Official Pioneer Kuro Reddish Tint Problem Thread - Page 14 - AVS Forum
View Poll Results: Does your Kuro have a reddish tint to the blacks?
KRP-500M/KRP-600M - NO 5 14.71%
5020FD/6020FD - NO 2 5.88%
111FD/151FD - NO 5 14.71%
101FD/141FD - NO 4 11.76%
Other/Older Model (please post) - NO 2 5.88%
KRP-500M/KRP-600M - YES 7 20.59%
5020FD/6020FD - YES 6 17.65%
111FD/151FD - YES 2 5.88%
101FD/141FD - YES 2 5.88%
Other/Older Model (please post) - YES 0 0%
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post #391 of 2680 Old 12-10-2011, 08:50 AM
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PDP 5020
Build date: 06/08
Panel manf: 05/08
Panel hours:approximately 6000

First noticed around 2500 hours, started searching and realized it wasn't isolated to my display. Did the board swap and had the set calibrated by dave evans in hopes it would cure the red blacks. It did not change in anyway. He commented then it seemed voltage related. Before calibration I used optimum mode, now exclusively isf night. The set is on roughly 6-8 hours a day. The display has never been in need of repair, and other than the red tint it has operated flawlessly. It has always been wall mounted with plenty of room to breath. The panel has remained in the living room ambient temperature of 68-70°

Thanks. Can you provide the serial number if the panel... not your display's serial number.
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Is there a good video pattern which ultimately reveals the pink/purple noise (if any)?
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Pioneer AAL3045-A
Plasma Display Module
Model PDU-PC50F09R4

May 2008
Serial # HESS007523UC
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Is there a good video pattern which ultimately reveals the pink/purple noise (if any)?

Yes...the moving greyscale ramp. Send FAY then MKCS01. To exit resend FAY.
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• What is the model number of your display?
PDP-LX5090
• What is the assembly date of your display? If you do not know the assembly date, provide the first two characters of the serial number located on the sticker at the top right of the display.
Feb 2009
• What is the build date and serial number of your PDP module? 50" owners, look through the vent holes on the back and it be at the top right hand corner. 60" owners, look through the bottom center vent holes to find it.
Aug 2008, HHPN001160GB
• Did you purchase the display new or used?
New
• How many hours do you currently have?
4000 approx
• When did notice the red tint? Please provide the hours of use when you first noticed the tint if you can.
4000 approx
• How many hours per day is the display powered ON and in use?
6 – 8 hours
• What is the average temperature of the room the display has been operating in?
24 C
• Have you had your display calibrated?
No
• Have you been using my reference settings?
No
• What video mode and settings have you used with your display throughout its lifespan. Please be a thorough as possible and provide the video mode and settings that you have been using the most.

Movie Mode

Contrast 32
Brightness +1
Colour 0
Tint 0
Sharpness -15

PRO ADJUST

PURE CINEMA
Fim Mode OFF (SKY) or Advanced (BLUE RAY HD) OFF (SD DVD)
TXT Opt OFF

Intellegent Mode OFF

PICTURE DETAIL

DRE OFF (more accurate) or Low if you want more fake contrast
BLACL LEVEL OFF
ACL OFF
Enhancer Mode 2
Gamma 2


COLOUR DETAIL

Colour Temp Manual (PUSH FOR ENTER FOR 3 SECONDS)

Red High -2
Green High 0
Blue High -2
Red Low -1
Green Low 0
Blue Low -1

CTI OFF

Colour Management

Red 0
Yellow 0
Green 0
Cyan -1
Blue 0
Magenta -2

Colour Space 2

Noise Reduction All Off

• Have you ever been in the SM? If so, please detail any modifications you performed.
To try to cure red tint, adjusted RGB highs and lows, adjusted RGB degradation values. All returned to original settings.
• Have you ever had any serious power issues in the room the display has been operating in?
No, turned off at the switch every night.
• Has the display ever been damage/abused? If so, please detail the damage/abuse.
None
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- KRP-600M / TYVXK5
- serialnr. HIUK000199EW
- purchased new, feb. 2009
- 9110 hours
- ISF calibrated
- noticed red tint after approx. 7500 hours
- approx. 4 hours a day use
- average temp 20 degrees celcius
- display is calibrated from the start, checked at 1000hrs and 5000hrs, stable
- only used power save mode during daytime
- no orbiter used
- no d-nice settings, no 150 hours check (what is that?)
- 50% PURE, 50% ISF, using correct drivemodes and purevideo advanced, image 'enhancers' etc off
- no power issues
- never damaged, never physically moved
- never had no repairs

