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Not sure how anyone can judge the GT vs ST as no one has even placed eyes on the GT yet let alone any fancy calibration instruments.

Sorry to say but there seems to be a lot more speculation-as-fact going on around here these days. Not very 'scientific' if you ask me...

Don't bet on that.

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Don't bet on that.

Please explain how you can judge a product no one has seen let alone in a controlled environment with proper review/testing methodology?

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How much input lag do the Samsung's (E8000/E7000) have? Are we talking about a game mode here? I usually find that the game modes make the picture look awful.

Samsung's are competitive if you place them in their "pc" mode.

Game modes shouldn't look any worse than the source!

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Any idea the release date for the TC-P65ST50 and the price range. thanks Mac
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ST50 UK Review...

16ms of input lag!!! As a gamer I'm so excited!

I'm glad someone's still taking care of us gamers!

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Lol. Okay, just an LED.

Just kidding a little. I have people ask me all the time if they should buy an LED TV. I then explain to them that there is no such thing as an LED TV. It's still a LCD TV that is using LED back lighting. Thanks to Samsung's advertising and sales peoples lack of understanding they think LED is a some kind of new TV technology.
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Please explain how you can judge a product no one has seen let alone in a controlled environment with proper review/testing methodology?

You're focusing on the thing that you probably shouldn't bet on.

Or in other words, you're assuming....

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Just kidding a little. I have people ask me all the time if they should buy an LED TV. I then explain to them that there is no such thing as an LED TV. It's still a LCD TV that is using LED back lighting. Thanks to Samsung's advertising and sales peoples lack of understanding they think LED is a some kind of new TV technology.

Its' frustrating, isn't it?
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Just kidding a little. I have people ask me all the time if they should buy an LED TV. I then explain to them that there is no such thing as an LED TV. It's still a LCD TV that is using LED back lighting. Thanks to Samsung's advertising and sales peoples lack of understanding they think LED is a some kind of new TV technology.

They will pay for that.
Just wait until they have LED and O'LED, which of course, must be LED's from Ireland.

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They will pay for that.
Just wait until they have LED and O'LED, which of course, must be LED's from Ireland.

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They will pay for that.
Just wait until they have LED and O'LED, which of course, must be LED's from Ireland.

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Awesome. I hope that saying catches on. I can't wait for someone to ask me what OLED is.
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They will pay for that.
Just wait until they have LED and O'LED, which of course, must be LED's from Ireland.

The Irish claimed iPad was a bad name because with the accent, iPad and iPod sound too much alike. Now you're telling me they won't be able to keep apart the LED and O'LED? O'no!

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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You're focusing on the thing that you probably shouldn't bet on.

Or in other words, you're assuming....

Lol! Buddy, I'm not assuming ****! The statement was made that the ST is better than the GT-- even though NO ONE HAS SEEN THE GT! There's your assumption; and it's based on what? Nothing. It's based in nothing.

Show me anything, any where that compares the ST to the GT. Better yet, show me anything on the GT. You can't. Until the GT is released NO ONE will know how it compares to the ST.

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Lol! Buddy, I'm not assuming ****! The statement was made that the ST is better than the GT-- even though NO ONE HAS SEEN THE GT! There's your assumption; and it's based on what? Nothing. It's based in nothing.

Show me anything, any where that compares the ST to the GT. Better yet, show me anything on the GT. You can't. Until the GT is released NO ONE will know how it compares to the ST.

Just because no one has publicly posted anything on the internet does not mean no one has seen it. Figure out on your own what that means.
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Just because no one has publicly posted anything on the internet does not mean no one has seen it. Figure out on your own what that means.

Lol! We've gone from plasma display forum to CIA huh? Secret meeting and real hush hush ****, huh?

So what's the big deal? You seen it? I really don't have a bone to pick either way but it'd be nice to know that all these predictions have some basis in reality.

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Lol! We've gone from plasma display forum to CIA huh? Secret meeting and real hush hush ****, huh?

