LOL. Sir Hump a lot. Who watches SD anyway? I can't even watch DVD anymore. I should have my new VT 65 next week. So long LED!

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I'd like to see a review of these TV's in a normally light living room setting, your probly only gonna notice the difference in a pitch black room and most people don't watch in a pitch black room.
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I got my 65ST30 at a bargain price from Amazon (<1600) a couple of weeks back. I love my set when I watch HD channels, HD DVD and Bluray but my standard channels look washed out, should I expect this in ST30.
Should I return this and get a 2012 ST50 model instead, any suggestions... or any tweaks to improve upon.

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I think you need to say what the SD source is. Some SD can look pretty good (DVD, some Netflix SD widescreen) - others (DirecTV and probably many others) well not so much.

That said washed out sounds like a color space issue - they are different between SD and HD (but that should be sorted in the playback device) - so understanding what your source is will help people comment.
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I think you need to say what the SD source is. Some SD can look pretty good (DVD, some Netflix SD widescreen) - others (DirecTV and probably many others) well not so much.

That said washed out sounds like a color space issue - they are different between SD and HD (but that should be sorted in the playback device) - so understanding what your source is will help people comment.

My bad, you are right my standard DVD looks clean but my dish network SD channels look dull and washed out. The HD channels look awesome and not sure how to improve the SD channel viewing, that said I have limited HD on dish and rest is SD.

Any suggestions to improve will be great, still I feel my 65ST30 purchase is worth every penny and love the TV so far.

thank you 'undecided'
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Reason why SD channels look bad on cable is b/c they've been digitized, I bet old school analog would probly look better then SD Digitized cable.
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http://s77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...t=c8b3b997.jpg

Heres an old school Viera 480p Plasma for u guys. About to join the lineup: 65VT30

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lol 480p. Why would anyone even get a 480p back in the day, I waited my ass off lol.
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**** that was top of the line back then! Actually i think it does 720

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Heres an old school Viera 480p Plasma for u guys. About to join the lineup: 65VT30

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I had the same musings....

Someone mentioned that the VT30 uses more of the old Kuro technology, but then 2 people said that's debatable at best. The VT30's don't even appear to have a dedicated page on panny's site.

well the funny thing is that it doesent use anything from the kuro's that it should have

while this is about 2011 not 2012 I dont think its in the 2012 line either

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20034816-1.html

I simply dont understand, i still have my 111FD Kuro and my friend just got a 65VT30 and its good but while still not totally broken in yet its not looking as good through my Minolta LS-100 and CS-200 meters as my 2+ year old Elite does

I want the retro skin back please
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The VT30's don't even appear to have a dedicated page on panny's site.

Sure they do.
http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65VT30

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Need a bit of help upgrading my 50GT25 to a bigger 65.

My GT performs well enough except that a bigger picture would help for 3D. There also seems to be something missing in the 3D performance when compared to a VT25 I saw.

My question is, does the VT30 have any feature that makes its 3D performance significantly better than the GT30?
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Need a bit of help upgrading my 50GT25 to a bigger 65.

My GT performs well enough except that a bigger picture would help for 3D. There also seems to be something missing in the 3D performance when compared to a VT25 I saw.

My question is, does the VT30 have any feature that makes its 3D performance significantly better than the GT30?

Why not jump to a 2012 model ? ST50 compares pretty favorably to last years VT30

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Why not jump to a 2012 model ? ST50 compares pretty favorably to last years VT30

Yes, from the reviews it sounds like the ST50 is a winner picture quality. However there is hardly any discussion on 3D handling and that is my main concern - Does the VT have any 3D magic that the others don't?

I don't want to stretch to a VT30, but want to be sure I'm not missing out on any significant 3D features that the VT might have.
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Yes, from the reviews it sounds like the ST50 is a winner picture quality. However there is hardly any discussion on 3D handling and that is my main concern - Does the VT have any 3D magic that the others don't?

I don't want to stretch to a VT30, but want to be sure I'm not missing out on any significant 3D features that the VT might have.

I had the GT25 set now have last years ST30, my impression was the 3d improved from 2010 to 2011, so one could make the same assumption for the 2012 models I would think. The VT's advantages would be primarily in black level but I dont think the difference is significant when comparing to the ST50. Other than the 96hz processing I wouldnt think there would be much of a differance 3d wise. That probably wouldnt even be a factor. You might pose your question on the VT30 thread to get some more feedback. IMO all the factors that you would consider for a great 2d picture carry over to 3d. Motion handling, blacks, greyscale, color accuracy are all improved in the 2012 models from everything I have read.

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Thanks chunon. Let me go ahead and post in the 3D section (Just found it).
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Yes, from the reviews it sounds like the ST50 is a winner picture quality. However there is hardly any discussion on 3D handling and that is my main concern - Does the VT have any 3D magic that the others don't?

