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I'm looking to get a new TV around May/June. Right now a 60 or 65 Panny is the most likely candidate. Seems like perfect timing.
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I currently have a 50" Panny VT20 (and a JVC front projector + 108" screen). I am looking for a Panny plasma for a bedroom application. I would go with the VT series except they do not offer a set <50". I want to "replace" a Sony KDL- 40XBR 6, LCD set, that is about three years old (was a controversial set in that, to many, it did not rise above lesser Sony LCD sets series). Great accurate-color but poor "motion" and off-angle viewing. Rant off (lol).

So my questions are: What is the series just below the VT series in quality, and as I understand, it has a sub-50" size, i.e. 42", and given the aforementioned Sony 40XBR6, will the Panny "smoke" that Sony on "blacks" and overall pic quality? Hey, thanks for comments and responses.
P.S. One obvious "upgrade" for me would be the 3-D (smile).
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I currently have a 50" Panny VT20 (and a JVC front projector + 108" screen). I am looking for a Panny plasma for a bedroom application. I would go with the VT series except they do not offer a set <50". I want to "replace" a Sony KDL- 40XBR 6, LCD set, that is about three years old (was a controversial set in that, to many, it did not rise above lesser Sony LCD sets series). Great accurate-color but poor "motion" and off-angle viewing. Rant off (lol).

So my questions are: What is the series just below the VT series in quality, and as I understand, it has a sub-50" size, i.e. 42", and given the aforementioned Sony 40XBR6, will the Panny "smoke" that Sony on "blacks" and overall pic quality? Hey, thanks for comments and responses.
P.S. One obvious "upgrade" for me would be the 3-D (smile).

The GT is just below the VT but the smallest is a 50". The next down is the ST series which is a good candidate as they have 42 and 46 available all 3 have 3D capabilities. I have no idea about the sony so I can't comment.
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Nice to see Panny break the 70" barrier with their 2012 lineup of plasmas.
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The GT is just below the VT but the smallest is a 50". The next down is the ST series which is a good candidate as they have 42 and 46 available all 3 have 3D capabilities. I have no idea about the sony so I can't comment.

There is view that the ST30 series has better (!) 2D picture quality than GT30 series.

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Thanks for the input. Wish the ST had THX, but I need <50" so I guess it is the ST and not GT.
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Thanks for the input. Wish the ST had THX, but I need <50" so I guess it is the ST and not GT.

I'd prefer to buy ST30 likewise.

See over this review for instance.

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Thanks for the input. Wish the ST had THX, but I need <50" so I guess it is the ST and not GT.

D-Nice's settings on the ST look better than the GT's THX mode, since that's closer to an actual calibration.

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I hope there are 2012 plasmas from Panasonic...... news item:

Panasonic has Biggest Loss in a Decade - Panasonic has reported a potential $5.4 billion dollar loss. A year ago the Japese company acquired Sanyo and recently announced a major restructuring of its TV and chip operations. Although Japan's biggest maker of appliances, Panasonic has much competition from Samsung and LG. The company has suspended two Japanese plants making TV displays and scrapped plans to relocate panel facilities to China. It will reduce its production capacity for plasma TV panels by 48%. http://audaud.com/2011/11/audio-news...ember-15-2011/
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I hope there are 2012 plasmas from Panasonic...... news item:

Panasonic has Biggest Loss in a Decade - Panasonic has reported a potential $5.4 billion dollar loss. A year ago the Japese company acquired Sanyo and recently announced a major restructuring of its TV and chip operations. Although Japan's biggest maker of appliances, Panasonic has much competition from Samsung and LG. The company has suspended two Japanese plants making TV displays and scrapped plans to relocate panel facilities to China. It will reduce its production capacity for plasma TV panels by 48%. http://audaud.com/2011/11/audio-news...ember-15-2011/

There will definitely be 2012 Panasonic plasmas and beyond. Panasonic, like most companies, underwent a re-structuring to adopt to the economy and market.

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Personally if i were to get a VT30 65" i wouldnt pay more than 1800.00 for it. Maybe if the prices drop I will jump into one.

Costco has 65" ST for $2K right now. If VT would be $1.8K than ST should go for $1.2K or so?

I do not want to sound pessimistic but I doubt you will VT at that price (unless it is a return). At your price VT30 would be one sweet deal.
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There will definitely be 2012 Panasonic plasmas and beyond. Panasonic, like most companies, underwent a re-structuring to adopt to the economy and market.

