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post #811 of 1640 Old 03-26-2012, 11:27 AM
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I was just thinking about IR today. I'm wondering why none of the TV manufacturers have come up with anti-IR tech.

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Have the TV track each pixel's brightness over time. Once it reaches a certain threshold (e.g., where the logo is for a network for too long or black bars), the TV will let you run the anti-IR (manually or perhaps as a screensaver).

For the anti-IR itself, the TV would then generate an inverse mask based on the pixel usage statistics, hold the still image for a set period of time, and then turn off when finished.

It would actually be more effective than random noise or sweeps because it would target each pixel specifically. The pixels would age more evenly on the whole and preserve panel uniformity.

Just a thought if anyone has Panasonic's ear.

We discussed this idea here many times over the past decade.

It's obviously not something the manufacturers consider worthwhile enough to implement for a lot of reasons: cost, the fact that it would entail leaving TVs on for hours, the fact that most people don't perceive there is anything wrong with their TVs as evidenced by the tens of millions of plasmas sold, etc. etc. etc.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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yea imagine trying to explain that feature to a prospective buyer. Oh when your plasma is going to burn in and do damage you just leave it on for some hours while the panel realigns itself. That would turn off so many people if they thought they had to run that much upkeep on the panel.

And I saw a 1500 dollar sale on 65gt30's somewhere but I cant remember now. But I thought to myself 1500 for a 65gt30 was a HELL of a good deal. Might of been fry's I think.
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Which is why in my post above to Tony, I admit my bias against this site, or even UK reviewers in general. They also gave the UNxxD8000 glowing reviews, and that television set was a disaster in my opinion.

I want them to rip apart the TV (figuratively speaking) and put a spotlight on what's wrong with it. The only reviewer that I've seen do this consistently is CNET's Katzmaier. I probably won't buy a set until I see his review first.

I don't put much weight in Katzmaier's reviews. IMO, he's a lot like politicians- influenced by lobbyists. If I had to buy right away then D-Nice's review would carry the most weight for me and I don't mean his first report. I then take into consideration other professional reviewers but the information I find most influential is the feedback of owners, on forums like this, after they have had the set for awhile. That feedback reveals problems and how the manufacturers deal with those problems. In addition, I have found that the real problems experienced are not more than those revealed by D-Nice.

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Man you are so right about the woman thing. I don't understand why they like a little tiny screen so much. Any TV i have bought throughout my life there has been a woman in the background complaining that it is way too big. And I thought size didn't matter to a woman. Maybe that's why I'm almost 30 and not married still, no woman is ever gonna boss me around on my tech buying decisions!! Rather die alone!

It's the women you all choose, not women in general. Opposites must attract because I chose a man who thinks that size doesn't matter either... wait... um....

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Holy crap. Now I'm excited.

Direct link to the GT50 review: http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-tx-p50gt50

Are you in Europe or the US?

I hate Panasonic for not giving US those features.

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It's the women you all choose, not women in general. Opposites must attract because I chose a man who thinks that size doesn't matter either... wait... um....

You almost dug yourself into an abyss..lol.
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On the other forum, i saw discussion that Panasonic has discontinued the 42" UT50 due to apparent lack of interest from pretty much all of the retailers except for two. That's probably the last 42" 1080p Plasma that North America will ever see

Wow, my ST30 just became a collector's item!

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Wow-then my S30 became one too.
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I have read that the 42UT50 lacks the dual core chip and some adjustments. Also they have been discontinued. Amazon is the only place to get them and they only had 20 left. (brandsmart had a few, but I believe they are gone).


god bless

I know it doesn't have the dual processor and know it doesn't probably have all the adjustments and black filter. Thats why I was asking what the UT50 doesn't have, gray scale etc.. Where does the 42ut50 discontinued info come from? Is this in writing somewhere? Seems rather odd they would just come out with it and then discontinue it.
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I know it doesn't have the dual processor and know it doesn't probably have all the adjustments and black filter. Thats why I was asking what the UT50 doesn't have, gray scale etc.. Where does the 42ut50 discontinued info come from? Is this in writing somewhere? Seems rather odd they would just come out with it and then discontinue it.