If this was suppose to be funny or a joke, your punchline got lost in translation.

I spoke of the GT50 last week. I'm pretty sure you saw the post. And I specifically stated I don't post anything just for the hell of it. Since you seem not to "get it", wait a few more weeks for publically documented reviews.
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Lol! We've gone from plasma display forum to CIA huh? Secret meeting and real hush hush ****, huh?

So what's the big deal? You seen it? I really don't have a bone to pick either way but it'd be nice to know that all these predictions have some basis in reality.

D-Nice is an industry insider and an extremely valuable resource here and on HDJ. His "predictions" always have a basis in reality. So go ahead and insult him some more so that he gets mad and stops contributing altogether.
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....so that he gets mad and stops contributing altogether.

Not going to happen
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Samsung's are competitive if you place them in their "pc" mode.

Game modes shouldn't look any worse than the source!

The game mode on the top-end Samsung UNxxD/E LCDs looks horrible. We're talking significantly worse PQ from my 2006 Philips 720p LCD. I'd imagine on the Plasmas it'd be significantly better, but it would be good to know either way. If the non-game mode latency penalty isn't much, then it would be good to know if it's an option.

I'm in the market, 99% set on Plasma, but I'm flopping between Samsung and Panasonic. It'll be hard to make a decision until everything is out (incl the VT50) but the rumors of Samsung's UPP going in effect on April 1st is putting on some unwanted pressure at this point.

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Could someone who's relatively objective and experienced comment on/confirm/dispel these claims that I keep reading on AVSForum and other sources?:

-Panasonic Plasmas usually have more phosphor lag compared to Samsungs?
-Panasonic Plasmas usually have worse IR problems than Samsungs?
-Panasonic 2011 Color Decode issues- are they fixed?

I plan on gaming on my 2012 panel a great deal, so the IR and Phosphor lag issues are super important to me. Thanks in advance.

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Could someone who's relatively objective and experienced comment on/confirm/dispel these claims that I keep reading on AVSForum and other sources?:

-Panasonic Plasmas usually have more phosphor lag compared to Samsungs?
-Panasonic Plasmas usually have worse IR problems than Samsungs?
-Panasonic 2011 Color Decode issues- are they fixed?

I plan on gaming on my 2012 panel a great deal, so the IR and Phosphor lag issues are super important to me. Thanks in advance.

My 2011 VT30 has HORRIBLE IR (lasting weeks/months). My 4 & 7 year old Panasonic plasmas had no issues with IR at all. So I don't know that they "usually" have more IR but they certainly seem to be terrible since the advent of 3D and whatever changes Panasonic made.

Hopefully they fixed the problem in 2012.
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If this was suppose to be funny or a joke, your punchline got lost in translation.

I spoke of the GT50 last week. I'm pretty sure you saw the post. And I specifically stated I don't post anything just for the hell of it. Since you seem not to "get it", wait a few more weeks for publically documented reviews.

Didn't see your post. Not sure why this is such a big deal. If you're making the statement that the ST is a better set than the GT then why wouldn't someone have simply linked me to the post or site where this was discussed?

Anyways, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I just see a LOT of speculation around here and it ends up like being one of those truth exercises-- tell enough people and all of a sudden it's true.

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My 2011 VT30 has HORRIBLE IR (lasting weeks/months). My 4 & 7 year old Panasonic plasmas had no issues with IR at all. So I don't know that they "usually" have more IR but they certainly seem to be terrible since the advent of 3D and whatever changes Panasonic made.

Hopefully they fixed the problem in 2012.

Yikes. Thanks for the honest testimonial.

The HDTV Test ST50 Review seems overwhelmingly positive and is a good sign for the GT50 and VT50, but this caught my eye:

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We did leave the HDTV running on the BBC News channel for several hours at a time, leaving us with a BBC-branded Plasma television. Running the Scrolling Bar cleared the retention up fairly quickly.

This is pretty significant to me. I really hope the GT/VT series perform better in this regard, but given that the panel tech is likely to be mostly similar, I'm not hopeful.