Yes there will be, but they're most likely going to have to cut corners to return to profitability.
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Yes there will be, but they're most likely going to have to cut corners to return to profitability.

Well, they've already been cutting corners actually.

I am curious of this "world's first" technology that is being implemented in next year's models - according to an insider.

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Bottom line with the 2012 Panasonic plasmas. No on knows what is the real deal until Panasonic actually releases official specs and information. 99% of the timewith an exception of a few on this boardanyone in the know is full of ****.

So, if you are wanting your first HDTV Panasonic Plasmastill using SD CRT'sor your old HDTV just died, BUY NOW! Nothing in 2012 will make buying a 2011 ST, GT, VT a bad decision or make waiting another 6 to 12 months worth it. You could be dead by then, you never know, why wait, life is too short and these are only TV's.

On the other hand, if you already have a well performing HDTV, that you still enjoy from a few years ago. Then that makes sense to wait a few months for any small increases in performance.
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One more thing. There are some on AVSF who will say that your better off waiting because the 2011 Panasonic Plasmas have issues, If I was you, I'd wait.

Pay them no mind. Because those same people will tell you the SAME THING about the 2012 Panasonic's. Odds are they were saying the same thing about the 2008, 2009, 2010 Panasonic's. Listen to them and the wait will kill you.

Nothing in life is a guarantee and 100% perfection is nearly impossible. While the Pioneer Elite Kuro came the closest, even it was not perfect.
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One more thing. There are some on AVSF who will say that your better off waiting because the 2011 Panasonic Plasmas have issues, If I was you, I'd wait.

Pay them no mind. Because those same people will tell you the SAME THING about the 2012 Panasonic's. Odds are they were saying the same thing about the 2008, 2009, 2010 Panasonic's. Listen to them and the wait will kill you.

Nothing in life is a guarantee and 100% perfection is nearly impossible. While the Pioneer Elite Kuro came the closest, even it was not perfect.

For me everything is reverse to that: I bought at 2010 december Samsung B series plasma (the 2009 model). At present, 2011 december, I would willingly buy Samsung A series plasma (the 2008 model).

I was lucky to have escaped the quoted contradiction.

Imperfection practical form of perfection (but it is difficult to recognize that).

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There will definitely be 2012 Panasonic plasmas and beyond. Panasonic, like most companies, underwent a re-structuring to adopt to the economy and market.

I'm not quite sure therein:

Home Theater Magazine took measurements over years Panasonic plasmas white level:

TH-50PZ800U: 38.4.

TC-P58V10 : 33.57:

There has been a 12.5 % decrease in peak bright level.

TC-P50VT25 : 27.3:

18.7 % decline.

TC-P55VT30 : 25.12 (footlamberts):

9.2 % drop.

Average yearly peak brightness loss during the last three years: (12.5+18.7+9.2)/3= 13.5 %.

Therefore the TC-P55VT50 expected white level (e. w. l.): 25.12 x 0.865 =21.73 footlamberts.

If somebody give me the plasma HDTVs minimal required bright level (m. r. b. l.), then I calculate the year, when Panasonic closes all plasma tvs manufacturing plants. (I. e. when e. w. l. < m. r. b. l.)

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Just my .02 but after getting a GT30 on Saturday, I have a hard time believing that a 2012 model will be worth the extra dollars, at least for the first 6 months

yes it will be worth it..
Better blacks and better color. Smaller bezel , brighter screen
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I'm not quite sure therein:

Home Theater Magazine took measurements over years Panasonic plasmas white level:

TH-50PZ800U: 38.4.

TC-P58V10 : 33.57:

There has been a 12.5 % decrease in peak bright level.

TC-P50VT25 : 27.3:

18.7 % decline.

TC-P55VT30 : 25.12 (footlamberts):

9.2 % drop.

Average yearly peak brightness loss during the last three years: (12.5+18.7+9.2)/3= 13.5 %.

Therefore the TC-P55VT50 expected white level (e. w. l.): 25.12 x 0.865 =21.73 footlamberts.

If somebody give me the plasma HDTVs minimal required bright level (m. r. b. l.), then I calculate the year, when Panasonic closes all plasma tvs manufacturing plants. (I. e. when e. w. l. < m. r. b. l.)

There is a rumor I read online that panasonic will be incorporating a new technology into their 2012 lineup that will give LED like brightness.
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I'm not quite sure therein:

Home Theater Magazine took measurements over years Panasonic plasmas white level:

TH-50PZ800U: 38.4.

