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that is not the purpose.. samsung is not my fav company either but dont make stuff up.

...Yeah, I assumed a bit, but are you sure the coating doesn't have a dual purpose?
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I too wanna see pics of the peeling coat... It's disgusting of Samsung to use a tinted plastic coating on their plasmas', in attempts to take the cheap way out to increase their black levels. Anyone here who buys these model Samsungs' after having read the posts in here is supporting bad design philosophies and a lazy company.

Well then you can complain to Panasonic as well. Jump in a time machine and complain to Pioneer also. All the AR coating are tinted.
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... It's disgusting of Samsung to use a tinted plastic coating on their plasmas', in attempts to take the cheap way out to increase their black levels. Anyone here who buys these model Samsungs' after having read the posts in here is supporting bad design philosophies and a lazy company.

Um, if i'm not mistaken, the AR Filter on the Panasonics and Pioneers also helps increase their black levels. FWIW.

Seems like maybe Samsung is having a problem with the application of the adhesive (or with the adhesive itself) on their bonded filter.

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Well then you can complain to Panasonic as well. Jump in a time machine and complain to Pioneer also. All the AR coating are tinted.

I was pretty sure Pio's was bonded directly to the glass. Panasonic's probably is as well. ie a chemical layer on top of the glass rather than a plastic one. Pretty sure that is what Acid Snow is talking about. I know you can get AR filters that you can apply, but I don't think they're necessarily the same as the material that's on there in the first place (i.e. that can rub off and requires care when/if cleaning). Or in the least, the others are all adhered properly so that they stay on for the life of the set.

There're people will 10 yr old Panasonic and Pio sets that have not undergone peeling.
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that is not the purpose.. samsung is not my fav company either but dont make stuff up.


The hate is strong is this one

AFAIK, ALL modern plasmas use the AR filter to both reduce glare and to improve black levels. He's not making that up.
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AFAIK, ALL modern plasmas use the AR filter to both reduce glare and to improve black levels. He's not making that up.

AR yes.. but it does not look tinted to me.

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WTF!? Pioneer (and others) used coatings on their glass that wasn't built into the glass to improve their anti-reflection properties? ...Pioneer just dropped down a peg

Seriously though, WTF ? ...StarTrek obviously has the best technology, everything else is just a soggy-bread. Captain Picard FTW (I came after Kirks time, sry).
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AR yes.. but it does not look tinted to me.

You'll have to clarify that statement because I'm not sure which panels you're referring to. I think you're misunderstanding what people mean by "tint".
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You'll have to clarify that statement because I'm not sure which panels you're referring to. I think you're misunderstanding what people mean by "tint".

Now I realize "tint" can mean many colors but when some ads that it's purpose was to have cheap darker black levels.. well then tint turns into meaning "darker" to me.

Regardless it should not be peeling at the corners or anywhere else.

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Still, nobody with this unbelievably wide spread problem has posted pictures. Maybe they are to busy shopping for another TV?
Anxious to see if mine is going to have the problem.

If you have the peel, please post pictures.
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Still, nobody with this unbelievably wide spread problem has posted pictures. Maybe they are to busy shopping for another TV?
Anxious to see if mine is going to have the problem.

If you have the peel, please post pictures.

my pictures were posted on page 2 i believe. Only got worse as time went on. Started outside the pixel panel and within days was peeling over top of the pixels.
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Still, nobody with this unbelievably wide spread problem has posted pictures. Maybe they are to busy shopping for another TV?
Anxious to see if mine is going to have the problem. If you have the peel, please post pictures.

Did you even read this thread or the other thread? About 5-6 people have posted pictures of their peeling screens.

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After reading about this issue in a number of forums, I checked my new set with a flashlight and saw that it indeed had 2 very small areas of peeling film, which depressed when touched, in the upper corners. Probably would never have noticed it if I hadn't read of the problem.

Reported to Samsung, they said they will send a service rep out.
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After reading about this issue in a number of forums, I checked my new set with a flashlight and saw that it indeed had 2 very small areas of peeling film, which depressed when touched, in the upper corners. Probably would never have noticed it if I hadn't read of the problem.

Reported to Samsung, they said they will send a service rep out.

Whoa thats way worse than the first two sets I returned. MY first two the peel wasn't even close to reaching where the pixels are.
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After reading about this issue in a number of forums, I checked my new set with a flashlight and saw that it indeed had 2 very small areas of peeling film, which depressed when touched, in the upper corners. Probably would never have noticed it if I hadn't read of the problem.

