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If I'm mounting the TV to the wall and don't care about the bezel, is it going to make a difference going with the 60st30 rather than the 60gt30?

It looks like the ST30 has a thicker outer frame than the GT30. Is it really worth an extra $200-$300 for the GT30?
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Can we sum up the important differences between these TV's? I've lost track.

What is different from one model to the next? Not just features or manufacturers claims, I'm talking black levels, colour, issues, artifacts, performance etc.

Has the gamma issue with the GT model been fixed?
The floating brightness is being addressed, and let's hope that leads to TV's coming brand new without this issue.

How much adjust-ability is there in each model in terms of calibration? Does the GT have a CMS in the UK but not in NA? What are the better modes to start with (Cinema? Custom? THX?) ...and what can be achieved in each?

For instance, other than price is there any drawback in getting a GT over the ST now? The GT has better blacks etc....but it had the gamma or fluctuating brightness issue. The brightness issue is and/or can be addressed, but is there anything else wrong with the GT set? Gamma?





I own the 65VT30 and the difference between the VT30 and the ST30 is this:

VT30 has RS232 port plus all the software and hardware to accommodate home automation.
GT30 does not.
ST30 does not.

VT30 has been THX certified and calibrated.
GT30 has been THX certified and calibrated.
ST30 has not.

VT30 has all glass panel with no plastic bezel
GT30 has the plastic bezel.
ST30 has the plastic bezel.

VT30 is heavier than the ST30 which equates to higher quality components.
Both ST30 and GT30 weight the same.


VT30 has the darker filter embedded into the glass panel to produce less glare and super dark blacks
GT30 has a medium filter ebeded into the glass panel which reflects more light than the ST30, but not as much as the VT30.
ST30 has the lightest filter in the glass panel, which reflects more ambient lights and does not have as dark of black level than the VT30.

VT30 comes with a free pair of active shutter glasses.
GT30 does not.
ST30 does not.

VT30 has the custom ISF certified settings, so you or a professional calibrator can easily calibrate your TV with a laptop.
GT30 does not have this option.
ST30 does not have this option.

VT30 is 3D THX certified, meaning you can watch a 3D movie in a 3D THX certified video setting. This setting has also been calibrated to THX standards.
GT30 is 3D THX certified, meaning you can watch a 3D movie in a 3D THX certified video setting. This setting has also been calibrated to THX standards.
ST30 does not.

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VT30 is heavier than the ST30 which equates to higher quality components.
Both ST30 and GT30 weight the same.

Actually, it equates to an extra pane of glass

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Actually, it equates to an extra pane of glass

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I was thinking the same thing and then popped into my head the squabbles over in the audio forum about how someones 20 year old receiver weighs 110 pounds so it has to have better components than todays receivers because they weigh only 30 LOL
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I'm getting the ST30. Spend less for quality and that way I can splurge on 2012 models!
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what will the next models be called?...35?...40?.

any idea of what tweaks are in store for the next models?
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I have been reading the discussions about the Panasonic ST30 vs. GT30 vs. VT30. I am interested in buying the Costco version of the ST30, and I cannot see many differences between the two models. Have I missed something or is the PST34 essentially the same as the ST30?

Also, does anyone know if the Costco Panasonic model TC65PST34 comes with the WiFi dongle? Thanks!
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So what's the biggest difference I'm paying for among (theoretical pricing)...

65ST30 $2000
65GT30 $2500
65VT30 $3000

GT over ST ... sexier bezel, better black levels

VT over GT/ST ... better blacks yet, single-face glass, 96hz

Is 2D and 3D performance nearly identical on these models? I'm just trying to justify the $500 price jumps... thinking of just going with the ST30 and saving the $1000...
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I have been reading the discussions about the Panasonic ST30 vs. GT30 vs. VT30. I am interested in buying the Costco version of the ST30, and I cannot see many differences between the two models. Have I missed something or is the PST34 essentially the same as the ST30?

Also, does anyone know if the Costco Panasonic model TC65PST34 comes with the WiFi dongle? Thanks!

Wait, costco has a version? What sizes are avaible?
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If I'm mounting the TV to the wall and don't care about the bezel, is it going to make a difference going with the 60st30 rather than the 60gt30?

It looks like the ST30 has a thicker outer frame than the GT30. Is it really worth an extra $200-$300 for the GT30?

FWIW, If your mounting it to a wall then just get the ST30 unless you want to pay the premium of a few hundred bucks for the thinner profile and THX mode. The extra $$$ could go towards future upgrades for your home theater.
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Not sure if this is the right thread....

I am getting a Panasonic 55ST 30 ...55inch OPEN ITEM in one of store ....for 650 + tax...wanted to ask is this a good deal????..

yea it has some scratches on the back and all that but i still think its a good deal any idea any inputs guys....
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Check how many hours are on it, and look any image retention. Do you still get the one year Panny warranty? If your gut says do it, then do it. The prices will be low in the next few weeks on new ones as well. Always a bit of a gamble. I am not that much of a gambler.
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Don't much care about 3D given the lack of media available after a couple of years being available.

But, I do like the 2D performance. So, given what I've seen between the GT30 vs the VT30 (and the lack of observable differences), go with the GT30, as it's the sweet spot (with the excellent THX adjustments).

