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Thanks! Now at BB, (who holds my $700 in their hands), I have two options and time is running out :

1. A 2012 UT50 50" @999.00 or
2. A 2011 ST30 55" @1199.00

I know that nobody can directly compare these two sets because they are different sizes, model and year. However, I am hoping DNICE can speculate based on what he has seen of the new ST50.

I cannot deal with the FBr levels that my S30 has and would also like a set that has more accurate colors out of the box. Can you guys help me with which might be a better choice? I calibrate all of my tv's with DVE and watch only in Cinema mode, as I prefer natural, realistic colors and the sharpest picture possible. I do not intend to invest in a professional calibration unless the set proves to not exhibit other nasty flawes like horizontal banding and FBr. I have found the AR level acceptable on my S30, as I have a fairly well controlled environment if that will help you steer me in the right direction.

Bottom line, I cannot afford a dime more than the $1200 for the 55" ST30 and the extra 5" in screen size is not a motivating factor for me. I am concerned strictly with the performance of the tv.

Thank You very much for your time.

Based on this I would say go with the ST50. It's cheaper, and it sounds to have better motion, resulting in less artifacts.

The St30 is $1200, with tax that will make it over a hundred more.

Use the savings from the ST50 and get a good bias light.
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Did you mean to say go with the UT50

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Based on this I would say go with the ST50. It's cheaper, and it sounds to have better motion, resulting in less artifacts.

The St30 is $1200, with tax that will make it over a hundred more.

Use the savings from the ST50 and get a good bias light.

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Did you mean to say go with the UT50

Oooops. Thanks D.
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D-Nice in the history of plasma panel it was a generation of tv that had zero floating/fluctuation black/white ?
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D-Nice in the history of plasma panel it was a generation of tv that had zero floating/fluctuation black/white ?

I know he has a Kuro So he should know. But the answer is yes. I've seen 'em. The recent energy-savings protocols from Cali are part of the problem.
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D-Nice in the history of plasma panel it was a generation of tv that had zero floating/fluctuation black/white ?

There have been plently from mulitple manufacturers.
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Apparently all of the 2012 lineup should be out before the end of april: Panasonic via The Verge. Good news, because I original heard the VT50s wouldn't be out until May.
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Panasonic press release today details.
The first Smart VIERA® Plasma series to hit the market features self illuminating panels with deep black levels and Neo Plasma technologies, providing an Infinite Black Filter with a high efficiency panel that generates the best balance of black and white under bright environments. Select 2012 models employ the NeoPlasma Black 2500 (VT/GT/ST), a two million pixel dimming driver, a new custom driver LSI and a fast switching phosphor panel on all of Panasonic's 1080p 3D models.



The ST50 series is the first of Panasonic's highly regarded Plasma HDTVs to ship. The TC-P50ST50, 50-inch class (49.9 inches measured diagonally) and the TC-P55ST50, 55-inch class (55.1 inches measured diagonally) are now available, while the TC-P60ST50, 60-inch class (60.1 inches measured diagonally) and the TC-P65ST50, 65-inch class (64.7 inches measured diagonally) will be available later this month and in April respectively. The ST50 models include the Infinite Black Pro Panel; Full HD 3D; VIERA Connect with a web browser and built-in WiFi; 1080p Full HD resolution; 2500 FFD (Focused Field Drive); fast switching phosphors; 2D → 3D conversion; Social Networking TV which allows the user to simultaneously view a program on the TV and connect with their Twitter and/or Facebook account on the same screen ; 3D Real Sound with 8-train speakers -eight dome type micro speakers with reflectors that deliver wide ranging, high quality sound; a new louver filter; Media Player; Bluetooth; DLNA; VIERA Link; three HDMI connections and two USB ports.



There are four screen sizes in the Full HD 3D UT50 series - the TC-P42UT50, 42-inch class (41.9 inches measured diagonally) and the TC-P50UT50, 50-inch class (49.9 inches measured diagonally) will be available later this month. The TC-P55UT50, 55-inch class (55.1 inches measured diagonally) and the TC-P60UT50, 60-inch class (60.1 inches measured diagonally) will be available in April and May, respectively. All offer Full HD 3D; 1080p Full HD resolution; VIERA Connect (WiFi ready); 2500 FFD (Focused Field Drive); fast switching phosphors; 2D → 3D conversion; Social Networking TV; Media Player; Bluetooth; DLNA; VIERA Link; two HDMI connections and two USB ports.



The XT50 series provides the consumer with an affordable 3D solution and the Online Movies feature, a service that provides select Panasonic IPTV functionality by adding five of the most popular movie sites to the TV's internet functionality. The TC-P50XT50, 50-inch class (49.9 inches measured diagonally) produces 720p resolution and features 2D → 3D conversion; 600 Hz subfield drive; Bluetooth; Media Player; DLNA; VIERA Link; two HDMI and two USB connections and will be available this month.