I'd post a link but it's not allowed. You can call panasonic or read the insider's thread at hdj... post 9765
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Well 50" is the new 42". To get a TV with good picture quality in 2012, it's going to have to be at least 50 inches. Anything smaller now will be an LCD and none of them can approach the PQ of last year's 42" and 46" ST30 regardless of price. Your 46HX929 came somewhat close (i seriously considered buying one last year) but that was the only one.

You might be surprised at the ability of the female race to accept a 50" screen size. When we allow the women to get involved in our TV discussions, i'm finding out that they seem to like the 50" size as it's not too small but not too big. They start to have a problem when the TV is 55" or larger as they don't want it to start dominating the room.


I dunno if it has the same video processing, but the Pro Settings menu in the ST/GT/VT series is an additional advanced settings menu that becomes available when the TV is in the Custom picture mode where you can adjust gamma and screen brightness and some other stuff that i don't remember. The Pro menu is not available in any other Picture mode, only Custom. The online manuals for the 2012 models no longer contain information about any of the settings menus but if you look at the manual for the 2011 ST30/GT30 they are in there.

The UT50 does not have this Pro Settings menu.

The one thing that would absolutely make me NOT buy a UT50 is it's super-reflective screen. I finally spent some time with one in a darkened area at Fry's yesterday and it was way way too reflective, especially when displaying darker scenes where i could literally part my hair like i was looking in a dark mirror. Completely unacceptable right there.

One of the reasons I didn't get a st30 was because the custom mode had issues. So I went with the 46hx929. Thought it would be good enough. Didn't expect flashlighting with that TV. Would have probably been good enough if I didn't like to watch movies in the dark, old habit with owning tube, rear projection, front projection viewing devices. That was my 1st LCD, and probably the last! Learned my lesson. I have seen the 50ut50 and thought it look pretty good. It's high up on the wall at BB and definitely has reflections but don't know if they're worse than half of the TV's on that wall. I will look at it again a little closer and compare reflections!
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.. Where does the 42ut50 discontinued info come from? Is this in writing somewhere? Seems rather odd they would just come out with it and then discontinue it.

Yeah it is odd, but it was confirmed by the Panasonic executive that posts on the other forum. He said Amazon bought the remaining units. It's also no longer available from Panasonic's online store.

Paste this sentence into Google and read the thread:

I did call in and was told by the representative that 42UT50 was discontinued. That does not sound right to me.

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Worst review I ever read. No actual measurements of anything just some guy talking about the features of the tv, basically all things we already knew. What a worthless waste of time to read that

Not the WORST review ever, but yeah I agree, it's pretty bad . I don't know what's up with UK reviewers, but they never seem to ask the difficult questions, with the exception of the AV Forums guys that is. They seem to be pretty decent.

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Yeah it is odd, but it was confirmed by the Panasonic executive that posts on the other forum. He said Amazon bought the remaining units. It's also no longer available from Panasonic's online store.

Paste this sentence into Google and read the thread:

I did call in and was told by the representative that 42UT50 was discontinued. That does not sound right to me.

I made that call and they are discontinued.
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Yeah it is odd, but it was confirmed by the Panasonic executive that posts on the other forum. He said Amazon bought the remaining units. It's also no longer available from Panasonic's online store.

Paste this sentence into Google and read the thread:

I did call in and was told by the representative that 42UT50 was discontinued. That does not sound right to me.

Thanks guys. Found the posts on HDJ. Haven't been over there for a while. Guess I'll see whats going on over there. Guess I can nix that option off the table. Was hoping to go sensible but it's looking like thats not going to happen more and more.
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I made that call and they are discontinued.
I bought one for a friend and I might buy another for a bedroom

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It's for my bedroom also. The place I purchased my XBR went out of there way for me to return the XBR so I will be buying the next TV from them. Been doing business with these guys for over 20 years! Actually turned into friendships with the manager and even the owner.
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My last comment on it: An anti-IR system could be off by default (an advanced feature) and even then just make it an alternative screensaver. So it would dynamically change with the monitor's need, and wouldn't be something you just leave on for hours... unless you felt like it leaving your TV on.

But you're right. They wouldn't want to spend extra money on a feature that advertises a flaw in the technology.

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Does anyone know what the cosmetic/exterior differences are between the ST and GT Series? Any links to up close comparison pictures? Does the ST have a different anti-glare shield coating than the GT?

