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Can we sum up the important differences between these TV's? I've lost track.

What is different from one model to the next? Not just features or manufacturers claims, I'm talking black levels, colour, issues, artifacts, performance etc.

Has the gamma issue with the GT model been fixed?
The floating brightness is being addressed, and let's hope that leads to TV's coming brand new without this issue.

How much adjust-ability is there in each model in terms of calibration? Does the GT have a CMS in the UK but not in NA? What are the better modes to start with (Cinema? Custom? THX?) ...and what can be achieved in each?

For instance, other than price is there any drawback in getting a GT over the ST now? The GT has better blacks etc....but it had the gamma or fluctuating brightness issue. The brightness issue is and/or can be addressed, but is there anything else wrong with the GT set? Gamma?
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Now that it seems the Fluctuating Brightness may be solved, for anyone who is interested in buying a new unit, how long do you think it will take before the units will be updated with the proper fix?

I am looking to pull the trigger on a TC-P55ST30 bundle through EPP, but don't want to have to deal with Fluctuating Brightness if waiting a few more weeks will prevent it. I also don't want to miss out on the current deal though, which expires on 8/13.

Any thoughts?
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Your options: 1. Buy now for a great price and have no clue if FBr is already fixed on the set; 2. Buy later for an unknown price and have no clue if FBr is already fixed on the set.

I would guess it takes 1-2 months before the old inventory with FBr is gone.
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Where did you guys read the FBr was solved? I'm looking at the 60ST30 or 65ST30.

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Where did you guys read the FBr was solved? I'm looking at the 60ST30 or 65ST30.

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It has been reported by reputable members of other forums. Apparently all ST30/GT30/VT30s will have the fix if produced in August.
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It has been reported by reputable members of other forums. Apparently all ST30/GT30/VT30s will have the fix if produced in August.

Interesting thanks.
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Has anybody seen these sets in the same room, or even side by side to compare black levels? I am wondering just how much better the black level of the GT is vs the ST. How much better does it look? I know the ST is a great value and some say the GT is worth the extra cost over the ST, but I am still curious just how much better the black level is on the GT vs the ST.
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It has been reported by reputable members of other forums. Apparently all ST30/GT30/VT30s will have the fix if produced in August.


Sorry if I'm wrong but reading this after spending a couple hours on this forum confused me. Wasn't the fix a firmware update? Meaning it doesn't matter when the set was produced since it will update to the new firmware?
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Sorry if I'm wrong but reading this after spending a couple hours reading confused me. Wasn't the fix a firmware update? Meaning it doesn't matter when the set was produced since it will update to the new firmware?

No, it's not a firmware update that the user can download. It's an update to one of the boards on the set, and it must be done by a tech (who either updates the software on the board via an SD card or installs a new board in your set). The new sets have the board with the newest update.
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Has anybody seen these sets in the same room, or even side by side to compare black levels? I am wondering just how much better the black level of the GT is vs the ST. How much better does it look? I know the ST is a great value and some say the GT is worth the extra cost over the ST, but I am still curious just how much better the black level is on the GT vs the ST.

These questions, IMO, are almost impossible to answer in a general sense. Measured black levels seem to vary to some extent even among the same model of set. Plus, the various sets in the stores are set up differently and often have different programming. So you would have to watch the same material in the same room, and tweak the sets to match settings as best you could.

Various sources have indicated that the black levels among these sets to the naked eye are very close if not virtually identical. Some may disagree, I suppose, based on their personal observations, but I don't think you're going to get anything definitive like, "The GT has 5% better black level than the ST under the following conditions, and each percentage of black level improvement is worth $137.50 on the Fujido scale."

If you're in the market for these sets, take a look at them and make a determination if you perceive a difference and if it's worth it. There's no formula that can be applied to everyone who is looking for a TV to determine whether it is "worth it" to them.
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No, it's not a firmware update that the user can download. It's an update to one of the boards on the set, and it must be done by a tech (who either updates the software on the board via an SD card or installs a new board in your set). The new sets have the board with the newest update.

