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post #2821 of 3305 Old 06-03-2012, 03:52 PM
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Oh, wow. This is a very interesting revelation, and the explanation makes sense.

Cell light = 20. Set it and forget it?
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yes. However, it creates a headache for the 10pt control because contrast ends up in the low 80s for 35 ftL. I got around that by setting movie sub-contrast in the SM such that cell light 20, contrast 98 = 35 ftL.
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Oh yes, so everything is realigned. Nice trick! Guess this does throw a monkey wrench into achieving the optimal DIY calibration for us novices.

So by using a 100% pattern while in the SM, simply adjust ADC as you describe to achieve your target peak - I think I can manage that, although making the adjustment in movie mode will not be an option for those of us on 1016.2 (but does it even matter?).
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Using the ADC values (_H) to do it is possible but not optimal since you will have to throw away DSP codes to do it. Example - reduce _H's such that 235 maps to DSP 840. This will allow you to increase contrast to recover the loss of peak white but you throw away 100 codes to do it.

The best way is the sub-contrast control which adds gain before the D/D conversion. There is a sub-contrast control for movie mode and a separate one for standard mode. I haven't tested whether the standard mode also affects the movie mode but I don't think it does.
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Right, sub contrast, thanks for the clarification. I can still use the emulator since I held off on upgrading my firmware, but not sure I like the idea of locking myself into a new sub contrast setting when I eventually do upgrade. Maybe I'll see if I can manage with the 10pt misaligned first...
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Hi everybody,

I was reading in this forum for a while and I have to say that there is really a hell of a lot of information available. Unfortunately it seems to be a bit too much for me for the beginning...

I have a PS59D7000 for about 2 months now. I entered the settings that I found in a German forum and the picture was already better that by default. I have now firmware 1019.0 installed and there is now update offered online (at least here in Germany). How to install the latest update?

Many users are writing about a logic board update. I haven't done this till now. Is this suitable for all models in all countries? Would you recommend to install this update?

Last but not least the most important question: As I wrote I entered some calibration settings that I found in a German forum. The result is OK, but the black levels are not really black. If I watch a movie where you can see the black bars on top and on the bottom, those bars are not black.The room doesn't need to be dark to see this, so it is really not even close to black. In a completely dark room the bars are dark grey at best.
Also the picture seems to have a little yellow touch. Which settings would you recommend to start with?

Any help is appreciated.

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Mike, Samsung will provide instructions on how to install firmware. You should read through this before deciding if you want to perform the logic upgrade (and before installing any new firmware):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1389562

As for calibration, the best thing is to do it yourself by eye. White balance, 10pt and custom color settings may give you more trouble, I would not use these unless you have a device with which to measure the results. You can buy a simple calibration disc, or use the free one from the forum (directions are in the PDF):

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496
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Using the ADC values (_H) to do it is possible but not optimal since you will have to throw away DSP codes to do it. Example - reduce _H's such that 235 maps to DSP 840. This will allow you to increase contrast to recover the loss of peak white but you throw away 100 codes to do it.

The best way is the sub-contrast control which adds gain before the D/D conversion. There is a sub-contrast control for movie mode and a separate one for standard mode. I haven't tested whether the standard mode also affects the movie mode but I don't think it does.

Since the 10p white balance controls get misaligned with a cell of 20 and low 80's contrast. How do we work around this if the movie mode sub contrast can't be accessed? I upgraded my firmware now can't access SCC in the service menu oh well.
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It just takes longer because you have to figure out where the controls are centered, 1-4 are usually ok but by the time you get to the higher ones they are off by 2 (8=100%, etc.)
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It just takes longer because you have to figure out where the controls are centered, 1-4 are usually ok but by the time you get to the higher ones they are off by 2 (8=100%, etc.)

Zoyd, may I ask what you do with 9 and 10?

And, come to think of it, how does this work? If the controls are ok at 1-4 and get to 100% at 8, then 5,6,7 aren't really "centered" on any IRE (except maybe 6 is centered at 70%.)

Do you just keep going over it again and again until it is stable?

Do you do your grayscale simultaneously with gamma by going in reverse (100, 90, 80 ... etc) and aiming for each point's Y target based on the 100% Y value and your chosen gamma? (Does HCFR support this?)
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I'll jump in here.

