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Debating between Panasonic 65ST30 or Samsung 64D7000. The Samsung is about $180 more. Any opinions on the decision are much appreciated.
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I was torn between the pn59d6500 and the 60st30.
I chose the Samsung for it's accurate colors and better blacks.
Of course it looks better and even has Bluetooth 3d glasses. It is no contest.
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Panasonic has better blacks.
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Panasonic has better blacks.

Not the ST30. Not when I saw them in Best Buy. The gray scale is gray-greenish scale.
and I spent over an hour trying to get rid of it and could not. Also the ST30 showed lots of dithering in dark areas, once again green dots dithering over the dark area.
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are you serious ? How in the world you going to compare a tv by looking it at the store? The TVs are all on demo store mode.. Panasonic is a much better product. Check out the 60" ST30 at FRYs it might be still on sale for 1099.00 and amazon will match it.
The D8000 is the only tv id take over the ST30 or GT30. VT30 is top
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anti-reflective filter is better on the D7000 than the GT30 (and therefore the ST30). D6500's antifreflective filter is more similar to the ST30.
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Good luck with the screen peeling on the inside and the overheating plus flimsy stand , and piss poor customer service. Id get the 60 ST30 for 1099.00 Frys.com
2012 panasonics are coming out in 2-3 months.
Id wait to dump 1700-2500 into a tv.
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Not the ST30. Not when I saw them in Best Buy. The gray scale is gray-greenish scale.
and I spent over an hour trying to get rid of it and could not. Also the ST30 showed lots of dithering in dark areas, once again green dots dithering over the dark area.

LOL Seriously, do not judge any display at BB.

The 65ST30 MLL is around .004 on average where as the 64D7000 is around .007. Not a huge difference, but is noticeable in a dark room based on my experience.

The Samsung will have the edge in color accuracy if you get it pro cal'd.

However, I would make sure Samsung fixes the fb before ever purchasing it.

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LOL Seriously, do not judge any display at BB.

The 65ST30 MLL is around .004 on average where as the 64D7000 is around .007. Not a huge difference, but is noticeable in a dark room based on my experience.

The Samsung will have the edge in color accuracy if you get it pro cal'd.

However, I would make sure Samsung fixes the fb before ever purchasing it.

plus i would not trust their customer service. At least panasonic acknowledges and will fix FB issues . All the new tvs being built are pretty much fixed. I just got a july build and it was fixed. If i could get into a 64" D7000 for 1500-1700 id jump into it and hope it doesnt peel on the inside due to the heat after the 30 day return policy runs out. I am not big on korean products but i do have a little respect for them trying to compete with panasonic. If i bought a Samsung plasma i dont think id keep it over a year and i would definitively buy a square trade warrenty through amazon
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Good luck with the screen peeling on the inside and the overheating plus flimsy stand , and piss poor customer service. Id get the 60 ST30 for 1099.00 Frys.com
2012 panasonics are coming out in 2-3 months.
Id wait to dump 1700-2500 into a tv.

2012 Panasonic's are coming next month for the most part.
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are you serious ? How in the world you going to compare a tv by looking it at the store? The TVs are all on demo store mode.. Panasonic is a much better product. Check out the 60" ST30 at FRYs it might be still on sale for 1099.00 and amazon will match it.
The D8000 is the only tv id take over the ST30 or GT30. VT30 is top

the st30 is not a "much better product" than the d7000, that's just brutally ignorant.
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2012 Panasonic's are coming next month for the most part.

March most likely according to dealers.

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March most likely according to dealers.

Not according to Robert Zohn
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Some conflicting info here:

The Panasonic will have better blacks, but probably only in dark room viewing. The Samsung will have equal or maybe even better blacks/contrast during the day due to its filter.

The Samsung will have better color and be able to go a little bit brighter. The ST30 has some color issues when the panel is pushed in brightness.
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The d7000 is superior. I have both a 51 d7000 and a 50 st30 in my house right now. The st30 has better blacks but d7000 has much better color and handles motion better. The d7000 also seems brighter. Image retention is less noticeable on the st30 but still there. I would pick the d7000 hands down.
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Some conflicting info here:

The Panasonic will have better blacks, but probably only in dark room viewing. The Samsung will have equal or maybe even better blacks/contrast during the day due to its filter.
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The ST30 has a nice filter. Really no different than the 7000 Samsung. Holds blacks as well as a plasma can in ambient light.
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Not according to Robert Zohn

It depends on which screen size and which model (ST/GT/VT). The larger screen and higher end models come out a bit later and will not all be out next month. He will tell you the same.