Panasonic's website says Firmware v2.060 for the ST30, GT30 and VT30 Series "Improves issue where the picture appears to dim and brighten randomly". Isn't this the FBr issue? Or is this just "improving" the issue, whereas the upgrade directly to the board is actually "fixing" the issue?
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Panasonic's website says Firmware v2.060 for the ST30, GT30 and VT30 Series "Improves issue where the picture appears to dim and brighten randomly". Isn't this the FBr issue? Or is this just "improving" the issue, whereas the upgrade directly to the board is actually "fixing" the issue?

Supposedly the downloadable firmware update (the newest update is actually 2.070) is necessary along with the board update to resolve the issue to the max extent possible. But the consumer downloadable update does not really make any significant change to the FBr issue, despite what the website says. The non-downloadable update to the board is what fixes FBr. This has been acknowledged by Panasonic reps.
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Supposedly the downloadable firmware update (the newest update is actually 2.070) is necessary along with the board update to resolve the issue to the max extent possible. But the consumer downloadable update does not really make any significant change to the FBr issue, despite what the website says. The non-downloadable update to the board is what fixes FBr. This has been acknowledged by Panasonic reps.

Thanks for clarifying... In that case my 60" ST30 will just have to wait.

Anyone know if the production date is shown on the outside of the box? It would make it much quicker to reject in the event they try to sneak an older production unit into my house

Also, just for the info, I noticed the places I checked for the 60" ST30 I'm looking to get, didn't have them in stock.. maybe an indication that the fixed production units are not too far behind.
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Anyone know if the production date is shown on the outside of the box? It would make it much quicker to reject in the event they try to sneak an older production unit into my house

The production date is on the back of the TV, but not on the box. The serial number is on the box, however. As I remarked on another thread, I wonder if one could call Panasonic and find out quickly what the build date is based on the serial number. I don't know if that would work or not.

I also don't know if a retailer is going to be happy if one rejects a TV based on the build date, unless it was agreed in advance that a certain build date would be supplied.
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I am curious as to how the ST30 50 compares to the 55 60 and 65 in picture quality?

For me it was a no brainer they wanted 2100 for a 55 GT and 1800 for a 60 ST. I will take thhe bigger picture thankyou. but some people do not want a screen that big. I think the 2 best deals at BB for me were the 50 for 1099 and the 60 for 1799.
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so is it a good idea to get one of those st30 models? i'm thinking of getting of those 46 size today at sears.or should i wait? they are going to have a sale at midnight
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The production date is on the back of the TV, but not on the box. The serial number is on the box, however. As I remarked on another thread, I wonder if one could call Panasonic and find out quickly what the build date is based on the serial number. I don't know if that would work or not.

I also don't know if a retailer is going to be happy if one rejects a TV based on the build date, unless it was agreed in advance that a certain build date would be supplied.

I would certainly recommend that if anyone here is buying based on a certain build date, you make that clear to the seller - and indicate that you will reject the unit if you take it out of the box and the build date isn't August (or whatever you specified). No need to take a chance.
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I'm going to be ordering either the 50st30 or 50gt30 from Panasonic within the next 2 weeks. I've been reading through other threads including this one on the differences between the 2 TVs. Forgetting THX mode since I'm hoping to just find some custom settings I like instead, are the blacks really better on the GT30? I've looked up the specs and haven't seen any differences in picture quality or black levels listed. I stopped into best buy and was told the blacks are definitely better on the gt30, but haven't seen anything to back that up.

Also since I'm ordering straight from Panasonic, do you think I would be able to request a model that has an August build date so that I won't have any issues? (is it anytime in August for the st30, gt30, or vt30 that is being corrected?) I wanted to have a link or something to refer the rep on the phone to in order to backup my request. So is this an issue that I could request a tech to come out to correct if I end up getting an older model?

I really appreciate any help someone can give, as I'm looking forward to upgrading from my Samsung LNA650 LCD to a nice Panasonic plasma very soon!

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I'm going to be ordering either the 50st30 or 50gt30 from Panasonic within the next 2 weeks. I've been reading through other threads including this one on the differences between the 2 TVs. Forgetting THX mode since I'm hoping to just find some custom settings I like instead, are the blacks really better on the GT30? I've looked up the specs and haven't seen any differences in picture quality or black levels listed. I stopped into best buy and was told the blacks are definitely better on the gt30, but haven't seen anything to back that up.

