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10pt is not that critical but color definitely should have been done, check if custom color is on and what the settings are.

Looks like he didn't do either of those things. Here is his response,

Hi Darien,

Firstly, I don't take shortcuts and I'm pretty thorough in my work.
Honestly, I never heard of the 10-point white balance or custom color
before because they are fairly new features, found in higher end HDTVs
from what I understand.

When customers order an ISF video calibration from my company what
they're mostly paying for is the standard grayscale/white balance, and
the price I charge is within the typical range for what I have been
taught and been certified for.

I just got off the phone with ISF and apparently my calibration software
does not really do the new 10-point white balance/custom color
adjustments. To do so would take more time and obviously costs more,
like an additional $100 to $150 on top of the regular ISF video
calibration service.


He charges $350 for a calibration and I've used him a couple of times in the past. He is pretty thorough and has spent between 6 to 8 hours doing calibrations for me. Don't know if I've been cheated or not.

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I really don't know the pricing scales vs. level of service one can expect from a calibrator so maybe $350 for WB vs $450 for WB+CMS is reasonable, you might want to ask in a calibrator thread. I do know that 10pt gray scale and CMS systems have been around for several years and not just on the high-end sets and it does not take special software to calibrate then so it seems he is a little behind the times, but probably not trying to rip people off.
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Interesting, I don't imagine this job took him 6-8 hours. The reason I questioned the service is simply because (thanks to Samsung's straightforward calibration settings) I can do my 2pt adjustment in under 30 minutes, and I'm a novice. To do nothing more just seems a little strange, but then again, I've never hired a calibrator.
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Tip - highlight "AVS HD 709" with your mouse, right click "Copy", open Google, Right click "Paste", enter. Or just type it into google. It's the very first link.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

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AH yes, even better with an accelerator. Looks like mine need to be "managed" as google is missing.
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Here is yet another calibration of my 64D7000. This one is with another new panel. The first panel had the bubble/peeling problem. The second had a somewhat minor but annoying non-uniform screen. The new one does not have perfect uniformity but is very much better than the second and its shortcomings are not at all noticeable with normal viewing material.

Now that I have had three panels to calibrate and have spent time with them in my own environment, I have to emphasize that copying settings on these models is a gamble at best. So I suggest that all my posted calibrations be tried and the one that gives the smoothest grayscale with the least amount of 'tinting' be selected for your individual use. I list the links to my other calibrations after the new settings.

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04/04/2012 with i1 Pro (the 0 and 10% grayscale readings were taken with my profiled i1 LT)
About 300 hours on the panel
Movie mode with all "enhancements" off
Results: 30.5 ftL; gamma 2.24

Cell 20
Contrast 69
Brightness 58
Sharpness 10
Color 49
Tint 51/49

Gamma +1

R-OFF = 21
G-OFF = 25
B-OFF = 27
R-GAIN = 26
G-GAIN = 25
B-GAIN = 18


Red 40, 80, 80
Green 50, 80, 0
Blue 15, 60. 90
Yellow 34, 50, 50
Cyan 100, 70, 12
Magenta 0, 40, 70


1: 2, 2, 3
3: 3, 2, 2
3: 5, 3, 1
4: 4, 4, 2
5: 4, 4, 3
6: 4, 4, 3
7: 5, 4, 1
8: 7, 4, 0
9: 3, 3, 1
10: 0, 0, 0
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Links to my other calibration posts:

1757\t12/23/2011
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post21391301

1348\t10/21/2011
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21111093

922\t8/25/2011
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post20868696

921\t8/25/2011
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post20868689

553\t6/30/2011
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post20639973

320\t5/30/2011
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post20505682

224\t5/21/2011
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20470008


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Interesting, I don't imagine this job took him 6-8 hours. The reason I questioned the service is simply because (thanks to Samsung's straightforward calibration settings) I can do my 2pt adjustment in under 30 minutes, and I'm a novice. To do nothing more just seems a little strange, but then again, I've never hired a calibrator.

Yeah, he actually calibrates the 5.1 audio of your system as part of his service, so when he spends 6 hours at your house 1 to 2 hours of that is the audio portion. But my wife HATES when he comes over because he spends so much time.

She makes fun of him and imitates him looking at the TV through these colored filters he uses. Funny stuff.

Bottom line is the TV looks great. I just wonder if there's a little more that could be eked out?

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Well if audio is included, that can justify the price (especially an analog setup). I can tell you that the 2 point calibration alone goes a long way for my picture quality - I had been living with just that basic calibration for a few months and was not bothered by much. But, I do notice significant further improvement from flattening gamma response with the 10 pt adjustments and dialing in color with the CMS. Those additional adjustments seem to be included in most professional calibrations described around here, but I think those are purely video calibrations (so one would expect more for their $350).
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Larry, question for you:

These new settings you posted are actually even better than the ones I arrived at myself (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21864189) in terms of black and white levels. My own settings were a bit of a compromise (as foreseen in the AVS HD 709 manual) but yours are not (on my set at least). Also, I see no tinting when looking at the grayscale ramp with your settings. However, when looking at color and tint using the TV's blue filter and the AVS HD 709 basic pattern 4, my own settings that used default/auto white balance and 10pt were slightly more accurate.