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It depends on which screen size and which model (ST/GT/VT). The larger screen and higher end models come out a bit later and will not all be out next month. He will tell you the same.

65VT50 - May
55VT50 - April

65GT50 - ?
60GT50 - April
55GT50 - March
50GT50 - February

65ST50 - ?
60ST50 - February
55ST50 - February
50ST50 - February

I was off by saying "for the most part", but they are coming quickly. Some next month.
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Some conflicting info here:

The Panasonic will have better blacks, but probably only in dark room viewing. The Samsung will have equal or maybe even better blacks/contrast during the day due to its filter.

The Samsung will have better color and be able to go a little bit brighter. The ST30 has some color issues when the panel is pushed in brightness.
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I have the D6500 and I am actually surprised at the black level during daylight viewing. It is so much better than I have experienced on any other TV.
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LOL Seriously, do not judge any display at BB.

The 65ST30 MLL is around .004 on average where as the 64D7000 is around .007. Not a huge difference, but is noticeable in a dark room based on my experience.

The Samsung will have the edge in color accuracy if you get it pro cal'd.

However, I would make sure Samsung fixes the fb before ever purchasing it.

I say take a look at this chart before throwing numbers around



http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...and-Whites.htm
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the st30 is not a "much better product" than the d7000, that's just brutally ignorant.

Ok so i guess you would rather own a Kia then a Honda
thats cool
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Not the ST30. Not when I saw them in Best Buy. The gray scale is gray-greenish scale.
and I spent over an hour trying to get rid of it and could not. Also the ST30 showed lots of dithering in dark areas, once again green dots dithering over the dark area.

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LOL Seriously, do not judge any display at BB.

The 65ST30 MLL is around .004 on average where as the 64D7000 is around .007. Not a huge difference, but is noticeable in a dark room based on my experience.

The Samsung will have the edge in color accuracy if you get it pro cal'd.

However, I would make sure Samsung fixes the fb before ever purchasing it.

Let me put it this way.
With the crappy signal that BB was feeding the Televisions, the Samsung performed much better than the Panasonic.

Maybe with a better signal the Panasonic might perform good, but this tells me that I can throw a bad video at the samsung and still tolerate it.
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Ok so i guess you would rather own a Kia then a Honda
thats cool

I'd easily take the new Kia Optima over the stupid new Accord or the civic. Honda is going down the drain and it shows.
2 years ago I would not have said this.
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I say take a look at this chart before throwing numbers around



http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...and-Whites.htm

That website has gotten some quite unique results. Most websites have the D7 and D8 much closer to eachother as you would expect. black levels marginally better on the VT30.
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LOL Seriously, do not judge any display at BB.

The 65ST30 MLL is around .004 on average where as the 64D7000 is around .007. Not a huge difference, but is noticeable in a dark room based on my experience.

The Samsung will have the edge in color accuracy if you get it pro cal'd.

However, I would make sure Samsung fixes the fb before ever purchasing it.

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Let me put it this way.
With the crappy signal that BB was feeding the Televisions, the Samsung performed much better than the Panasonic.

Maybe with a better signal the Panasonic might perform good, but this tells me that I can throw a bad video at the samsung and still tolerate it.

Now you're just talking out of your...

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I say take a look at this chart before throwing numbers around



http://www.televisioninfo.com/conten...and-Whites.htm

The numbers I listed are from reputable sources.

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The numbers I listed are from reputable sources.

Yea I don't trust that televisioninfo site either. I think the confusion is that they are reporting in cd/m2.....and the other numbers (.004/.005 vs .007/.008) are in ftL.

They are also noting black level differences between the d7000 and d8000 that don't exist.

They also noticed LCD-like viewing angles with the D8000 plasma .....another suspect observation.
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