Panasonic's move to larger LED screen sizes is evident in the E50 Series, featuring the IPS LED panel, a slim design and brilliant picture. The E50 is available in three screen sizes. The TC-L42E50, 42-inch class (42 inches measured diagonally) shipped in February, while the TC-L47E50, 47-inch class (47 inches measured diagonally) and the TC-L55E50, 55-inch class (54.6 inches measured diagonally) will be available later this month. Featuring 360 backlight scanning for higher moving picture resolution during fast action scenes, and a crisp image, the E50 models also feature1080p resolution; VIERA Connect; Social Networking TV function; DLNA; a PC input; four HDMI terminals and two USB ports. The series is Wi-Fi ready and Energy Star certified.



The ET5 Series signals Panasonic's initial entry into the polarized 3D arena. The TC-L47ET5, 47-inch class (47 inches measured diagonally) and the TC-L55ET5, 55-inch class (54.6 inches measured diagonally) ship this month while the TC-L42ET5, 42-inch class (42 inches measured diagonally) ships in April. The ET5 models incorporate the IPS LED panel; 360 backlight scanning for higher moving picture resolution during fast action scenes, and a smooth, crisp image; VIERA Connect with built-in WiFi and browser; 2D → 3D conversion; Social Networking TV function; Media Player; DLNA; four HDMI and two USB terminals and a PC input. Furthermore, each of the ET5s comes with 4 pairs of polarized 3D glasses. The ET5 series is also Energy Star certified.



The four LED HDTVs in the E5 series - available this month - include the IPS LED panel and feature 1080p resolution; Online Movies; DLNA; four HDMI terminals; two USB ports and a PC input. The TC-L32E5, 32-inch class (31.5 inches measured diagonally), TC-L37E5, 37-inch class (36.5 inches measured diagonally), TC-L42E5, 42-inch class (42 inches measured diagonally) and TC-L47E5-inch class (47 inches measured diagonally) are Wi-Fi ready and are Energy Star certified.



Also available this month is the TC-L32X5, a 32-inch class (31.5 inches measured diagonally) model. Featuring the IPS LED panel, the L32X5 includes three HDMI and one USB connection. The LED HDTV also incorporates a SD Memory card slot, allowing the user to view digital still images and video recorded on a SD card.



Panasonic's top of the line Plasma series, the VT50 and GT50 will be available later this month and in April. The top of the line LED models will begin shipping this month - the TC-L47DT50 ships later this month, the TC-L55DT50 ships in April and the TC-L55WT50 and the TC-L47WT50 will be available in May.
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Thanks! Now at BB, (who holds my $700 in their hands), I have two options and time is running out :

1. A 2012 UT50 50" @999.00 or
2. A 2011 ST30 55" @1199.00

I know that nobody can directly compare these two sets because they are different sizes, model and year. However, I am hoping DNICE can speculate based on what he has seen of the new ST50.

I cannot deal with the FBr levels that my S30 has and would also like a set that has more accurate colors out of the box. Can you guys help me with which might be a better choice? I calibrate all of my tv's with DVE and watch only in Cinema mode, as I prefer natural, realistic colors and the sharpest picture possible. I do not intend to invest in a professional calibration unless the set proves to not exhibit other nasty flawes like horizontal banding and FBr. I have found the AR level acceptable on my S30, as I have a fairly well controlled environment if that will help you steer me in the right direction.

Bottom line, I cannot afford a dime more than the $1200 for the 55" ST30 and the extra 5" in screen size is not a motivating factor for me. I am concerned strictly with the performance of the tv.

Thank You very much for your time.

Sears has the 55st30 for $999.00 see if BB will price match or buy it from sears.
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I just saw this posted over on HDJ. Panasonic press releases regarding 2012 availability. Thanks to Jason over there for posting the link.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/09/p...ts-2012-hdtvs/

Sounds promising. Might be watching a VT50 sooner than we thought if this holds up.
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Just read this post on another forum by Robert Zohn who says it's not true. Here's the post.

"Just wanted to let everyone know the articles and a/v forums that are saying 65" VT50s will be available the end of March are all incorrect. I'm a direct dealer and confirmed with Panasonic headquarters that the dates on my side, mid May are correct.

Some of the misunderstanding came from Panasonic's own press release that was not clearly written, but if you read it carefully you would interrupt it to be the very end of April for one of the VT50s. It's possible that we might be lucky to see a very limited quantity of 55" VT50s the week of April 30, if we're real lucky. 65" VT50 will follow two to three weeks later.

