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post #31 of 1640 Old 01-10-2012, 08:19 AM
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Looks like for 2012 the 3D glasses will be blue tooth only and not work with 2010 and 2011 TVs. I just invested a small fortune in the 2011 3D glasses that are IR based. Does anyone know if the 2012 plasmas will work with there own older IR based glasses as well as the new blue tooth based ones?
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Looks like for 2012 the 3D glasses will be blue tooth only and not work with 2010 and 2011 TVs. I just invested a small fortune in the 2011 3D glasses that are IR based. Does anyone know if the 2012 plasmas will work with there own older IR based glasses as well as the new blue tooth based ones?

BT only no IR, not compatible just like you wrote in your first sentence.
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well see a little more tomorrow at CES

Can you ask if they're upgraded to the new HDMI chip that can can 1080P 3D @60fps?
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Seriously. Anything larger in my modest living room would look obnoxious.

Yup. Same for me. Plus, my tv stand is the perfect width for a 50" television; anything larger would hang over each side. And I can't move back any farther than we already sit, which is already on the close end of the spectrum for 50" viewing.

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Panasonic has an 8.5 Gen OLED plant in Himeji for R&D purposes. I believe 2013 is the target date for them IIRC.

Reminds me of all the SED hype and look where that technology went. I remember people posting on there that they were even delaying their plasma purchases in order to wait for SED, LMAO. OLED is obviously way closer to prime time, but availability and then availabity at a competitive price to existing technologies are two very different things. You can get a Panasonic 50" plasma now for $549 right now (and it's rumoured the price will drop to $299 in the next 2-3 years), but the entry level price for a 55" OLED is rumoured to be between $5,000-$9,000. Even at the low end that's a LONG way from being competitive with plasma. How many years did it take for plasma to drop to to 1/10th the initial price it was offered at? 10 years!!!
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no 75" model, same thick design

I would jump on a 75" if they made one....

But too thick? Seriously?

How thin do you want? I stopped worrying about thickness a long time ago.
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Now... where's D-nice when you need him? Is this "new and advanced pre-discharge technology" the 10g Kuro tech we've been waiting so long for? Jeez, it's been three years...

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i stopped worrying about thickness a long time ago.

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Looks like Panasonic has put some information about the new 2012 features on their panasonic.net web page. (Sorry I am too new to the forum and cannot post a url link but just go to the .net site and go to consumer and viera tvs)

You can see a comparison of 2012 vs 2011 plasma panels, complete with pictures, here:

http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us201...ies/index.html

Geez, the 2012 images look leaps and bounds better than the 2011 ones, but I am leery that the actual real-world experience will be anywhere close.
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Too bad, I read in the other thread that we are still behind Kuro 9G black levels. Or, at least, that's what D-nice is predicting. One more year with my 60"...

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I think the VT50 will be a really good TV for sure.
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Looks like Panasonic has put some information about the new 2012 features on their panasonic.net web page.

They refer to the panel as
- "A milestone has been reached in our search for optimal picture quality"
- "The materials and structure of the Plasma panel have been re-engineered from the ground up"
- "This new panel"
- "Redesigned panel structure"

Then there is also the "NEW" cpu/engine/etc

If they would have just added some Corinthian leather I would have been sold.
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I knew I was setting somebody up!

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I was also hoping for something in between 42" and 50". I'll have to do some measuring and fancy configuring if I want to replace my current 42" with a 50". I'm wondering if it's better to pick up one of the current 46" models now. Does anyone think that the 2012 models are going to be that much better than the current ones?
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damn....

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Vivid Color Creation
The brightness, saturation, contrast and sharpness of colors are finely compensated in each scene.

I may just be a pessimist but it sounds like they took the floating black problem and tried to tweak it into a "feature". I really hope you can disable that; along with the Infinite Black it seems like a total gimmick. Why can't you just have **** that works for every scene.
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So from what I'm reading, the ST50 has the exact same panel as the GT50 and VT50. Why would one spend hundreds, if not thousands, more for a GT50/VT50 when the actual panel is the same? Aesthetics?
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So from what I'm reading, the ST50 has the exact same panel as the GT50 and VT50. Why would one spend hundreds, if not thousands, more for a GT50/VT50 when the actual panel is the same? Aesthetics?

THX modes, ISF calibration capabilities, slightly better performance across the lineup, etc.
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So from what I'm reading, the ST50 has the exact same panel as the GT50 and VT50. Why would one spend hundreds, if not thousands, more for a GT50/VT50 when the actual panel is the same? Aesthetics?

Well the current ST30 has the same core panel as the GT30 and VT30 (albeit with the VT having a better/blacker AR Filter applied), so the marketing strategy this year is similar to what they did last year.

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Looks like they took the play right out of Samsung's 2011 design book

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bedroom. dont need a 50" tv when you're watching from 4-5 feet away.

Surely you do....total immersion with what is on the TV.
U wouldn't know if you are shitting in the bathroom or the Burj Khalifa from MI-4
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So from what I'm reading, the ST50 has the exact same panel as the GT50 and VT50. Why would one spend hundreds, if not thousands, more for a GT50/VT50 when the actual panel is the same? Aesthetics?

Same panel doesn't mean same performance/features. The S/G/V series have shared the same panel for a few years now, but the performance/features (and design) usually gets better as you go up the line. The S series is usually the best value.
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So from what I'm reading, the ST50 has the exact same panel as the GT50 and VT50. Why would one spend hundreds, if not thousands, more for a GT50/VT50 when the actual panel is the same? Aesthetics?

Because consumer electronics companies feel the need to offer 27 different models of every product they sell. At this point it seems they're artificially limiting products in order to create more premium products. The ST has a top-notch panel, but if you want picture that's at least moderately accurate you'll have to pony up for the GT model with THX certification. Want to be able to watch that TV in a well-lit room? Well then you'll have to step up to the VT model with AR coating. I feel like we're dealing with used car salesmen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5gwc4UizUc

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Same panel doesn't mean same performance/features. The S/G/V series have shared the same panel for a few years now, but the performance/features (and design) usually gets better as you go up the line. The S series is usually the best value.

Also, blacks were not as good on the ST as they were on the GT and VT. There is a possibility that the GT might be able to get past the .005 ft/L level that it's been at for the last 2 years.

Hopefully Robert will do a comparision for 2011 v. 2012. That would show a lot.

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my 50 inch st30 is in my room and i sit a little over 6 feet and its fine i wish i would have went 55 inchs lol
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Also, blacks were not as good on the ST as they were on the GT and VT. There is a possibility that the GT might be able to get past the .005 ft/L level that it's been at for the last 2 years.

Hopefully Robert will do a comparision for 2011 v. 2012. That would show a lot.

At least for the 2011 60 and 65" ST/GT/VT panels, they all have the same black level per D-Nice (.0035fL). No difference at all.
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So from what I'm reading, the ST50 has the exact same panel as the GT50 and VT50. Why would one spend hundreds, if not thousands, more for a GT50/VT50 when the actual panel is the same? Aesthetics?

D-Nice said UT has the same panel as well. May be a good value on the 60" model.
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At least for the 2011 60 and 65" ST/GT/VT panels, they all have the same black level per D-Nice (.0035fL). No difference at all.

I said they are roughly the same. The 65" VT30 averages around 0.0036fL while the 65" ST/GT30 measure around 0.0039fL.
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I need to start saving my pennies now, I really want a 65" VT50!

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I need to start saving my pennies now, I really want a 65" VT50!

You have about 5 months to save as much as you can.
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So release is in may or June huh.. Is there a price point for the models yet?
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