Sticker on the back:

AAL3053-A
MFD SEPTEMBER 2008 (made in UK)
SER.NO. HIUK000199EW
barcode: 4977729899511
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-KRP-600M/KUCXC
-IBPM001703UC
-??can't see...it's mounted
-Bought it new
-currently have about 6000 hrs
-Noticed red tint about 4500 hrs
-Daily usage is about 5 hrs
-Room temp stays about 72 degrees
-Yes, my display has been calibrated
-No, I did not use your ref. settings
-Yes, I did perform the 150 hr break in
-I use ISF Day and Night for all my viewing
-I reset my pulse counter and adjusted my RST P
-No, never been damaged
-No, has never been repaired
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Interesting response from Pioneer...

http://www.avforums.com/forums/pione...-blacks-5.html

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WOW, nice product support. (yes I know they don't make them anymore. Now I know why.) So I have to live with a faulty product? Thats the last Pioneer product my money will ever buy. I was leaning towards the Sharp Elite. But not after seeing what the Kuro techs figure is a working product. Kuro must be Japanese for works for a while. Sorry a little upset with my disposable tv.

I think one of the problems is that they haven't been making displays since 2008. It's possible (and likely) they used to have people who knew a lot more about plasma than their remaining support techs. Also, this is a problem affecting a minority of owners so it's definitely not the entire product line. Pioneer makes some solid products. But obv. this is very frustrating for those affected. BTW, I thought a different tech gave someone here instruction on resetting the panel to drop black level - so it seems like some people there have better idea what's going on than others.

Now if what that tech said is correct, I would actually try color slides. Use the 120-slide webapalooza ones and set the turnover to very quick (4-7 seconds between) and see about running for a while. Basically, he claimed that it's due to uneven refresh, so it's probably not a bad idea to push through solid color slides with varying color/shade/intensity so that it's cycling through different normal reset voltage states (i.e. within normal the expected ranges w/o actually changing the voltages).
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FWIW I do not have red tint as of yet but will still give my info out for others to compare.

Model PDP 5020
Assembly Date Feb 09. IB
Build date October 2008. Serial number HJSS025800UC
4000 HOURS. 4 to 6 hours a day.
Ran slides for 150 hours and twice for 24 hours once a year since.
Professionally calibrated.
Use movie mode majority of time and also game mode.
Settings for Movie mode Contrast 40, brightness 0, color 0, tint 0, sharpness -13, Pure cinema Standard.
No damage.
Temperaturtes of room 70 to 75 degrees.

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  • What is the model number of your display?
    KRP500M/KUCXC (What is the KUCXC? This the same for all 500M?)

    Pioneer AAL3059-A
    Plasma Display Module PDU-PC50F09E6
  • What is the assembly date of your display? If you do not know the assembly date, provide the first two characters of the serial number located on the sticker at the top right of the display.
    What is the build date and serial number of your PDP module? 50" owners, look through the vent holes on the back and it be at the top right hand corner. 60" owners, look through the bottom center vent holes to find it.

    I have a MFD date and serial number on a sticker on the back bottom center of the TV which are October 2008 and S/N: HJPM000359UC . This serial number also matches the serial number that is on the sticker on the very top right of the display.

    I looked through the vent holes on the back upper right of the display and the MFD date is September 2008 and S/N: HIPN006476GA.

    What is the difference in these MFD dates and S/N?
  • Did you purchase the display new or used?
    New
  • How many hours do you currently have?
    Approximately 3000 hours
  • When did notice the red tint? Please provide the hours of use when you first noticed the tint if you can.
    First noticed around 2500 hours
  • How many hours per day is the display powered ON and in use?
    4-6 hours
  • What is the average temperature of the room the display has been operating in?

