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I just don't see the point of the GT50. I just completed 5.5 hours of additional calibration time with the ST50 and it is truly a beast. Its colors are better than last year's VT30 (I got the colors to look very close to my reference PRO-101FD), blacks are inky and due to the additional brightness in certain APLs, the blacks actually look blacker than they actually measure. I recommend getting the ST50 and use the saved money to get it calibrated. Just make sure you get it done by someone who really has experirence with the displays as standard calibration methods do not apply with these displays... not even the 2011 Panasonic calibration "tricks" are applicable.

Sounds impressive! Very curious to hear how the 65VT50 will be now.

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I just don't see the point of the GT50. I just completed 5.5 hours of additional calibration time with the ST50 and it is truly a beast. Its colors are better than last year's VT30 (I got the colors to look very close to my reference PRO-101FD), blacks are inky and due to the additional brightness in certain APLs, the blacks actually look blacker than they actually measure. I recommend getting the ST50 and use the saved money to get it calibrated. Just make sure you get it done by someone who really has experirence with the displays as standard calibration methods do not apply with these displays... not even the 2011 Panasonic calibration "tricks" are applicable.

Certainly some definitive (all be they early) statements from folks about the quality of the 2012 Panasonics.

I presume you have not had the opportunity to thoroughly review a GT50, right?

Let's hope Panasonic gets their act together and produces enough of these and we don't end up with post-christmas scarcity like we did last year.
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What about 96Hz in the VT? I THOUGHT that 24p was an important feature to me, since watching mostly classic ('90s and earlier) 24fps films on Blu-Ray would be my primary use for a new tv--I wanted the films I was watching to be as film-like as they possibly could. But most of what I see in regards to opinions on 24p playback is that it more or less is like the interpolation motion-smoothing "soap opera effect" features of 120Hz LCD sets and hurts the image and motion more than it helps it. Anything more concrete you can tell me? I was pretty set on saving for the VT50 but I'm just thinking on not bothering and going with the ST50. 96Hz I thought was the one feature that would be worth the price difference, but if that's still a wash, I can't see much other benefit to justify the huge jump in price (as well as waiting time).

ST50's looking more and more like the way to go for me...unless a comparably-priced Samsung can one-up Panasonic...lol I'm so undecided and it seems like the more research I do the more undecided I am haha.

The 96Hz mode on last year's VT30 was junk. Lots of visible artifacts (that you don't have to go looking for) which make it unusable. 48Hz has way too much flicker.

Hopefully Panasonic has a decent 96Hz mode in this year's VT50, but if they don't improve it, it's not a selling point as it is unusable in my opinion (and many others).
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The TH-50PF11UK came out four years ago at the same price point as a VT and has no problem displaying 96 Hz (if there is any DFC it's something you have to really search for). Are we really still having this conversation? Surely Panasonic has found a way with all this 5 lumen tech and faster sub fields to include a satisfactory 96 Hz feature in their flagship consumer-grade plasma by now?
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The TH-50PF11UK came out four years ago at the same price point as a VT and has no problem displaying 96 Hz (if there is any DFC it's something you have to really search for). Are we really still having this conversation? Surely Panasonic has found a way with all this 5 lumen tech and faster sub fields to include a satisfactory 96 Hz feature in their flagship consumer-grade plasma by now?

One would think.......... and who you callin' surely?
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The TH-50PF11UK came out four years ago at the same price point as a VT and has no problem displaying 96 Hz (if there is any DFC it's something you have to really search for). Are we really still having this conversation? Surely Panasonic has found a way with all this 5 lumen tech and faster sub fields to include a satisfactory 96 Hz feature in their flagship consumer-grade plasma by now?

Not as of 2011. Any of the pros will tell you 96Hz mode has too many artifacts to be watchable. The first movie I tried in 96Hz on my VT30 displayed visible artifacts within a few minutes. I switched to 60Hz mode and the artifacts went away (not that 60Hz mode when fed a 24p signal is perfect either).
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I just don't see the point of the GT50. I just completed 5.5 hours of additional calibration time with the ST50 and it is truly a beast.

Are you still only using the standard adjustments, NOT the service menu?

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Are you still only using the standard adjustments, NOT the service menu?

There is no reason to go into the SM on these displays unless you wanted to calibrate Cinema mode.
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Now that we're discussing framerates and since you always are so informed, D-nice, I'm very curious about your thoughts about tv's implementing support for native 1080p60 hz or the like in the near future.

I know a lot of people are hoping for this this but there is a remarkable silence from the TV-companies. Primary use would be for the coming video games and a potential support for the coming movies that are filmed in this way (the Hobbit and Avatar 2)

Is it likely that it will come or do you think that the actual technology itself is a bottleneck that prevents this?
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The TH-50PF11UK came out four years ago at the same price point as a VT and has no problem displaying 96 Hz (if there is any DFC it's something you have to really search for). Are we really still having this conversation? Surely Panasonic has found a way with all this 5 lumen tech and faster sub fields to include a satisfactory 96 Hz feature in their flagship consumer-grade plasma by now?

5 lumen tech does not exist in any Panasonic display on the market.
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Sounds like I need to throw my 65ST30 in the garbage can.
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Sounds like I need to throw my 65ST30 in the garbage can.

Tell me where that's at, so I can be watching for it.
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I'm very curious about your thoughts about tv's implementing support for native 1080p60 hz or the like in the near future

I'm not really a gamer nor do I know of any movie that will be using 1080p/60 (1080p/48 is what Peter Jackson and James Cameron will use), so I don't have any thoughts on 1080p/60.
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Now that we're discussing framerates and since you always are so informed, D-nice, I'm very curious about your thoughts about tv's implementing support for native 1080p60 hz or the like in the near future.