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Check how many hours are on it, and look any image retention. Do you still get the one year Panny warranty? If your gut says do it, then do it. The prices will be low in the next few weeks on new ones as well. Always a bit of a gamble. I am not that much of a gambler.

evrything aside... the price is good...as i have been looking into sony and havent seen anything around panasonic till this thing popped up...

what are the going rates for this TV on ebay i saw it was around 1000$...
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Fellas this isnt a "where can I get the cheapest price" forum. There is no price talk allowed unless its MSRP.
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Fellas this isnt a "where can I get the cheapest price" forum. There is no price talk allowed unless its MSRP.

sorry didnt knew was it right place or not...thats why putted initally when i asked..

i will take away my question and go somewhere...
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Is it worth paying $600 more for the VT30 over the GT30 in 65" size?

Someone mentioned something about extra glass panes causing double images? Definitely want to avoid that.

Which one has fewer issues?

And why the heck is the VT30 box a whopping 77 pounds heavier than the GT30 in 65"? It means the difference between my wife and I being able to lift it onto the stand or praying the white glove folks do it.

What does the extra weight and extra glass get me?
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In my country,Thailand the 50VT30 is more expensive than 55ST30 = $160

Which set should I choose? And why?

My watching distance about 8.3-10.0 ft.(2.5-3.0 m.)

thanks for your suggestion.
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I don't really understand why the GT is a 60HZ model. Why is Panasonic releasing 60HZ models still.

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I don't really understand why the GT is a 60HZ model. Why is Panasonic releasing 60HZ models still.

They are 600hz not 60hz. You are thinking of LCD not plasma.
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OK, I'm looking to buy for my living room, sitting back on the couch would be about 8 feet away.

I was thinking 55-inch but there's a significant price difference between 50 and 55 inch. Also between the ST, GT and VT models.

Through an employee discount program through work, Panasonic is offering what seems like attractive prices, though I have not comparison-shopped yet.

I know we're not suppose to discuss prices here but what about price deltas?

Here is what I'm seeing.

50-inch ST30 vs. GT30 -- price delta is $170

50-inch ST30 vs. 55-inch ST30 -- price delta is $356
50-inch ST30 vs. 60-inch ST30 -- price delta is $584

50-inch GT30 vs. 55-inch GT30 -- price delta is $325
50-inch GT30 vs. 60-inch GT30 -- price delta is $890

50-inch ST30 vs. 55-inch VT30 -- price delta is $970

Questions are:

1. Are those 5 or 10 extra inches of screen worth these deltas?
2. Is it worth the delta to pay for GT? Pretty sure the VT models are not worth it.
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Just ordered my first plasma a 65vt30. Very excited.

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They are 600hz not 60hz. You are thinking of LCD not plasma.

Actually you're talking about the sub field which is 600hz. The ST and GT are only capable of a 48/60hz refresh rate. The VT is capable of 96hz, which is comparable to LED's 120/240hz refresh rate. Totally different things that you're talking about.

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Do these TVs come with HDMI cables?
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Do these TVs come with HDMI cables?

no

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Are there any calibration settings for the ST30? Or does it have to be professionally done?
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Are there any calibration settings for the ST30? Or does it have to be professionally done?

A true calibration involves going into the Service Menu, and tweaking things Panasonic didn't intend to be tweaked. You can destroy your TV.

As far as recommended settings in the users menus, there're are a flock of them from people of various capabilities and tastes on the net, including this forum. You'd probably do better with something like Digital Video Essentials, and doing it yourself, as opposed to trying to pick one.

For an ST30, cinema mode is pretty darn good in a darker room, as is. Some will tweak it by turning off all the various gizmos like noise reduction.
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A true calibration involves going into the Service Menu, and tweaking things Panasonic didn't intend to be tweaked. You can brick your TV.

As far as recommended settings in the users menus, there're are a flock of them from people of various capabilities and tastes on the net, including this forum. You'd probably do better with something like Digital Video Essentials, and doing it yourself, as opposed to trying to pick one.

For an ST30, cinema mode is pretty darn good in a darker room, as is. Some will tweak it by turning off all the various gizmos like noise reduction.

You don't need to go into the SM on the ST or VTs to get the best picture. Not sure where you got that from. You only need to go into the SM if you want to calibrate THX mode... which is not the best video mode on the VT and is about par with custom mode on the GT post color luminance update.
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You don't need to go into the SM on the ST or VTs to get the best picture. Not sure where you got that from. You only need to go into the SM if you want to calibrate THX mode... which is not the best video mode on the VT and is about par with custom mode on the GT post color luminance update.

Just curious, feel free to not reply if it impinges on your profession. Are you saying when you do a professional calibration on an ST30, you do it entirely within the user menus?

Where that comes from is that I thought it was universally true that professional calibrators tweak within the service menu to adjust the TV a tad for the properties of the specific panel being calibrated, unless the manufacturer has provided a calibration menu, like on the VT. I could be wrong.

Or maybe you misinterpreted what I said? As I said above cinema mode is pretty good as is, I'm not arguing that people need to tweak the the service menus to get an excellent picture from an ST30. Most people probably shouldn't even go into the service menu, you can destroy your set. Just that that's what I thought a professional calibrator does to get the absolute best picture from a specific set.

As I said, feel free to not reply, but I am curious to know if I'm wrong.
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