    63-76 degrees depending on season
  • Have you had your display calibrated?
    No
  • Have you been using my reference settings?
    Yes
  • Did you perform the 150 hour panel aging procedure I recommend with my settings?
    Yes
  • What video mode and settings have you used with your display throughout its lifespan. Please be a thorough as possible and provide the video mode and settings that you have been using the most.
    Pure mode with your recommended settings. Here are the complete details though:

    Picture
    AV Selection: Pure
    Contrast : 38
    Brightness : 1
    Color : 2
    Tint : 0
    Sharpness : -15
    Color Temp : Manual
    Red High : -4
    Green High : 0
    Blue High : 3
    Red Low : -1
    Green Low : 1
    Blue Low : 1
    Gamma : 2

    Pure Cinema
    Film Mode : Standard
    Text Optimization: Off

    Intelligent Mode: Off

    Picture Detail
    DRE Picture : Off
    Black Level : Off
    ACL : Off
    Enhancer Mode: Hard

    Color Detail
    CTI: Off
    Color Management
    R (RED) : 0
    Y (YELLOW) : 2
    G (GREEN) : 0
    C (CYAN) : 0
    B (BLUE) : 0
    M (MAGENTA): 0
    Color Space : 2

    Noise Reduction
    3DNR : Off
    Field NR : Off
    Block NR : Off
    Mosquito NR: Off

    Other
    3DYC : Middle
    IP Mode : 2 (Standard)
    Drive Mode : 1 (75Hz)
    Game Control : Off
    Blue Only Mode: Off

    Power & Options
    Energy Save Mode : Standard
    Room Light Sensor: Off
  • Have you ever been in the SM? If so, please detail any modifications you performed.
    No
  • Have you ever had any serious power issues in the room the display has been operating in?
    No
  • Has the display ever been damage/abused? If so, please detail the damage/abuse.
    No
  • Has the display ever needed repair? If so, when, what was the problem, who did the repair and was the display performing post repair as it was prior to the repair?
    No
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What is the model number of your display?
PDP-LX5090H
What is the assembly date of your display? If you do not know the assembly date, provide the first two characters of the serial number located on the sticker at the top right of the display.
IF
What is the build date and serial number of your PDP module? 50" owners, look through the vent holes on the back and it be at the top right hand corner. 60" owners, look through the bottom center vent holes to find it.
October 2008 HJPN-0190546GB
Did you purchase the display new or used?
new Nov. 09
How many hours do you currently have?
approx. 2800h
When did notice the red tint? Please provide the hours of use when you first noticed the tint if you can.
approx. 900-1000h
How many hours per day is the display powered ON and in use?
3-4h
What is the average temperature of the room the display has been operating in?
18-21degree Celsius
Have you had your display calibrated?
no
Have you been using my reference settings?
no
Did you perform the 150 hour panel aging procedure I recommend with my settings?
no
What video mode and settings have you used with your display throughout its lifespan. Please be a thorough as possible and provide the video mode and settings that you have been using the most.

Picture
AV Selection: User
Contrast : 40
Brightness : 0
Color : 0
Tint : 0
Sharpness : -11
Color Temp : low
Gamma : 2

Pure Cinema
Film Mode : Standard
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligent Mode: Off

Picture Detail
DRE Picture : Off
Black Level : Off
ACL : Off
Enhancer Mode: 1

Noise Reduction
3DNR : Off
Field NR : Off
Block NR : Off
Mosquito NR: Off

DriveMode: 2




Have you ever been in the SM? If so, please detail any modifications you performed.
no
Have you ever had any serious power issues in the room the display has been operating in?
no
Has the display ever been damage/abused? If so, please detail the damage/abuse.
no
Has the display ever needed repair? If so, when, what was the problem, who did the repair and was the display performing post repair as it was prior to the repair?
Called the pioneer service for the "reddish tint". They cecked the voltage values and the hours. Service couldn't fix the problem.
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Thanks guys. Keep the info coming.

nofaith, your assembly serial number looks to be invalid. "IF" means your display was assembled in May 2009. Please verify.

wxman, Thanks for your info. As a sanity check, please recheck your PDP module's serial number.

jowicrt, please re check both of your serial numbers. I think you have provided your assembly date and serial number, not your PDP module's serial number.