For the D7000 and Contrast set below about 75 - 80, all the intervals will not match up with the grayscale steps. Normally, intervals 1, 2, and maybe 3 will match correctly but 4 - 8 will be off a step or two and numbers 9 and 10 will not have any effect at all.

When this is the case, you have to use a grayscale step pattern to see where the 10 point intervals are actually working. For example, using the step pattern on the AVS 709 disk you will have to increase one of the R, G, or B controls and see where the change takes place. It is very obvious. Yes, you have to iterate the process until you get a smooth grayscale and a gamma curve that you want. To adjust the grayscale you have to change one or two of the controls. To adjust gamma you have to change the Green control until you get the magnitude that you want and then change the Red and Blue controls by the same amount. The term is "ganged" controls.

HFCR supports this by looking at the Y (luminance) value under the Data section. (Read my tutorial on calibrating these Samsungs. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21785199)


EDIT: For gamma calibration, increase Contrast to about 93 and make your adjustments. The 10 point intervals will match up with the grayscale steps. Then decrease Contrast to where it is comfortable for you and make corrections. Usually this won't work well for grayscale calibration because changing the Contrast control can really screw up the grayscale tracking.

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I am trying to set up the Smart Touch Control on the UE40ES8000. First I paired the IR Blaster with the tv but when I go to the set up universal remote the menu is empty, nothing is there, only at the top it shows to "Universal remote setup" and v4.3.1
My tv have the last firmware, have connection to the internet and I successfully configure in the pass one Set-top box.

Please help.
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I am trying to set up the Smart Touch Control on the UE40ES8000. First I paired the IR Blaster with the tv but when I go to the set up universal remote the menu is empty, nothing is there, only at the top it shows to "Universal remote setup" and v4.3.1
My tv have the last firmware, have connection to the internet and I successfully configure in the pass one Set-top box.
Please help.
I've talked with Samsung and they confirmed that there is a bug in the last firmware (T-ECPDEUC_1010.3).
I will have to wait for a new update to see my problem fixed.
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Hi nfribeiro - you may want to post your findings in a more appropriate thread, this one is for D-series plasma settings, not E-series LCD firmware issues.
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HELP HELP HELP!!! Hi all I have the EU Samsung PS51D551 Software version 1024.1 I accessed the service menu and changed my tv to D7000 but the expert setting is still not working plus I have my ps3 on and sky hd plugged into HDMI 1 and 2 but when I change to d7000 niether HDMI ports work now I no people say about cross matching but I dont understand can anyone help please ashhedges@hotmail.co.uk


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will these settings work on a samsung plasma smart PN51E550D1FXZA?
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will these settings work on a samsung plasma smart PN51E550D1FXZA?


From the meager amount of calibration information posted so far for the E series, I would say absolutely not.

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i used zoyd's settings minus the 10 point and color space settings. as i can not access them. can this work for a samsung smart PN51E550D1FXZA??
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i used zoyd's settings minus the 10 point and color space settings. as i can not access them. can this work for a samsung smart PN51E550D1FXZA??


I repeat: From the meager amount of calibration information posted so far for the E series, I would say absolutely not.

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i used zoyd's settings minus the 10 point and color space settings. as i can not access them. can this work for a samsung smart PN51E550D1FXZA??

Brian, there's really no need to copy settings (except disabling processing like you see we do here). Your best option is to make the adjustments yourself, under your typical viewing conditions and with the panel adjusted to your preferred brightness. There is a free test disc available on AVS and there are simple directions included to use it. It should only take 5 minutes once you get the hang of it. These posts should get you started:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333561/samsung-d7000-d8000-settings-calibration-thread/2700#post_21998503

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333561/samsung-d7000-d8000-settings-calibration-thread/2400#post_21768285
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So, are all inputs independent of one another as far as picture calibration goes? Will messing with calibration controls in hdmi 2 cause picture changes to hdmi 1? Also does changing the picture settings in 3d mode affect the 2d picture mode in any way? Oh I have a d8000
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Chronitis,

The settings for different inputs are independently adjustable and will not interact with each other.

When you activate the 3D mode, a specific adjustment menu used only for 3D becomes available. It does not interact with the 2D adjustment menu.

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Just bought the samsung pn64d7000. Looking to fix the picture. Seems like a ton of stuff out there but does anyone have the settings for this model? I would greatly appreciate this! Thank you!
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Just bought the samsung pn64d7000. Looking to fix the picture. Seems like a ton of stuff out there but does anyone have the settings for this model? I would greatly appreciate this! Thank you!


