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Last year we had the 2010 Samsung C7000 next to the 2009 Panny G20. The Panasonic was slightly better, but barely.

Now we have the Panasonic GT30s and ST30s next to the lowly D550-series Samsungs. I'd have to say the Samsungs are better! I know they don't have the anti-glare glass like the Pannys have, but the screen looks better IMO. The LGs, again the $900 models also look better than the $1500 GT30.

Either that or my opinion of a good picture is wrong!
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Last year we had the 2010 Samsung C7000 next to the 2009 Panny G20. The Panasonic was slightly better, but barely.

Now we have the Panasonic GT30s and ST30s next to the lowly D550-series Samsungs. I'd have to say the Samsungs are better! I know they don't have the anti-glare glass like the Pannys have, but the screen looks better IMO. The LGs, again the $900 models also look better than the $1500 GT30.

Either that or my opinion of a good picture is wrong!

Don't see how your opinion could possibly be wrong. It certainly does differ from mine though.

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Last year we had the 2010 Samsung C7000 next to the 2009 Panny G20. The Panasonic was slightly better, but barely.

Now we have the Panasonic GT30s and ST30s next to the lowly D550-series Samsungs. I'd have to say the Samsungs are better! I know they don't have the anti-glare glass like the Pannys have, but the screen looks better IMO. The LGs, again the $900 models also look better than the $1500 GT30.

Either that or my opinion of a good picture is wrong!

Last year the LG 50PK550(low-end model) was already out doing the Pana G25 in many aspects, and back in 2010 with the fear of the Panasonic rising black levels I would say that LG already caught up last year.
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Last year Panasonic lost ground to LG mainly cause of the GT25 series only being in a 54" maximum size. LG made all three of their series in a 60". That left Panasonic competing on the cheap end(65S2) and the top end(65vt25), but left the middle open to LG and Samsung.

Samsungs problem is..."plasma is an afterthought".

LG capitalized big time last year and closed the sales gap. Last year LG sold more (if you only count 40" and bigger) plasma than they did LCD. A big part of that was because they had an offering that Panasonic didn't...a mid level 60" plasma.
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Don't see how your opinion could possibly be wrong. It certainly does differ from mine though.

+1. They are very, very, very close. LG slipped though, from last year that is
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^ Cleveland is right.

If LG would put a damn anti-reflective starting at the PZ550 and up they would be there based on great color and overall performance - black levels aside.
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+1. They are very, very, very close. LG slipped though, from last year that is
What's wrong with LG plasma this year?
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Last year Panasonic lost ground to LG mainly cause of the GT25 series only being in a 54" maximum size. LG made all three of their series in a 60". That left Panasonic competing on the cheap end(65S2) and the top end(65vt25), but left the middle open to LG and Samsung.

Samsungs problem is..."plasma is an afterthought".

LG capitalized big time last year and closed the sales gap. Last year LG sold more (if you only count 40" and bigger) plasma than they did LCD. A big part of that was because they had an offering that Panasonic didn't...a mid level 60" plasma.
GT25 maxed out at 50".

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Last year we had the 2010 Samsung C7000 next to the 2009 Panny G20. The Panasonic was slightly better, but barely.

Now we have the Panasonic GT30s and ST30s next to the lowly D550-series Samsungs. I'd have to say the Samsungs are better! I know they don't have the anti-glare glass like the Pannys have, but the screen looks better IMO. The LGs, again the $900 models also look better than the $1500 GT30.

Either that or my opinion of a good picture is wrong!
Comparing a 2009 tv to a 2010 tv, how is that relevant ?

Better how, its easy to make a generic statement like that. Black levels ? Color accuracy ?

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@ Chunon...

Apparently this TV is a figment of everybody's imagination...

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P...0162482&sr=1-1

@ Killswitch...

There is no reason to bemoan a CEM for not putting on an anti-reflective filter...when you can buy one...if you need it...
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Glare-TV-...0162768&sr=1-1
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[quote=schan1269;20670958]@ Chunon...

Apparently this TV is a figment of everybody's imagination...

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P...0162482&sr=1-1

Check again... that is a 54G25, not GT25. The G series was the "Better" 1080P series without 3D, Louver Filter etc..
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There is no reason to bemoan a CEM for not putting on an anti-reflective filter...when you can buy one...if you need it...
http://www.amazon.com/Anti-Glare-TV-...0162768&sr=1-1


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My bad about the G/GT...the point still stands...

When Panasonic decided to not make a "great" 60" plasma...

Samstung(spelled this way on purpose) and LG happily stepped up.
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What's wrong with LG plasma this year?

It easier to say that the 2010 model was better than the current model Black levels are worse this year by 100% or a little more for starters.
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It easier to say that the 2010 model was better than the current model Black levels are worse this year by 100% or a little more for starters.

Oh, Ok. Thanks.
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Last year we had the 2010 Samsung C7000 next to the 2009 Panny G20. The Panasonic was slightly better, but barely.

Now we have the Panasonic GT30s and ST30s next to the lowly D550-series Samsungs. I'd have to say the Samsungs are better! I know they don't have the anti-glare glass like the Pannys have, but the screen looks better IMO. The LGs, again the $900 models also look better than the $1500 GT30.

Either that or my opinion of a good picture is wrong!