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The only complaints we envisage regarding it could be from users who are very sensitive to phosphor trailing (we noticed some mild red trailing with certain colour combinations)

This is another one of those "statements" that I keep reading that Samsung usually performs better in this regard. I'm not sure if I'd notice it or not, but I hate gambling with $2k-$3k (and I have already returned one television this year).

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D-Nice is an industry insider and an extremely valuable resource here and on HDJ. His "predictions" always have a basis in reality. So go ahead and insult him some more so that he gets mad and stops contributing altogether.

Jesus Christmas, I didn't insult anyone! Please point out where I made an insult. I wasn't even talking with Dnice and he chimed in to the exchange I was having with what's-his-face. Is that dude an insider too?

I see: GT better than ST.
I do: search forum for GT50.
I get: nothing relating to GT50 that would indicate the above.

Apologies that I'm not up on current events and this has already been discussed-- I perused the thread again and I still can't find where this was talked about. If Dnice says that it's better than the GT than who am I to question him? I made a poor attempt at a joke-- mistake, I know, because apparently the inclusion of a smiley no longer means 'humor inbound'.

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Could someone who's relatively objective and experienced comment on/confirm/dispel these claims that I keep reading on AVSForum and other sources?:

-Panasonic Plasmas usually have more phosphor lag compared to Samsungs?
-Panasonic Plasmas usually have worse IR problems than Samsungs?
-Panasonic 2011 Color Decode issues- are they fixed?

I plan on gaming on my 2012 panel a great deal, so the IR and Phosphor lag issues are super important to me. Thanks in advance.

First one I assume you're talking about phosphor trails? Really it's only an issue if you see it. Panasonic was supposedly behind Samsung on this issue for years but have apparently caught up with the 2011 lineup and the 'fast switching phosphors'. However, the few people I've talked to who see it say they see it on ALL plasmas and it's just that Samsung was a bit less noticeable...

Second one-- you've invited an anecdotal evidence **** storm with that one. All you're going to get here is X panel had this IR and Y panel didn't. My own experience tends to mirror that of the professional reviewers: Panasonic is less prone to IR than Samsung/lg. Are there exceptions? Sure, but most IR goes away quickly and most burn-in/uneven wear is caused by neglect or abuse. Please note the word *most* as I really don't want to offend anyone.

Lastly, supposedly in the 2012 models although only the GT/VT will handle 4:4:4.

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@Tempest261 The 2011 sets have received a lot of complaints about IR-- like the poor bloke above with the VT. Personally, I haven't had an issue on my S30 but, then again, most games don't keep a constant HUD up anymore.

In my experience my S shows more frequent IR that fades quickly. My 46pz800u (post rise) shows IR more slowly and it takes much longer to go away.

One thing to mention is that a lot of the IR complaints come from owners with the GT/VT with the THX picture mode. Keep in mind that, by default, the thx mode keeps the pixel orbiter set to OFF. It's not a HUGE deal but it can make a difference if you're playing in that picture setting. Also, maybe someone else can chime in here but, I believe the S/ST panels are different from the GT/VT panels. Not sure how that will change in 2012 but I've seen far fewer complaints about the S/ST in 2011.

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Didn't see your post. Not sure why this is such a big deal. If you're making the statement that the ST is a better set than the GT then why wouldn't someone have simply linked me to the post or site where this was discussed?

Anyways, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I just see a LOT of speculation around here and it ends up like being one of those truth exercises-- tell enough people and all of a sudden it's true.

I gave you a hint, too bad you didn't take it dude.

In the future you may want to know something more about things and/or people you want to slam. K?

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Any idea the release date for the TC-P65ST50 and the price range. thanks Mac

If Cnet is to be believed, then April with an MSRP of $3k.
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I gave you a hint, too bad you didn't take it dude.

In the future you may want to know something more about things and/or people you want to slam. K?

Well I'm glad that Dnice could come down to defend your honor-- I'm sure all the kids at school will be SOOO jealous! :P

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