I don't want to stretch to a VT30, but want to be sure I'm not missing out on any significant 3D features that the VT might have.





Yes, the Vt30 is 3DTHX certified. You can watch 3D movies in full THX mode. The ST50 does not have the 3D THX. Plus the ST50 does not have RS232 port and all the hardware.

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Yes, from the reviews it sounds like the ST50 is a winner picture quality. However there is hardly any discussion on 3D handling and that is my main concern - Does the VT have any 3D magic that the others don't?

I don't want to stretch to a VT30, but want to be sure I'm not missing out on any significant 3D features that the VT might have.





I would go for the VT30. Besides, you can get those at a good price.

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Well, both the ST50 and VT30 are going for quite a bit more than the GT30 at the moment. I'd rather not spend that difference unless there is a significant 3D advantage with the VT.
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I had the GT25 set now have last years ST30, my impression was the 3d improved from 2010 to 2011, so one could make the same assumption for the 2012 models I would think. The VT's advantages would be primarily in black level but I dont think the difference is significant when comparing to the ST50. Other than the 96hz processing I wouldnt think there would be much of a differance 3d wise. That probably wouldnt even be a factor. You might pose your question on the VT30 thread to get some more feedback. IMO all the factors that you would consider for a great 2d picture carry over to 3d. Motion handling, blacks, greyscale, color accuracy are all improved in the 2012 models from everything I have read.

I would agree with this statement completely. I don't remember ever hearing about a difference in 3D from ST30 through the VT30.
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Need a bit of help upgrading my 50GT25 to a bigger 65.

My GT performs well enough except that a bigger picture would help for 3D. There also seems to be something missing in the 3D performance when compared to a VT25 I saw.

My question is, does the VT30 have any feature that makes its 3D performance significantly better than the GT30?



If you are upgrading from a GT25, any of the VT series will blow your old TV away. With that in mind, The "only" difference between VT30 and the GT30 is the the VT30 has RS232 port and all the hardware/software. This comes in handy when or if you have it calibrated. Both VT30 and GT30 have 3DTHX mode. The VT30 has the infinat black pro panel, the GT30 does not. THat is it. Period. Those two TV's are very close in features and almost produce the same picture sitting side-by-side. I am fond of THX, so I am preaching to the masses. I purchased the 65VT30 only for resale value plus bragging rights. Besides, you can pick up any of the VT plasma's now for discounted prices compared to when I purchased mine. My only suggestion is this, if you can, I would pay the extra money and get the VT30. You can get a good price if you shop around. If you cannot afford it the GT30 is a good model.

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Does the VT's 96Hz mode make the 3D experience much better?
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Does the VT's 96Hz mode make the 3D experience much better?



Yes, but it is not enabled by default. You have to go in the settings and enable it to 96hz. But, I think the 3D Blu-ray standard is 30fps. I could be wrong.

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Does the VT's 96Hz mode make the 3D experience much better?



I think the active Panasonic shutter glasses are 60hz anyways. I think this is why the 96hz is not enabled by default. You can still enable it, the setting is there, but you will mess up the cadence of the picture. 96HZ mode is mostly for 2D Blu-ray playing at 24p. 24 x 4 = 96.

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That makes sense. In that case it is a clear cut case for the GT since the others cost $600 more. Thanks!
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That makes sense. In that case it is a clear cut case for the GT since the others cost $600 more. Thanks!




You are going to get an awsome TV with the GT30. I have seen some sweet deals out for those. Good luck. (If you can find any 2011 models) When I purchased my VT30, they had a GT30 sitting side-by-side. Honestly, I could not tell the difference, other than the price. Take that $600 and purchase a few glasses. That way, your family can watch along.

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If you are upgrading from a GT25, any of the VT series will blow your old TV away. With that in mind, The "only" difference between VT30 and the GT30 is the the VT30 has RS232 port and all the hardware/software. This comes in handy when or if you have it calibrated. Both VT30 and GT30 have 3DTHX mode. The VT30 has the infinat black pro panel, the GT30 does not. THat is it. Period. Those two TV's are very close in features and almost produce the same picture sitting side-by-side. I am fond of THX, so I am preaching to the masses. I purchased the 65VT30 only for resale value plus bragging rights. Besides, you can pick up any of the VT plasma's now for discounted prices compared to when I purchased mine. My only suggestion is this, if you can, I would pay the extra money and get the VT30. You can get a good price if you shop around. If you cannot afford it the GT30 is a good model.

Blow the GT25 away ? that is a matter of opinion not a fact. I don't doubt an upgraded picture but the GT25 compares pretty favorably to the GT30. Yes there are differences but the GT25 was a really good performer. To the OP I'd still go with the ST50 or GT50 if you can afford it. Pretty big leap in picture quality, blacks, motion handling and contrast ratio on this years Panasonic's. On the motion handling alot of reviewers actually prefer the 60hz for 24p to the 96hz processing.

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