Also since I'm ordering straight from Panasonic, do you think I would be able to request a model that has an August build date so that I won't have any issues? (is it anytime in August for the st30, gt30, or vt30 that is being corrected?) I wanted to have a link or something to refer the rep on the phone to in order to backup my request. So is this an issue that I could request a tech to come out to correct if I end up getting an older model?

I really appreciate any help someone can give, as I'm looking forward to upgrading from my Samsung LNA650 LCD to a nice Panasonic plasma very soon!

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I am struggling with the difference between the ST and GT too. The ST does have fewer issues when you read all the reviews and feedback, but I am curious if the GT is worth the difference between the 60" models. It's tough when all the reviews don't seem to indicate the same problems, or they have problems, but different one's.

At least one reviewer/tester has reported that the GT has measureably lower blacks.

Maybe you could request that either you get a build date of August or later, or that your set has the update, just so you don't have to go through the hassle afterwards.
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I know this is REALLY dumb but who's D-Nice?????? (David Katzmaier)?????
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I know this is REALLY dumb but who's D-Nice?????? (David Katzmaier)?????
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Different guy. He is a member here and on other forums. Among other things, he does ISF calibration of displays, iirc.
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Supposedly the downloadable firmware update (the newest update is actually 2.070) is necessary along with the board update to resolve the issue to the max extent possible. But the consumer downloadable update does not really make any significant change to the FBr issue, despite what the website says. The non-downloadable update to the board is what fixes FBr. This has been acknowledged by Panasonic reps.

I don't know if this was answered but you would think it would be in here somewhere.

So if Panasonic knows there is a problem with FBr and is updating the boards as of August do the people that have these sets before August get the updated board at Panasonic's expence?
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It's been addressed. Read my signature.

Thanks tfoltz...sorry I didn't see this before!
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In the next couple of months I will finally be upgrading from an old RPTV to the glory that will be the 65ST30 or the 65GT30. From everything I have read they are more or less the same unit except for some hyped better black levels, THX Mode, and thinner form factor.

I guess the heart of the question is this:
I can get the ST for about $450 less then the GT and with EPP pricing available through my work, the ST is sub $2000. (at this very moment anyway). I think the GT is a much nicer looking set than the ST, but I'm not sure it's $450 nicer.

What would you guys do? Save the money and have a bulkier ST set that may possibly be slightly inferior or spend the dough on the GT for the perceived quality and bezel?
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i am just curious does the 60 or 65" GT have the thick bezel like the ST30 ive seen at best buy?
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In the next couple of months I will finally be upgrading from an old RPTV to the glory that will be the 65ST30 or the 65GT30. From everything I have read they are more or less the same unit except for some hyped better black levels, THX Mode, and thinner form factor.

I guess the heart of the question is this:
I can get the ST for about $450 less then the GT and with EPP pricing available through my work, the ST is sub $2000. (at this very moment anyway). I think the GT is a much nicer looking set than the ST, but I'm not sure it's $450 nicer.

What would you guys do? Save the money and have a bulkier ST set that may possibly be slightly inferior or spend the dough on the GT for the perceived quality and bezel?

I just picked up an ST and am happy with the look, much more modern and sleeker than my G10. When the tv's on all that goes away and the content comes into play. I could have bought a GT, but felt it wasn't worth the 450 more, maybe 2-300 more. This is a BR tv so no need to be fancy, If it was in the LR I may have chose differently.

The minimum black levels are the same for all the ST/GT/VT's at the 60 and 65 sizes.

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i am just curious does the 60 or 65" GT have the thick bezel like the ST30 ive seen at best buy?

The GT has a slim non glossy bezel with silver trim along the inside and outside edges of the bezel. The GT looks impressively thin from the side.
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i am just curious does the 60 or 65" GT have the thick bezel like the ST30 ive seen at best buy?

No, the GT's bezel is different and thinner than the ST. The GT is 1.1" narrower and has a chrome strip around the edge, making it look more contemporary. I'm buying the 60GT30 in the next week or so as it will fit in the alcove where it will be sitting where the ST30 is too wide.

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It's been addressed. Read my signature.

I read the link in your signature. I didn't see any ref. to the 42" models.
Is this not an issue for that size ?

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I read the link in your signature. I didn't see any ref. to the 42" models.
Is this not an issue for that size ?

It's an issue for all models built prior to August, regardless of size. I only update the PDP EEP values for those who PM me, and no 42" owners have done so.
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