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Looking for an inexpensive plasma with the best anti-reflective filter for my beach house. I need a plasma for the wide viewing angle but there's also lots of windows. It's just for casual viewing so any LG, Panasonic, Samsung or Zenith will be considered. So who has the best AR filter in an inexpensive 50" set?
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Looking for an inexpensive plasma with the best anti-reflective filter for my beach house. I need a plasma for the wide viewing angle but there's also lots of windows. It's just for casual viewing so any LG, Panasonic, Samsung or Zenith will be considered. So who has the best AR filter in an inexpensive 50" set?
I don't think there are any 50" TVs with an AR Filter for $1K. All of the LG/Zenith Plasmas have glossy reflective screens without AR Filter, as do the lower end Panasonics (X3, S30) and Samsungs (D450, D490, D550). All these are very reflective and i consider them unacceptable. The lowest Samsung model with an AR Filter is the D6500, and the lowest Panasonic is the ST30, both of which are a few hundred above your budget. They do however have excellent AR Filters.

Apparently the manufacturers have seen fit to eliminate this all-important AR Filter on the lower models to reduce cost and become more competitive in the low end market, and everybody in that market loses.

If you can't up your budget a little to get an ST30 or D6500, you might be able to find a leftover 2010 Panasonic S2 or Samsung C6500 which have good AR Filters and would be under your budget. My vote is to up the budget though - these new TVs look great!

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Apparently the manufacturers have seen fit to eliminate this all-important AR Filter on the lower models to reduce cost and become more competitive in the low end market, and everybody in that market loses.

Great observation, so true and good to know.

Maybe can find a Panny 50x1 from 2009, which also has more pixels than the X3 (1366x768 instead of the 1024x768).

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Looking for an inexpensive plasma with the best anti-reflective filter for my beach house. I need a plasma for the wide viewing angle but there's also lots of windows. It's just for casual viewing so any LG, Panasonic, Samsung or Zenith will be considered. So who has the best AR filter in an inexpensive 50" set?

Another thought is to just buy a used 50" Panasonic off Craigslist. The 2008 models were good - PZ80U/PZ85U/PZ800U (1080p models) and the PX80U (768p), or a 2007 PX75U (768p). All these have good AR Filters and are fairly bright with pretty good black levels. I see prices on CL in the $300-$600 range lately.

And if you can find a PX77U - this model had an experimental LCD-like matte screen that was less reflective than any plasma i've ever seen.

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Thanks. I have a 46" PZ800U in my Virginia home which does well in my bright family room. Still looks great with close to 10,000 hours on it. So maybe used is the way to go. Maybe someone here who is upset with the black level changes might want to let there's go cheap!
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Thanks. I have a 46" PZ800U in my Virginia home which does well in my bright family room. Still looks great with close to 10,000 hours on it. So maybe used is the way to go. Maybe someone here who is upset with the black level changes might want to let there's go cheap!

Ah, that was their best TV in 2008, and also has better audio quality than any current Plasma TV. Since you know where it's been, how about retiring the 46PZ800U to the beach house instead of buying someone's used TV with no warranty that also may have hidden problems?

Then for your Virginia home's family room you can upgrade to a nice brand new 46" or 50" ST30 (with warranty) for at or close-to your $1K budget

But that's just me

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Ah, that was their best TV in 2008, and also has better audio quality than any current Plasma TV. Since you know where it's been, how about retiring the 46PZ800U to the beach house instead of buying someone's used TV with no warranty that also may have hidden problems?

Then for your Virginia home's family room you can upgrade to a nice brand new 46" or 50" ST30 (with warranty) for at or close-to your $1K budget

But that's just me

I agree, the st30 is a great bang for buck tv. There's a good special going on right now where you can get the avatar bundle along with the tv, however that ends after the 25th. Just check out panasonic's website for more info.
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A quick check on Amazon shows the 50" Panny ST30 in your price range.

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Ah, that was their best TV in 2008, and also has better audio quality than any current Plasma TV. Since you know where it's been, how about retiring the 46PZ800U to the beach house instead of buying someone's used TV with no warranty that also may have hidden problems?

Then for your Virginia home's family room you can upgrade to a nice brand new 46" or 50" ST30 (with warranty) for at or close-to your $1K budget

But that's just me

I did consider that last year when we got the place at the beach, but I got the 46PZ800U because of the excellent audio. I can't find anything available now with comparable sound since I don't want to use an external audio setup in the family room. At the beach house I'm using a vintage sound system based on my old 1970s Kenwood receiver and a pair of similar vintage Advent speakers. So I don't care about sound quality there.
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I did consider that last year when we got the place at the beach, but I got the 46PZ800U because of the excellent audio. I can't find anything available now with comparable sound since I don't want to use an external audio setup in the family room.

Oops, then my "retire the 46PZ800U to the beach house" idea would only work if you wanted to increase the screen size in the family room in the form of a used 50" or 58" PZ800U


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At the beach house I'm using a vintage sound system based on my old 1970s Kenwood receiver and a pair of similar vintage Advent speakers. So I don't care about sound quality there.

Ah the good old days of simple analog signals

This brings up an important point - that vintage receiver presumably gets audio from your existing TV via an old-skool RCA red/white audio connection - but Panasonic dropped analog audio output RCA jacks on it's lower end models (X1 and S1) back in 2009 - but retained them on the 2009 G10 and V10 series (but these were the last Panasonics to have it). And now none of the 2010 or 2011 models have analog audio out at all. However there are a few digital/Optical-to-analog RCA audio adapters available which will enable you to use a newer 2010/2011 model though if you find a good deal on a newer TV.

All of the 2008 models (PX80U/PZ8xxU), 2007 models (PX75U/PZ7xxU), 2006 (PX60/PX600), and 2005 (PX50/PX500) models do have analog audio out RCA jacks so you'd be safe with any of these. There were a couple of 50" PX60Us on Craigslist for $300 & $325 during the past month that i'd seriously considered buying for my MIL's 86th birthday

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Oops, then my "retire the 46PZ800U to the beach house" idea would only work if you wanted to increase the screen size in the family room in the form of a used 50" or 58" PZ800U


Ah the good old days of simple analog signals

This brings up an important point - that vintage receiver presumably gets audio from your existing TV via an old-skool RCA red/white audio connection - but Panasonic dropped analog audio output RCA jacks on it's lower end models (X1 and S1) back in 2009 - but retained them on the 2009 G10 and V10 series (but these were the last Panasonics to have it). And now none of the 2010 or 2011 models have analog audio out at all. However there are a few digital/Optical-to-analog RCA audio adapters available which will enable you to use a newer 2010/2011 model though if you find a good deal on a newer TV.

All of the 2008 models (PX80U/PZ8xxU), 2007 models (PX75U/PZ7xxU), 2006 (PX60/PX600), and 2005 (PX50/PX500) models do have analog audio out RCA jacks so you'd be safe with any of these. There were a couple of 50" PX60Us on Craigslist for $300 & $325 during the past month that i'd seriously considered buying for my MIL's 86th birthday

Actually right now the sound is coming from the DVD player, as there isn't any cable hookup yet. The cheap 42" Insignia that's there now is destined for the bedroom where that shiny screen's reflectivity won't matter. Now we only watch DVDs late at night so it isn't a problem.
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