TC-P58V10 : 33.57:

There has been a 12.5 % decrease in peak bright level.

TC-P50VT25 : 27.3:

18.7 % decline.

TC-P55VT30 : 25.12 (footlamberts):

9.2 % drop.

Average yearly peak brightness loss during the last three years: (12.5+18.7+9.2)/3= 13.5 %.

Therefore the TC-P55VT50 expected white level (e. w. l.): 25.12 x 0.865 =21.73 footlamberts.

If somebody give me the plasma HDTVs minimal required bright level (m. r. b. l.), then I calculate the year, when Panasonic closes all plasma tvs manufacturing plants. (I. e. when e. w. l. < m. r. b. l.)

Your numbers are flawed as Panasonics drive circuits work completely different on the VT25 and 30 compared to the V10. The VT25 and 30 are actually brighter than the V10.
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I am facing this dilemma as well.

This will be my first plasma so I am leaning towards just getting the VT30 now instead of waiting for the new model. Is the improvement really going to be that noticeable?

And does anyone know when the VT30 will be available at a fantastic price? I want the 50inch model, think it might come down further in price in January?
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Your numbers are flawed as Panasonics drive circuits work completely different on the VT25 and 30 compared to the V10. The VT25 and 30 are actually brighter than the V10.

FlatpanelsHD have measured yearly V10, VT20/VT25 and VT30 peak brightness, to determine the calibrated contrast ratio.

The measured values are:

V10: 106 cd/m2;

VT20/VT25: 83 cd/m2;

VT30: 89 cd/m2.

This values give a false impression of what the drive circuits works is actually about.

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FlatpanelsHD have measured yearly V10, VT20/VT25 and VT30 peak brightness, to determine the calibrated contrast ratio.

The measured values are:

V10: 106 cd/m2;

VT20/VT25: 83 cd/m2;

VT30: 89 cd/m2.

This values give a false impression of what the drive circuits works is actually about.

Are you aware of how the drive circuits in the VT25 and 30? Yes or No.
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If they come out with new panasonic 2012s, they should give us unhappy vt30 customers a free upgrade to the newest model. Mine just doesn't look right, very unhappy. Its such a dull picture, lack of sharpness, and color. I hate my VT30.
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Has your tv been calibrated? D-Nice can help you with that.
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Your numbers are flawed as Panasonics drive circuits work completely different on the VT25 and 30 compared to the V10. The VT25 and 30 are actually brighter than the V10.

I don't know the precise Panasonic's plasmas driving method. For that matter you know?

The driving method affects only energy efficiency in the field of brightness.

What is i n s i d e the fluorescent light tube determines the peak brightness level.

Flogging a dead horse.

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I don't know the precise Panasonic's plasmas driving method. For that matter you know?

The driving method affects only energy efficiency in the field of brightness.

What is i n s i d e the fluorescent light tube determines the peak brightness level.

Flogging a dead horse.

Your wrong. Their driving method causes false measurement perception with standard window patterns. 26fL on the VT25 and especially 30 does not actually equate to 26fL. It's more like 37fL.

If one were to calibrate all three of those panels to 35fL with standard patterns, the VT25 and 30 will look brighter because of the above.
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If they come out with new panasonic 2012s, they should give us unhappy vt30 customers a free upgrade to the newest model. Mine just doesn't look right, very unhappy. Its such a dull picture, lack of sharpness, and color. I hate my VT30.

Why did you buy it then?
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If they come out with new panasonic 2012s, they should give us unhappy vt30 customers a free upgrade to the newest model. Mine just doesn't look right, very unhappy. Its such a dull picture, lack of sharpness, and color. I hate my VT30.

You're the only one. You need to get it calibrated (or at least use D-Nice's settings). Or maybe you're just an LCD person who prefers bright, artificial PQ.
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Your wrong. Their driving method causes false measurement perception with standard window patterns. 26fL on the VT25 and especially 30 does not actually equate to 26fL. It's more like 37fL.

If one were to calibrate all three of those panels to 35fL with standard patterns, the VT25 and 30 will look brighter because of the above.

It is impossible that 26 fL equal to 37 fL!

The physics don't know that kind of phenomenon. If you are in the right, then ain't light meter in the world, which could measure the light emission of an Panasonic VT30 plasma screen. - They will certainly measure out my Samsung B550's brightness!

Purkinje effect describe the difference between sensations for red and blue in different lighting conditions. That's all.

The idea of 'Panasonic effects' exist only in the mind of in no way of me.

Believe you me!

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