Samsung has never been behind in sales for TVs! I would be willing to bet samsung has sold more tvs than lg and panasonic put together!
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Samsung has never been behind in sales for TVs! I would be willing to bet samsung has sold more tvs than lg and panasonic put together!
Wrong. In the years between Samsung's first Plasma TV and up to and including 2010, Samsung has never sold more Plasma TVs than Panasonic. Then during the first quarter of 2011, they finally took the lead in Plasma TV sales - but it was mostly because Panasonic's new models didn't debut until there was only two weeks left in that first quarter and demand for their 2010 models exceeded supplies. Had Panasonic released it's new models earlier in Q1 2011, Samsung wouldn't have surpassed Panasonic.

Plasma market share in 2010 showing Samsung way behind Panasonic:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1102091020.htm

Samsung finally takes the lead in Plasma sales:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1338540

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Wrong. In the years between Samsung's first Plasma TV and up to and including 2010, Samsung has never sold more Plasma TVs than Panasonic. Then during the first quarter of 2011, they finally took the lead in Plasma TV sales - but it was mostly because Panasonic's new models didn't debut until there was only two weeks left in that first quarter and demand for their 2010 models exceeded supplies. Had Panasonic released it's new models earlier in Q1 2011, Samsung wouldn't have surpassed Panasonic.

Plasma market share in 2010 showing Samsung way behind Panasonic:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1102091020.htm

Samsung finally takes the lead in Plasma sales:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1338540


Please read this post more carefully! I said TV sales , not plasma sales! regards
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Please read this post more carefully! I said TV sales , not plasma sales! regards
If you meant ALL TV sales, then it's YOU who needs to read more carefully - like the fact that this thread is posted in the Plasma TV Forum and is about Plasma TV sales, not "all TV sales" which has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. It's obvious that your post was just to bash Panasonics like you do in so many other threads.

Of course Samsung sells more TVs since the majority of their TV sales are in the small LCD segment that Panasonic doesn't bother with. Samsung also sells more LCDs than Plasmas for that matter, but again, this has nothing to do with Samsung's share of the Plasma TV market and your posts here are irrelevant.

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Those numbers come from Displayresearch. They are not manufacturer numbers.

They are just very educated guess's gleened from asking distributors around the world for numbers.

Trends can be seen, but absolute numbers can be quite far off in this kind of research.

For instance, I don't believe Best Buy purcheses through distributors, they make deals with panasonic, samsung and LG direct. Without numbers from the largest US retailer how accurate can these numbers be?

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Wrong. In the years between Samsung's first Plasma TV and up to and including 2010, Samsung has never sold more Plasma TVs than Panasonic. Then during the first quarter of 2011, they finally took the lead in Plasma TV sales - but it was mostly because Panasonic's new models didn't debut until there was only two weeks left in that first quarter and demand for their 2010 models exceeded supplies. Had Panasonic released it's new models earlier in Q1 2011, Samsung wouldn't have surpassed Panasonic.

Plasma market share in 2010 showing Samsung way behind Panasonic:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1102091020.htm

Samsung finally takes the lead in Plasma sales:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1338540

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Those numbers come from Displayresearch. They are not manufacturer numbers.

They are just very educated guess's gleened from asking distributors around the world for numbers.

Trends can be seen, but absolute numbers can be quite far off in this kind of research.

For instance, I don't believe Best Buy purcheses through distributors, they make deals with panasonic, samsung and LG direct. Without numbers from the largest US retailer how accurate can these numbers be?

Samsung is the world leader in the consumer electronics market period. Sony now shares the number 2 spot, but that doesn't make any one of them any better. Personally I have rept. for Sony Car Audio and I still wouldn't give two cents of my hard earned money to either of them. Panasonic's quality control, over all, is just better.

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The top CE companies are within a couple percentage points of each other.

The biggest always get the most people bitching about them too. So that doesn't really reflect on reality either.

And every year is different. Samsung has the peeling issue right now on the high end TVs, Panasonic had the early raising blacks issue a few years ago.

In the end, people like the one they didn't have a problem with, and there's always loud mouths out there making a bigger deal about something then it is in reality (ask toyota and audi).

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Samsung is the world leader in the consumer electronics market period. Sony now shares the number 2 spot, but that doesn't make any one of them any better. Personally I have rept. for Sony Car Audio and I still wouldn't give two cents of my hard earned money to either of them. Panasonic's quality control, over all, is just better.

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The top CE companies are within a couple percentage points of each other.

The biggest always get the most people bitching about them too. So that doesn't really reflect on reality either.

And every year is different. Samsung has the peeling issue right now on the high end TVs, Panasonic had the early raising blacks issue a few years ago.

In the end, people like the one they didn't have a problem with, and there's always loud mouths out there making a bigger deal about something then it is in reality (ask toyota and audi).


I've worked in the consumer electronics industry for over 10 years. I've gone through Pioneer and Sony training. I can honestly say that I haven't much experience with Samsung, but the fact remains that they have had almost as many firmware issues lately with their TV's and Blu-Ray players that Windows had with Vista. As far as Sony is concerned, they were more problematic then any other brand I ever rept. Pioneer and Panasonic were my most reliable and provided the best tech support. I've had experience with these companies both personally and professionally so I'm still sticking with Panasonic!


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