Looks like retail stores have the ST50 55 incher readily available. How much longer till the GT's start shipping? Hopefully will have some sort of an update by the end of the week, April 1st..

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I am hoping 60STs are readily available within the next 2 weeks.
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I was browsing TV's in a Best Buy Magnolia store today and talking to a salesman. According to him, once a TV changes to the next's years model, they no longer make the 3D glasses for that older mode. It seems that you would need to buy enough replacement glasses to last as long, or longer, than you'd plan on keeping the TV.

Also, I looked and tried on the new bluetooth glasses designed for the GT50/VT50 model. One thing I didn't like about them is the narrow profile. They are making them narrower like modern glasses design. I don't like the way I see the top and bottom bars on them closer together. I'd prefer a more open view myself.
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Does anyone know what the cosmetic/exterior differences are between the ST and GT Series? Any links to up close comparison pictures? Does the ST have a different anti-glare shield coating than the GT?

The ST50 has the same panel and filter as the GT50. A link to the 2012 model picture galleries are in the first post of this thread (click on the series icons to the left on that page).


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The GT50 appears to be delayed if the original release dates were correct. I don't think anyone knows exactly when they'll be arriving.

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I was browsing TV's in a Best Buy Magnolia store today and talking to a salesman. According to him, once a TV changes to the next's years model, they no longer make the 3D glasses for that older mode. It seems that you would need to buy enough replacement glasses to last as long, or longer, than you'd plan on keeping the TV.

Also, I looked and tried on the new bluetooth glasses designed for the GT50/VT50 model. One thing I didn't like about them is the narrow profile. They are making them narrower like modern glasses design. I don't like the way I see the top and bottom bars on them closer together. I'd prefer a more open view myself.

My understanding is that this shouldn't be a problem for the future, as 3rd party glasses should be compatible with all major-brand sets. I don't know how extensive this is though, but I think it at least applies to Panasonic and Samsung.

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I heard the same thing about the glasses, bluetooth will all be compatible with eachother.

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In cased anyone missed it, there's a new thread about the first VT50 review by AVForums.

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In cased anyone missed it, there's a new thread about the first VT50 review by AVForums.

There's a review that's useless to us. Besides not being the North American model, it's 50", a size that won't even be in the U.S.

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I am hoping 60STs are readily available within the next 2 weeks.

I was able to purchase the 60" from Paul's TV. It's running D-Nice's slides right now
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There's a review that's useless to us. Besides not being the North American model, it's 50", a size that won't even be in the U.S.

Anything you take away from the review will be conjecture.

I think calling it "useless" is a bit hyperbolic. It'll be ideal when we get some NA reviews in, but for now I think this is a pretty good indicator.

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I think calling it "useless" is a bit hyperbolic. It'll be ideal when we get some NA reviews in, but for now I think this is a pretty good indicator.

Hyperbolic? Not really.
AVForum (the UK site) measured the VT50 blacks at 0.0095 cd/m2 (saying the ST50 was 0.011 cdm2).

Chad B at HDJ reviewed the 55" ST50 and measured .0049 fL which is 0.0167 cd/m2.

That means the difference between Chad's review and AVForum's review of the ST50 have a 4 times bigger difference than AVForum's measure differences between the black level of the ST50 and VT50.

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Simple fact of the matter is that when the black levels get that dark it's hard to reliably measure.

For the most part I think that when the measurements get in those ranges it sort of becomes more of a pissing contest as to who has the lowest black levels-- at that point it's dark enough and you can start focusing your attention on which panel performs better in other areas of PQ.

Personally I would have been happy with my 2008 level blacks if they had only stayed that dark... In fact I think that if you're a real hound for inky blacks then you're better off shopping the led LCD competition. Even if they get there by 'cheating', many led sets produce a stunning contrast. I still prefer the look of plasma.

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Simple fact of the matter is that when the black levels get that dark it's hard to reliably measure.

Unless you have the right equipment, and they do.
That is unless the VT50 is actually darker than the kuros. Than it might be out of range for their equipment. But they would have said so, i'd presume.

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For the most part I think that when the measurements get in those ranges it sort of becomes more of a pissing contest as to who has the lowest black levels-- at that point it's dark enough [...]

That's subjective and depends alot on the viewing environment. If you want black in darkness, you need to go quite a bit lower than that.
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