I know a lot of people are hoping for this this but there is a remarkable silence from the TV-companies. Primary use would be for the coming video games and a potential support for the coming movies that are filmed in this way (the Hobbit and Avatar 2)

Is it likely that it will come or do you think that the actual technology itself is a bottleneck that prevents this?

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My Xboxes and PS3 output 1080p/60hz and every tv in my house accepts and displays it...

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There is no reason to go into the SM on these displays unless you wanted to calibrate Cinema mode.

Thank you! Sounds pretty good for the user controls. Guess I will have to get over my dislike of the ST50's looks. Maybe after I see it in person.

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Sounds like I need to throw my 65ST30 in the garbage can.

lol

Yeah, I bought my 65ST30 knowing damned well the ST50 would be a nice improvement, but I was starting to hate the picture quality on my SXRD and got the 65ST30 for a great price and really do enjoy it. If there are some ridiculous end of year prices on a 65ST50 in a year from now (such as Fry's $1499 65ST30/65GT30 deal fairly recently), I may be tempted assuming I could get $1000-1200 for my 65ST30 on Craigslist. But I will stop thinking that far ahead. There's always something better every year anyway. The tortures of this hobby.

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I just don't see the point of the GT50. I just completed 5.5 hours of additional calibration time with the ST50 and it is truly a beast. Its colors are better than last year's VT30 (I got the colors to look very close to my reference PRO-101FD), blacks are inky and due to the additional brightness in certain APLs, the blacks actually look blacker than they actually measure. I recommend getting the ST50 and use the saved money to get it calibrated. Just make sure you get it done by someone who really has experirence with the displays as standard calibration methods do not apply with these displays... not even the 2011 Panasonic calibration "tricks" are applicable.

Do you recall from previous callibration how the ST50 compares to the GT30?
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DNice,

I see a lot of people knock Panasonic on their "color accuracy" vs. Samsung. Can you explain your opinion on this? I always assumed that if you're able to properly calibrate a set, color accuracy can be achieved.

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DNice,

I see a lot of people knock Panasonic on their "color accuracy" vs. Samsung. Can you explain your opinion on this? I always assumed that if you're able to properly calibrate a set, color accuracy can be achieved.

No, some sets are just unable to be calibrated properly. Think of it like the adjustments under your drivers seat-- you have individual controls but any one adjustment can throw another off. I'm sure a calibrator of Dnice's stature would be able to do wonders but even some displays are beyond his powers...

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Not as of 2011. Any of the pros will tell you 96Hz mode has too many artifacts to be watchable. The first movie I tried in 96Hz on my VT30 displayed visible artifacts within a few minutes. I switched to 60Hz mode and the artifacts went away (not that 60Hz mode when fed a 24p signal is perfect either).

I read Kuro had an additional 72hz option as opposed to the standard 48hz, 60hz, and 96hz.... What ever happened to 72hz?

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I read Kuro had 72hz as opposed to the standard 48hz, 60hz, and 96hz.... What ever happened to 72hz?

http://kuro9g.blogspot.com/2008/11/p...-mode.html?m=1

It's not so much the 72hz or 96hz, but rather the degree of sophistication in the processing and the implementation and execution. Pioneer seemed to handle 24fps conversion with aplomb at 72hz. Panasonic, whether 48hz or 96hz, ehh..... not so much.
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No, some sets are just unable to be calibrated properly. Think of it like the adjustments under your drivers seat-- you have individual controls but any one adjustment can throw another off. I'm sure a calibrator of Dnice's stature would be able to do wonders but even some displays are beyond his powers...

In that case, I'd like to see a CalMan report on the VT30 if anyone has one. I'd like to compare it to what I was able to get out of my UNxxD8000 (see sig).

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DNice,

I see a lot of people knock Panasonic on their "color accuracy" vs. Samsung. Can you explain your opinion on this? I always assumed that if you're able to properly calibrate a set, color accuracy can be achieved.

Google 2011 Flat Panel Shootout and watch the video.
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Thank you! Sounds pretty good for the user controls. Guess I will have to get over my dislike of the ST50's looks. Maybe after I see it in person.

Beyond the stand, the ST30 looks good. Looks very similar to Samsung 6500/7000 models.
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Do you recall from previous callibration how the ST50 compares to the GT30?

I have a GT30 calibration report on HDJ. You can go there and see for yourself.
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Google 2011 Flat Panel Shootout and watch the video.

This is awesome. Thanks for the tip, D-Nice!

Sorry if this has already been asked, but when is the 2012 shootout? Will you be there again? This is extremely impressive stuff.

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I just don't see the point of the GT50. I just completed 5.5 hours of additional calibration time with the ST50 and it is truly a beast. Its colors are better than last year's VT30 (I got the colors to look very close to my reference PRO-101FD), blacks are inky and due to the additional brightness in certain APLs, the blacks actually look blacker than they actually measure. I recommend getting the ST50 and use the saved money to get it calibrated. Just make sure you get it done by someone who really has experirence with the displays as standard calibration methods do not apply with these displays... not even the 2011 Panasonic calibration "tricks" are applicable.

Ill stick with the VT50 and just use my eye 1 with spectra cal software.
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I've got a Q: Panasonic made a point of advertising the 2011 ST, GT, and VT as having 'full 1080 lines of moving picture resolution', the lower models had 720 or 900 lines only. They don't seem to mention this at all with the 2012 models. Was this '1080 moving picture res' thing just marketing BS or is there something to this? I take it all the 2012 models have 'full 1080 moving picture res'?

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