-Robert"
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Just read this post on another forum by Robert Zohn who says it's not true. Here's the post.

"Just wanted to let everyone know the articles and a/v forums that are saying 65" VT50s will be available the end of March are all incorrect. I'm a direct dealer and confirmed with Panasonic headquarters that the dates on my side, mid May are correct.

Some of the misunderstanding came from Panasonic's own press release that was not clearly written, but if you read it carefully you would interrupt it to be the very end of April for one of the VT50s. It's possible that we might be lucky to see a very limited quantity of 55" VT50s the week of April 30, if we're real lucky. 65" VT50 will follow two to three weeks later.

-Robert"

Yeah, it was a very confusing press release. "Panasonic's top of the line Plasma series, the VT50 and GT50 will be available later this month and in April. " So I guess that's suppose to mean one of the GTs might be available later this month and one of the VTs by the end of April?
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@Wizziwig: For all your battering of plasmas, what is it you'd recommend instead?
It's not like we can buy 50"+ 16x9 CRTs.

Btw, and I'm just talking out of my butt here, but I remember reading at one point that the S30 exhibited a more vibrant picture than the ST30 because it lacked the infinite black filter.

I'm wondering with the on-bias viewing issues that seems to be in the ST50's and darker picture, perhaps the UT50 might be the better display this year, provided you can darken the room suitably.

Can anyone comment?

Also, DNice, how is the review coming along? I recall a comment about where to read it, but it was cryptic. If it's finished but the link is forbidden, can you PM me?

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@Wizziwig: For all your battering of plasmas, what is it you'd recommend instead?
It's not like we can buy 50"+ 16x9 CRTs.

Not sure why you think I'm battering plasmas. I'm actually a fan of the tech and prefer them over LCD. But each display tech has it's own set of issues/limitations that people should be aware of before making a purchase.

If you're not sensitive to phosphor-lag like 99% of the population, I would go plasma all the way. These new 50 series models are very close to CRT motion quality and better in most other regards (perfect geometry, huge screen, perfect focus/convergence, etc.).
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Yeah, it was a very confusing press release. "Panasonic's top of the line Plasma series, the VT50 and GT50 will be available later this month and in April. " So I guess that's suppose to mean one of the GTs might be available later this month and one of the VTs by the end of April?

Engadget.com reports That indeed the VT50 will be out in April. End of March for the GT50. This is still earlier than the projected mid May to June release.

Not giving the Samsung two months of early sales. Samsung New E8000 series have shown already a 30% drop in black levels, According to Home Theater Mag early tests.
This must be making Panasonic nervous as they have closed the gap in black levels. Already sammie panels have better colors.
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The Engadget report is just a summary of the official press release, so their interpretation is probably no more likely to be accurate than anybody elses.
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Not sure why you think I'm battering plasmas. I'm actually a fan of the tech and prefer them over LCD. But each display tech has it's own set of issues/limitations that people should be aware of before making a purchase.

If you're not sensitive to phosphor-lag like 99% of the population, I would go plasma all the way. These new 50 series models are very close to CRT motion quality and better in most other regards (perfect geometry, huge screen, perfect focus/convergence, etc.).

@Wizziwig or Dnice or anybody else of-course; does samsung, LG or panasonic have an advantage over each other in phosphor-lag or are they all pretty close?

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Sears has the 55st30 for $999.00 see if BB will price match or buy it from sears.
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Thanks for the tip! Not sure how easy it will be for me to get my money back from BB, but I will try.
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@Wizziwig or Dnice or anybody else of-course; does samsung, LG or panasonic have an advantage over each other in phosphor-lag or are they all pretty close?

I can comment on the 2011 models only but the Samsung D series (D550 an upper) have much less phosphor trailing than Panasonics (ST30 and upper).

I very rarely noticed this on my old D550 and even then it was very mild (close to nothing).
With this Panasonic G30, I often (ah, well, once or twice during a gaming session...) have "acid flashback"-style moments during video games like "what was that???", "ohh, nothing, just some green phosphor trails".

But I see this with video games only (and OS desktops when I move windows), I can't remember if I ever saw this kind of green phosphor trailing with any kind of movies (not even with fast action movie scenes) on any of Samsung or Panasonic 2011 PDPs.
And even though the Panasonic is worse for video games in some areas (noticably more phoshphor trailing, worse quality dithering for real 60Hz motion, etc), I am still happier with this one.
I hoped Panasonic will improve this in 2012 though...

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I can comment on the 2011 models only but the Samsung D series (D550 an upper) have much less phosphor trailing than Panasonics (ST30 and upper).

I very rarely noticed this on my old D550 and even then it was very mild (close to nothing).
With this Panasonic G30, I often (ah, well, once or twice during a gaming session...) have "acid flashback"-style moments during video games like "what was that???", "ohh, nothing, just some green phosphor trails".

