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Can you please explain more in detail what the issue is with the color? I have a GT30 set and I do see the color not correct on some channels.

Also, why would Panasonic not fix this? Is this a known issue to them?

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I don't believe this is an issue as much on the GT30.

The VT30 does have some particular grayscale behavior as well as some color decoding issues in terms of x, y plotting - at certain IREs if I recall (it's been a while since I read up on the issue and I not sure if there were updates.).

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Can you please explain more in detail what the issue is with the color? I have a GT30 set and I do see the color not correct on some channels. Also, why would Panasonic not fix this? Is this a known issue to them?

If you're seeing incorrect color on some channels but not others, that's an issue with the channels, not the TV. Some of my local OTA channels have pretty accurate colors, but when i change to other channels the colors are off. It's this way on every TV i've ever had (and have).

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I don't believe this is an issue as much on the GT30.

The VT30 does have some particular grayscale behavior as well as some color decoding issues in terms of x, y plotting - at certain IREs if I recall (it's been a while since I read up on the issue and I not sure if there were updates.).

All 2011 consumer Panasonic PDPs have color decoding issues.
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Have you seen a production 2012 model yet? Can't wait to hear your thoughts on them!

Indecision may or may not be my problem.
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All 2011 consumer Panasonic PDPs have color decoding issues.

Thanks. Any news if this can or will be fixed via a firmware update?

If no, would there be any recourse with Panasonic?
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Thanks. Any news if this can or will be fixed via a firmware update?

If no, would there be any recourse with Panasonic?

The fitness of the product is not warranted to provide perfect color decoding. The "flawed" 2011 Panasonics have the ability to provide more than accurate enough color to satisfy the vast, vast majority of customers.

For recourse, you need something flawed that you could theoretically show regular people (like Samsung's peeling filters from earlier in the year). You are not getting "recourse" from relatively minor color-decoding errors.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Thanks. Any news if this can or will be fixed via a firmware update?

If no, would there be any recourse with Panasonic?

It won't be
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Man, this thread has been seriously corrupted by just about everything except the topic of "2012 Panasonic Plasmas." Maybe there is just not enough action to keep crickets from chirping w/o creeping back to 2011. What happened to good 'ol bitching about how much the new units are gonna cost, how you aren't gonna buy in 2012 because "they haven't made any improvements, etc?
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Man, this thread has been seriously corrupted by just about everything except the topic of "2012 Panasonic Plasmas." Maybe there is just not enough action to keep crickets from chirping w/o creeping back to 2011. What happened to good 'ol bitching about how much the new units are gonna cost, how you aren't gonna buy in 2012 because "they haven't made any improvements, etc?

In the calm before the storm, all sorts of creatures come out to feed.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I'm not gonna buy a 2012 Panny at theses high prices, because they haven't made enough improvements for my money!

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I'm not gonna buy a 2012 Panny at theses high prices, because they haven't made enough improvements for my money!

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I was just offered a 65ST30 for under $1700, delivered. Trying to figure out if that deal is as good as it seems. Based on these HDguru MSRPs, it seems prices are trending slightly upward?
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I was just offered a 65ST30 for under $1700, delivered. Trying to figure out if that deal is as good as it seems. Based on these HDguru MSRPs, it seems prices are trending slightly upward?

Sometimes supply starts to dry up right before new models are rolled out causing prices of existing models to actually go higher.
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I was just offered a 65ST30 for under $1700, delivered. Trying to figure out if that deal is as good as it seems. Based on these HDguru MSRPs, it seems prices are trending slightly upward?

Panasonic MSRPs are trending downwards.

Street prices will trend upwards because newer models are replacing deeply discounted closeout models.

This happens every year.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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In the calm before the storm, all sorts of creatures come out to feed.

Rogo, you always find a way to make me laugh out loud, which results in various stares of disapproval from my colleagues.
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What happened to good 'ol bitching about how much the new units are gonna cost, how you aren't gonna buy in 2012 because "they haven't made any improvements, etc?

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In the calm before the storm, all sorts of creatures come out to feed.

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I'm not gonna buy a 2012 Panny at theses high prices, because they haven't made enough improvements for my money!

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We have the list prices but we do not know the performance of these panels.


I was Joking-->


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Rogo, you always find a way to make me laugh out loud, which results in various stares of disapproval from my colleagues.

Sorry.

Send my apologies to Stockton and Jerry Sloane.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Sorry.

Send my apologies to Stockton and Jerry Sloane.

He cant, Karl is now persona non grata in Utah.
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We have the list prices but we do not know the performance of these panels.

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I was Joking-->


(((Jiminy Cricket)))

I see the emoticon here, but your post had only a "!".

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How long before someone reviews a 2012 model???

Indecision may or may not be my problem.
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He cant, Karl is now persona non grata in Utah.

Shows what I know. I can't keep up to date on which retired players are loved/hated where.

But I'm wishing Tony Gwynn well. I always liked him.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I'm not gonna buy a 2012 Panny at theses high prices, because they haven't made enough improvements for my money!

Jiminy Cricket

Now there ya go! Now we're gettin' after it!
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I am definitely buying a 65" for x-mas, just waiting to see if the VT is worth the $$$ over the GT.

Indecision may or may not be my problem.
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I will be selling my Pioneer Elite Pro151 and purchasing the 65vt50. Yes, You read that correctly. I also have a 65vt25 and prefer that over the 151.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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I will be selling my Pioneer Elite Pro151 and purchasing the 65vt50. Yes, You read that correctly. I also have a 65vt25 and prefer that over the 151.

Heresy! Is it the size differential and 3D that wins you over?
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Heresy! Is it the size differential and 3D that wins you over?

No. I rarely if ever watch 3D. I prefer the brighter picture of the Panny.
Both are calibrated and the Panny is just more enjoyable to watch for me.

Perhaps I misremembered.

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What happened to good 'ol bitching about how much the new units are gonna cost, how you aren't gonna buy in 2012 because "they haven't made any improvements, etc?

Well, I'm seriously considering one, and checking this thread every few days to see if anyone's posted about availability/reviews/impressions. I'm sure once they start to turn up in various places, people will start talking about them again.

The one thing I'm really curious about is motion artifacting, which is what held me back from getting a 2011 model. I looked at them in stores and liked the picture and price but the motion artifacting was just very noticeable to me. I know stores don't ever have the best setups so I read some reviews afterwards and they confirmed what I saw, but at least one or two said it was basically unique to the 2011 models and hadn't been seen in previous models. So I'm really waiting to see if they've fixed that in the 2012 models, and if they have, I'll buy one.
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Well, I'm seriously considering one, and checking this thread every few days to see if anyone's posted about availability/reviews/impressions. I'm sure once they start to turn up in various places, people will start talking about them again.

The one thing I'm really curious about is motion artifacting, which is what held me back from getting a 2011 model. I looked at them in stores and liked the picture and price but the motion artifacting was just very noticeable to me. I know stores don't ever have the best setups so I read some reviews afterwards and they confirmed what I saw, but at least one or two said it was basically unique to the 2011 models and hadn't been seen in previous models. So I'm really waiting to see if they've fixed that in the 2012 models, and if they have, I'll buy one.

I like to stay optimistic about the 2012 models. After all, it is completely redesigned.
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Panasonic MSRPs are trending downwards.

Street prices will trend upwards because newer models are replacing deeply discounted closeout models.

This happens every year.

The downward trend is just about over as the 2011 models are just about gone......
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