For those who can provide the PDP module's serial if you can put in a format similar to jayw547, that would be great.
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nofaith, your assembly serial number looks to be invalid. "IF" means your display was assembled in May 2009. Please verify.

IFSSXXXXXXXX PDP-LX5090H/WYS7 That's all on top of the right hand on the TV frame.
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Got it. Thanks nofaith.
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jowicrt, please re check both of your serial numbers. I think you have provided your assembly date and serial number, not your PDP module's serial number.

This is the number on the sticker on the top right hand side of the casing, and also what the KRP reports using IP control. I can't find the other one, i tried to look into the vents but didn't see anything?
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Yes...the moving greyscale ramp. Send FAY then MKCS01. To exit resend FAY.

No, it doesnt for me. I've used this pattern but can not replicate any sparkles with it. I have to play some video with some moving black objects, e.q. someone's head against some background, and you will see a lot of sparkles and purple 'lag' in the (former) black area's...
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For those who can provide the PDP module's serial if you can put in a format similar to jayw547, that would be great.

Pioneer AAL3059-A
Plasma Display Module PDU-PC50F09E6

Not sure if this matters but the last three digits of the display module are highlighted in orange (9E6). Maybe they do that when they're checking things but I just thought that was kind of odd.
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Thanks. Can you provide the serial number if the panel... not your display's serial number.

will answer all your questions when i get home. I seem to be one of the few 8g elite(or non-elite) owners with this problem.
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What is the model number of your display?

KRP-500M
What is the assembly date of your display? If you do not know the assembly date, provide the first two characters of the serial number located on the sticker at the top right of the display.

IC
What is the build date and serial number of your PDP module? 50" owners, look through the vent holes on the back and it be at the top right hand corner. 60" owners, look through the bottom center vent holes to find it.

December 2008, HLPNO14249GA
Did you purchase the display new or used?

New, 10/28/2009
How many hours do you currently have?

Maybe 2000 to 3000
When did notice the red tint? Please provide the hours of use when you first noticed the tint if you can.

Just started noticing it on the right side of the panel. Not as bad as some pics I have seen online. But slowly getting the red tint.
How many hours per day is the display powered ON and in use?

On average maybe 3 to 4 hours a day.
What is the average temperature of the room the display has been operating in?

low 70s
Have you had your display calibrated?

Yes, VE calibrated it before sending it out.
Have you been using my reference settings?

No
Did you perform the 150 hour panel aging procedure I recommend with my settings?

It was suppose to be done at VE. So yes.
What video mode and settings have you used with your display throughout its lifespan. Please be a thorough as possible and provide the video mode and settings that you have been using the most.

Pure mode mostly. Also using the ISF day mode
Have you ever been in the SM? If so, please detail any modifications you performed.

No
Have you ever had any serious power issues in the room the display has been operating in?

No
Has the display ever been damage/abused? If so, please detail the damage/abuse.

No
Has the display ever needed repair? If so, when, what was the problem, who did the repair and was the display performing post repair as it was prior to the repair?

No

Thanks
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What is the KUCXC?

The type code.
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This the same for all 500M?

No, there are three of them. jowicrt has a TYVXK.
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What is the model number of your display?
PDP-LX5090H
What is the assembly date of your display? If you do not know the assembly date, provide the first two characters of the serial number located on the sticker at the top right of the display.
HJ
What is the build date and serial number of your PDP module? 50" owners, look through the vent holes on the back and it be at the top right hand corner. 60" owners, look through the bottom center vent holes to find it.
July 2008
Did you purchase the display new or used?
New October 2008
How many hours do you currently have?
approx. 9000 h
When did notice the red tint? Please provide the hours of use when you first noticed the tint if you can.
at the end of the first year approx. 3000 h
How many hours per day is the display powered ON and in use?
7-8 h
What is the average temperature of the room the display has been operating in?
22 degree Celsius
Have you had your display calibrated?
NO
Have you been using my reference settings?
NO
Did you perform the 150 hour panel aging procedure I recommend with my settings?
NO
What video mode and settings have you used with your display throughout its lifespan. Please be a thorough as possible and provide the video mode and settings that you have been using the most.