But I see this with video games only (and OS desktops when I move windows), I can't remember if I ever saw this kind of green phosphor trailing with any kind of movies (not even with fast action movie scenes) on any of Samsung or Panasonic 2011 PDPs.
And even though the Panasonic is worse for video games in some areas (noticably more phoshphor trailing, worse quality dithering for real 60Hz motion, etc), I am still happier with this one.
I hoped Panasonic will improve this in 2012 though...

I always see more phosphor lag on Panasonic than I do Samsung. I find the simple act of slightly moving my eyes across the screen on a Panasonic reveals phosphor trails; I don't see this on a Samsung (or at least nowhere near as much). I swear there is something about the way Panasonic plasmas drives themselves that causes this issue for me. I'm waiting for Best Buy to get a 2012 ST panels in, so I can see if this is still an issue for me. I know I'm not the only one here that has phosphor issues with Panasonic panels.
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I always see more phosphor lag on Panasonic than I do Samsung. I find the simple act of slightly moving my eyes across the screen on a Panasonic reveals phosphor trails; I don't see this on a Samsung (or at least nowhere near as much). I swear there is something about the way Panasonic plasmas drives themselves that causes this issue for me. I'm waiting for Best Buy to get a 2012 ST panels in, so I can see if this is still an issue for me. I know I'm not the only one here that has phosphor issues with Panasonic panels.

They're claiming that this year (well the VT50 at least) has an "all-new" driving method, so I wonder if this might clean up the phosphor lag issues that you describe.

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Well, I exchanged the S30 for a 55" ST30 today Picked it up for $999.00 so I think it is a great deal at that.

Thanks to all who have helped me make this decision. With a December build date, do you think the FBr patch has already been installed?
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Dnice:

I read earlier in this thread that you might be abandoning the break-in process with the slides for the 2012 models. I have two questions for you:

1. Should I still use the break in slides for my new 55ST30?
2. Should I avoid using the 3D function for the first 200 hours?

Thanks!
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Well, I exchanged the S30 for a 55" ST30 today Picked it up for $999.00 so I think it is a great deal at that.

Thanks to all who have helped me make this decision. With a December build date, do you think the FBr patch has already been installed?

For anyone whose local Sears is out of these, Amazon has them for the same price and free shipping. They also have some 46" and 65" at a pretty good price too.

Personally, I'm a bit afraid to get an ST30 since the only review I've seen for the ST50 described the improvements over 2011's models as very significant.

Sure it'll save (a lot of) money, but I don't want to regret my purchase afterwards.

Hopefully we'll see some more reviews and head to head testing of 2011 vs 2012, ST vs UT vs GT, and ST0s versus Sammy.

Oh, dtbreen76, I see no reason why a December model wouldn't have the FBr fix.

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I read earlier in this thread that you might be abandoning the break-in process with the slides for the 2012 models. I have two questions for you:

1. Should I still use the break in slides for my new 55ST30?
2. Should I avoid using the 3D function for the first 200 hours?

Thanks!

What I stated has nothing to do with the ST30 or any other 2011 display. If you are going to use my settings, follow the guidelines that are already in place.
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For anyone whose local Sears is out of these, Amazon has them for the same price and free shipping. They also have some 46" and 65" at a pretty good price too.

Personally, I'm a bit afraid to get an ST30 since the only review I've seen for the ST50 described the improvements over 2011's models as very significant.

Sure it'll save (a lot of) money, but I don't want to regret my purchase afterwards.

Hopefully we'll see some more reviews and head to head testing of 2011 vs 2012, ST vs UT vs GT, and ST0s versus Sammy.

Oh, dtbreen76, I see no reason why a December model wouldn't have the FBr fix.

Thanks DoctorM, I hope you are right, as the major reason I returned the S30 was due to FBr that Panasonic did not want to address with the S30.

I am sure that buying 2012 model will yield significant improvements, as 2011 seems like it was a bad year for Panny Plasmas. However, I was on a tight budget right now and so a 55ST30 with all of it's warts seemed to be worth the additional $300 over my 50S30.

I have read that the AR filter on the ST is a substantial improvement over the S30, however, my environment must not have needed it as I don't see a huge difference. I will say that the picture does seem to be a bit nicer overall though.
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What I stated has nothing to do with the ST30 or any other 2011 display. If you are going to use my settings, follow the guidelines that are already in place.

Thanks DNice! You are very helpful. So 3D content is ok during the first 200 hours?
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Thanks DNice! You are very helpful. So 3D content is ok during the first 200 hours?

If you plan on using my settings, no. Otherwise you can watch whatever you like
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