So my question is:
Which settings would be more accurate on my set - my own that were made using only one pattern (for color/tint) or yours that utilize the entire toolbox (plus your expertise of course)?

I'm asking because I understand that everything impacts everything else and in that case, unless I get extremely lucky, I don't see how somebody else's settings could ever work. I.e. I have to either accept that my color and tint are a bit off (according to AVS HD 709 pattern 4), or adjust them and quite possibly/likely lose the benefit of all the other adjustments made (to white balance, 10pt etc). I guess I'm starting to realize that using someone else's settings as anything but a starting point will always be a waste of time. And without tools there's just no way to get a set accurate, period.

OK, no reply necessary actually. I think this post is mostly me talking to myself and rationalizing what I already suspected. Thanks and sorry to anyone who read it!

Adjusting settings according to personal preference is not calibration.
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Willie,

I don't have much faith in using a blue filter for adjusting tint setting and color level. Fortunately, the Samsungs have a way to turn off the colors and produce only a red or green or blue screen. This method in inherently a more accurate way to set the tint and color using a pattern from a disk. It's accessed using the Advanced Settings > RGB Only Mode.

Rule of thumb for the D7000 models: Color 49 or 50 and Tint 52/48 or 51/49.

Changing the Color and/or Tint settings will not have an effect on grayscale (either white balance or 10 point.)


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Willie,

I don't have much faith in using a blue filter for adjusting tint setting and color level. Fortunately, the Samsungs have a way to turn off the colors and produce only a red or green or blue screen. This method in inherently a more accurate way to set the tint and color using a pattern from a disk. It's accessed using the Advanced Settings > RGB Only Mode.

Rule of thumb for the D7000 models: Color 49 or 50 and Tint 52/48 or 51/49.

Changing the Color and/or Tint settings will not have an effect on grayscale (either white balance or 10 point.)


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Ah, I was indeed using Samsung's blue only mode. And thanks for your reply; if there's no effect on white balance or 10 point, then I can in fact correct and still benefit from your settings.

Using the pattern I end up with color at 51. Everything LOOKS great now and unless I take the plunge and buy a meter, I'll stop fiddling now. Thanks!!!

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I calibrated recently (p. 86) and am pleased with the settings while watching Cable or Blu-Ray. However, Netflix streaming via SmartHub on the TV produces garish colors. I tried switching the Mode from Movie to Standard. No change. Seems like Netflix (SmartHub) doesn't respond to Picture Menu changes. Then I tried Netflix via the Blu-Ray player. Colors were fine.

Has anyone else experienced poor PQ on Netflix on the TV?

I'm at 1015 firmware and V3.103 Netflix on the TV. I'm at 1025 firmware and V2.100 Netflix on the BD-5500 player.
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The smarthub video apps have to be adjusted just like it's another input so you have to bring up the user menu while the app is streaming. Some FW versions are broken for doing this with netflix (try to bring up the tools menu and then hit "menu"). If that doesn't work use a 2 minute preview in VUDU to adjust the settings and then Netflix will use them. Also note that VUDU streams may require much lower brightness (43 vs. 56 on my display) but Netflix streams should use your normal brightness setting.
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I calibrated recently (p. 86) and am pleased with the settings while watching Cable or Blu-Ray. However, Netflix streaming via SmartHub on the TV produces garish colors. I tried switching the Mode from Movie to Standard. No change. Seems like Netflix (SmartHub) doesn't respond to Picture Menu changes. Then I tried Netflix via the Blu-Ray player. Colors were fine.

Has anyone else experienced poor PQ on Netflix on the TV?

I'm at 1015 firmware and V3.103 Netflix on the TV. I'm at 1025 firmware and V2.100 Netflix on the BD-5500 player.

Also, there's seems to be a general problem with the picture in all SmartHub apps on my D8000. The symptoms differ depending on the app, but that makes it hard to calibrate for more than one app. For example I fell in love with the Plex App (still in development) but there is a documented "poor blacks/gray overlay" issue that the Plex developer states only Samsung can fix. I notice a similar issue going on in Netflix. The DLNA/AllShare media player seems to work great though.
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Thanks Zoyd. Tools / Menu did it on my 51D7. After correcting the problem I've decided I prefer Nextflix off the Blu-ray player.
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Hi everyone,

first of all, please apologize my bad english. I´m from Germany and my last conversation in english language is more than 15 years ago

Congratulations to this great forum, I enjoyed it very much to read different threads with all the very interesting information about Samsung Plasma TV´s and the posted settings (especially from zoyd ).