Reported to Samsung, they said they will send a service rep out.

worst I've seen.. did you help it a little after it started ?

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worst I've seen.. did you help it a little after it started ?

Not at all. Called my local dealer (The Stereo Shop in Rochester NY) this morning, and thy are replacing it this afternoon. Hope the scond one is OK
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Just imagine all of the other buyer's of these new Samsung plasmas that haven't been to any forums, not everyone on the planet belongs to a forum. Those people will go to where they purchased the set for a full refund and pick-up another plasma that doesn't suffer from peeling (VT30), I'm guess I'm saying most don't ever get reported at least on the internet.

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Just imagine all of the other buyer's of these new Samsung plasmas that haven't been to any forums, not everyone on the planet belongs to a forum. Those people will go to where they purchased the set for a full refund and pick-up another plasma that doesn't suffer from peeling (VT30), I'm guess I'm saying most don't ever get reported at least on the internet.

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if you think the Vt30 has no issues.. well wakeup

I never stated that the VT30 didn't have no issues, all manufacturer's have their issues. The fact is this particular peeling issue is so wide spread it's making headlines, a large percentage of these Samsung plasmas are in fact suffering from the same defect from inside store display rooms to the consumer's home in what little time they have been released to the public! The failure rate is high for the amount of time they have been on the market!

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Does make one wonder if anyone at Samsung actually plugged one of their sets in and played it for a week or two.

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Does make one wonder if anyone at Samsung actually plugged one of their sets in and played it for a week or two.

probably not.. which is why they where out so fast this year

anyways it will be fixed, probably is fixed already but damn there are alot of sets out there already. Sammy is going to have to worry about this for a full year, maybe longer. This could end up costing them having to exchange D series panels for E series panels down the road.

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probably not.. which is why they where out so fast this year

anyways it will be fixed, probably is fixed already but damn there are alot of sets out there already. Sammy is going to have to worry about this for a full year, maybe longer. This could end up costing them having to exchange D series panels for E series panels down the road.


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probably not.. which is why they where out so fast this year

anyways it will be fixed, probably is fixed already but damn there are alot of sets out there already. Sammy is going to have to worry about this for a full year, maybe longer. This could end up costing them having to exchange D series panels for E series panels down the road.

Do you know this for a fact?
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Do you know this for a fact?

ofcourse not... but sammy typically jumps on things like this quickly..other things not so much. Will they admit something is wrong is an entirely different story.. they probably wont.

People just need to return there sets and send a message..I'm sure they are well aware. I showed my retailer the peeling on their set already.

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Well, you know that they not going to just throw those sets away. They probably won't replace the screens. My bet is that they'll remove the coating and respray it.

Think refurbs with an extended screen coating warranty.

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Well, you know that they not going to just throw those sets away. They probably won't replace the screens. My bet is that they'll remove the coating and respray it.

Think refurbs with an extended screen coating warranty.

Refurbished vs reconditioned...the two are different. They cannot simply remove and respray. With the process they go through to produce them in the first place, and the relatively low occurrence of issues, it would be cheaper/easier to scrap the panel glass altogether...if not the entire display.
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I believe my 3rd and my "perfect" 64D7000 is starting to peel in the upper left hand quarter. It looked flawless last week upon delivery, but im almost positive im starting to see it let go in the upper left hand corner. I will give it until the end of this week.
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The way I figure it.. is this should be covered by the worksmanship of the warranty..although its a royal PITA hopefully exchanging later gives more time for sammy to get their act together..(later build date) going for a 4th panel in ~30 days is kinda crazy.

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I believe my 3rd and my "perfect" 64D7000 is starting to peel in the upper left hand quarter. It looked flawless last week upon delivery, but im almost positive im starting to see it let go in the upper left hand corner. I will give it until the end of this week.

I'm not the least bit surprised, I did see this coming however. I saw one today at BB and pointed it out to the sales rep and he was shocked by how many returns there have been thus far! Why wait for Samsung to get it right, they don't deserve your loyalty after three freaking panels! Makes you wonder how many other components are sub-standard ...

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I'm not the least bit surprised, I did see this coming however. I saw one today at BB and pointed it out to the sales rep and he was shocked by how many returns there have been thus far! Why wait for Samsung to get it right, they don't deserve your loyalty after three freaking panels! Makes you wonder how many other components are sub-standard ...

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I have a hard time believing that a lowly BB sales rep, not working with returns, would be aware of the rate of returns. Of course an infant has more display tech knowledge in their pinkie finger than most BB employees as well.
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