Use the search function. Yes, I know the one in this new version of AVS leaves quite a bit to be desired. Be that as it may, here are some that are in this thread. Read the warning in the first link.

Do not use any settings for the D8000. They will not work at all on your D7000.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333561/samsung-d7000-d8000-settings-calibration-thread/2610#post_21874135

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333561/samsung-d7000-d8000-settings-calibration-thread/2550#post_21852763

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333561/samsung-d7000-d8000-settings-calibration-thread/2130#post_21610254

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333561/samsung-d7000-d8000-settings-calibration-thread/2010#post_21528333


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thank you... so before I do all that what is the break in period? I need to let the tv run before I really get it going? Again thanks for your help in explaining this...
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If I want to calibrate my PS59D7000 using the AVSHD DVD, what settings do I use for all the different filters, the skin tone, the gamma and the color temperature? If I calibrate the movie mode, what should I set for the movie mode within the picture options (i hope the menues are called like that in english): Off, Auto1 or Auto2?

Thanks for helping.
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thank you... so before I do all that what is the break in period? I need to let the tv run before I really get it going? Again thanks for your help in explaining this...

We usually calibrate after 100-200 hours of "break in", but you can still use the posted settings during this time. Remember, you may not get good results when copying full calibrations posted here (they're no substitute to calibrating with a meter). I would suggest for starters you use the posted settings but omit the color space, white bal and 10pt parts (just leave them at default) and do a basic calibration by eye with AVS HD 709. Get used to that before experimenting with custom calibrations.

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If I want to calibrate my PS59D7000 using the AVSHD DVD, what settings do I use for all the different filters, the skin tone, the gamma and the color temperature? If I calibrate the movie mode, what should I set for the movie mode within the picture options (i hope the menues are called like that in english): Off, Auto1 or Auto2?
Thanks for helping.

You should start with the basic D7000 settings, like those listed by Larry in the first post of this thread. You do not need to input the color space, white balance or 10pt numbers (they can do more harm than good since there is a lot of variation from set to set), just start with defaults (I prefer native color space, 10pt off, white balance reset). This is how I use AVS HD 709 without a meter:

1. Select default movie mode (an easy way to be sure is to just reset it) and use the recommended default settings for your model which disable unnecessary processing
2. Pick a contrast and cell setting that gives you the brightness you like (based on seemingly reliable information, cell should ideally be set to 20, then just use contrast to set the peak brightness to your preference)
3. Use the black and/or APL clipping pattern to set brightness under your typical viewing conditions (I just use the APL clipping pattern)
4. Display the flashing color bar pattern and switch your TV to blue only mode (advanced>RGB Only>blue), then set color followed by tint (only minor adjustments should be necessary)
5. Turn off RGB only mode and set your sharpness (some people prefer higher settings, but we find that 20 or less is optimal).
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Hi all,

First time poster long time confused reader....

Took delivery of a Samsung 51 D8000 last Thursday. Normally i buy a TV and just have a brief mess around with the settings to get a nice bright screen and away i go. (Previous TV was a 42LE4500)

I'm now faced with this beast of a set and i want to get the most out of it. I've been trolling the net looking for info on setting it up and i came across a whole new world of TV techy talk. First thing i quickly found out is that the TV must be broken in with certain settings and then after around 300hrs of using these settings it can be set up to blow me away. I've also read about slides which makes as much sense as Chinese to me.

The TV has been used since Thursday on settings i found on AVFORUM, Movie mode settings but i'm not sure these are breaking in settings. I've looked all over but i can't seem to find the optimum settings for breaking in my D8000.

Can anyone advise what settings i should use for breaking in the set and for how long? Perhaps a link to settings if poss and maybe some info on slides baring in mind i'm not a techy person.

Any information will be greatly accepted.

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Can anyone advise what settings i should use for breaking in the set and for how long? Perhaps a link to settings if poss and maybe some info on slides baring in mind i'm not a techy person.
Any information will be greatly accepted.
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Hi and welcome! absolutely no need for any special initial settings or any need to "break-in". Try some of the settings in the 1st two posts of this thread for the D8000 and see what you like. At some point after a couple of hundred hours you might consider calibration (either DIY or pro) to get the most out of your TV. In the meantime just enjoy and avoid long periods of bright static images, logos, game HUDs, etc. Mix things up with a lot of full screen content and no worries.smile.gif

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