I´m an owner of a german PS64D8090 Plasma TV (since two weeks) and actually I have some problems with it.
I love to watch football on TV, but I have massive problems with motion blur in fast scenes like pan shot, or if someone plays a long pass. Then I can see massive motion blur or smearing (I don´t know if this is the correct word) and don´t know what to do now. Samsung is not in the position to help (they told me that this is normal but I can´t believe that)


So you are my last hope and I hope you can help me :-)

Thanks in advance for your help!!
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Hello goose, you are not the first with this complaint (which is nicely written, BTW). If you use the setings as posted in this thread (all special processing options turned off), then you should not have any serious motion display problems. If you use a pay TV service, it could be source related. Do you have this problem when watching OTA (over the air) television?
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@AvidHiker and zoyd

many thanks for the fast reply!

Yes, I have these problems with OTA television, especially when watching football (but also other OTA programs). The pay TV provider is called "SKY" (well known in Europe) and I watch all programs exclusive in HD-quality, no SD material.
I use the last settings from zoyd (all special processing options turned off).

The motion blur is extreme when watching football, but is also existing when I watch "normal" TV (but not so massive).

Do you know this problem and maybe you have a solution for this case?

And once more many many thanks for your help!
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The motion blur is extreme when watching football, but is also existing when I watch "normal" TV (but not so massive).

Do you know this problem and maybe you have a solution for this case?

And once more many many thanks for your help!

The faster the motion the worse the smearing and unfortunately because it's a problem with the source you can't do anything about it. The highest bitrate supported by broadcast television is ~19 Mbps but nobody uses all that bandwidth (or they break it up into sub-channels). I've seen 10-12 Mbps on my FIOS connection during HD sports broadcasts and notice very little smearing. If your provider goes much below that you will see problems.
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The faster the motion the worse the smearing and unfortunately because it's a problem with the source you can't do anything about it. The highest bitrate supported by broadcast television is ~19 Mbps but nobody uses all that bandwidth (or they break it up into sub-channels). I've seen 10-12 Mbps on my FIOS connection during HD sports broadcasts and notice very little smearing. If your provider goes much below that you will see problems.

Hi zoyd, thanks for your explanation.
That are bad news for a TV football fan
I have compared my picture with the picture of a friend which owns a Panasonic TX-P50UT30E (low cost Panasonic model).
He has also some smearing/motion blur, but much much less than I have with my Sammy. Can this depend on the picture size because he has "only" 50 inches or does Panasonic here a better job?
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Hi zoyd, thanks for your explanation.
That are bad news for a TV football fan
I have compared my picture with the picture of a friend which owns a Panasonic TX-P50UT30E (low cost Panasonic model).
He has also some smearing/motion blur, but much much less than I have with my Sammy. Can this depend on the picture size because he has "only" 50 inches or does Panasonic here a better job?

Yes, the larger the panel the more you will notice such things at the same distance.
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CALIBRATION FINALS

who has the last calibration of the user CUE e other who are they best calibrations ?

Thank you so much
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CALIBRATION FINALS

who has the last calibration of the user CUE e other who are they best calibrations ?

Thank you so much

I personally like zoyds settings,but they might not work for you if your sm settings aren't ~128 I'm not sure. Either way zoyd did a great job.
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who is the last calibration of Zoid ?
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Hi zoyd, thanks for your explanation.
That are bad news for a TV football fan
I have compared my picture with the picture of a friend which owns a Panasonic TX-P50UT30E (low cost Panasonic model).
He has also some smearing/motion blur, but much much less than I have with my Sammy. Can this depend on the picture size because he has "only" 50 inches or does Panasonic here a better job?

please, dear friend, you can post this image with smear and blur ?. I also this smear and blur. My tv is 64 inch.

thank you very match
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who is the last calibration of Zoid ?

The last settings from zoyd are in post #2 on the first side of this thread. He has last updated his settings on the 29th of March.
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please, dear friend, you can post this image with smear and blur ?. I also this smear and blur. My tv is 64 inch.

thank you very match

I will try to make a photo or short video of it today or tomorrow. But I think zoyds conclusion a few posts above is absolutely correct. He told me the following:

The faster the motion the worse the smearing and unfortunately because it's a problem with the source you can't do anything about it. The highest bitrate supported by broadcast television is ~19 Mbps but nobody uses all that bandwidth (or they break it up into sub-channels). I've seen 10-12 Mbps on my FIOS connection during HD sports broadcasts and notice very little smearing. If your provider goes much below that you will see problems.

So I think we have only two opinions: 1. we can live with it or 2. sell or return the TV and search for another TV/brand which can do it better.
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Hey zoyd,I have a question regarding your settings. I have carbon copied everything you've posted even your sm settings like adc results,my sm wb settings are at 128 except r-gain I have at 123 though I'm not sure what yours are. No movie mode wb either( I don't have an rs232)

There seems to be a slight green push in my greyscale. Any suggestions? I was thinking that dropping just the g-gain in the um might work but would that throw everything else off? I only notice it in grey ramps on my dve bd and the pattern 1 in the advanced user settings so its not a huge problem...

Other than that I'm loving your settings!
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I would try using the 10 pt controls with a ramp visible . It's easy to see where each step is located in the ramp by increasing green, then return to original setting and try small tweaks to even out visually
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