Image Picture
Movie
Contrast : 32
Brightness : 0
Color : 0
Tint : 0
Sharpness : -15
Color Temp : mid
Gamma : 2

Pure Cinema
Film Mode : Advanced
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligent Mode: Off

Détail Image Picture Detail
DRE Picture : Off
Black Level : Off
ACL : Off
Enhancer Mode: 1

Noise Reduction
DNR : Off
Field NR : Off
Block NR : Off
Mosquito NR: Off

DriveMode: 2




Have you ever been in the SM? If so, please detail any modifications you performed.
NO
Have you ever had any serious power issues in the room the display has been operating in?
NO
Has the display ever been damage/abused? If so, please detail the damage/abuse.
NO
Has the display ever needed repair? If so, when, what was the problem, who did the repair and was the display performing post repair as it was prior to the repair?
NO

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What is the model number of your display?
PRO-111FD

What is the assembly date of your display? If you do not know the assembly date, provide the first two characters of the serial number located on the sticker at the top right of the display.
Jun 2008

What is the build date and serial number of your PDP module? 50" owners, look through the vent holes on the back and it be at the top right hand corner. 60" owners, look through the bottom center vent holes to find it.
upper sticker:
AAL3057-A
PDU-PC50F09E4U (highlighted in PINK!!!!!...I wonder....)

lower sticker:
April 2008
Serial # HDPV001877UC

Did you purchase the display new or used?
New Aug. 08

How many hours do you currently have?
Approx. 8500hr

When did notice the red tint? Please provide the hours of use when you first noticed the tint if you can.
Approx. 7500hr

How many hours per day is the display powered ON and in use?
5-6hr (weekends 9-16 hr, aprox. 50 hr/week)

What is the average temperature of the room the display has been operating in?
17 -21°C

Have you had your display calibrated?
No

Have you been using my reference settings?
More or less same general settings yours used as reference

Did you perform the 150 hour panel aging procedure I recommend with my settings?
No...ran 150 hours of 1:78 images before using 2:35 movies.

What video mode and settings have you used with your display throughout its lifespan. Please be a thorough as possible and provide the video mode and settings that you have been using the most.

Picture
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast : 27
Brightness : 0
Color : +6
Tint : 0
Sharpness : -10
Color Temp : Manual (dropped red low 1 unit and raised blue low 1 since red tint)

Pure Cinema
Film Mode : Advanced
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligent Mode: Off

Picture Detail
DRE Picture : Off
Black Level : Off
ACL : Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Gamma : 1

Colour Space: 2

Noise Reduction
3DNR : Off
Field NR : Off
Block NR : Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Energysave: Mode 2
Orbiter:Mode 2




Have you ever been in the SM? If so, please detail any modifications you performed.
No

Have you ever had any serious power issues in the room the display has been operating in?
No

Has the display ever been damage/abused? If so, please detail the damage/abuse.
No

Has the display ever needed repair? If so, when, what was the problem, who did the repair and was the display performing post repair as it was prior to the repair?
No

I hope this information is useful. For the last few months I have been turning on the panel first then when the black level stabilizes (2 steps) I turn on my CM7000PAL. The red shift seems to be less noticeable recently....for what that may be worth. I am probably just becoming used to the tint!

P.E.H.
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build date july 2008
panel manf: june 2008
panel SN: HFPV012894UC
Approximate hours: 14500
bought new feb, 2009
first noticed red tint 4000 hours
no power issues
never been in the sm
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I still can't figure out conclusively whether or not my 111 has this issue. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

D-Nice, thanks for looking into this.
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OK, I don't own a Kuro but I have to ask. With over 400 replies in this thread, is this a major flaw with the 'Mighty Kuro' or is it just that there are so many of them out there and they're starting to get old? Or is it something else?
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OK, I don't own a Kuro but I have to ask. With over 400 replies in this thread, is this a major flaw with the 'Mighty Kuro' or is it just that there are so many of them out there and they're starting to get old? Or is it something else?

Something else.
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Something else.

OK, what then?
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OK, what then?

Its already been explained in the thread.
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D Nice

Thanks for looking into this. I will post my information when I get home.
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Btw, are you still coming down los angeles next week? I sent you an email for a potential calibration date this month. Let me know man. Thanks.
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