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post #871 of 1640 Old 03-29-2012, 07:59 PM
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Looks like we need an official Panasonic GT50 thread
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Have the power consumption figures been published yet?
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I think they reduced the power consumption this year, but most of the savings are lost from the increased brightness. Cnet, AVForums and HDTVtest (latter two being EU models) published their power consumption readings in their respective reviews.
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Seems to be working now
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIER...3EDYP3D91PJ619

I get email notifications when someone posts to certain threads. When I read this in my email, my heart jumped, my breath caught in my chest and a chill ran up my leg.

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The AVForums review of the VT50 had a small quote buried in it that I need confirmed or denied by people who have owned or tested the 2012 series plasmas:

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pana...82/Review.html

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The DVI Input can be set to Normal/Full where Normal represents video level signals (16-235) and Full corresponds to PC levels (0-255) but if the input is straight HDMI – rather than a HDMI to DVI connection – the VT50 will automatically operate in Normal mode.

Someone please tell me they got this wrong. 2012 is the first year Panasonic has finally decided to support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling using "1080p Pure Direct Mode", surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to not allow RGB Full Range over HDMI, only DVI?
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The AVForums review of the VT50 had a small quote buried in it that I need confirmed or denied by people who have owned or tested the 2012 series plasmas:

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pana...82/Review.html



Someone please tell me they got this wrong. 2012 is the first year Panasonic has finally decided to support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling using "1080p Pure Direct Mode", surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to not allow RGB Full Range over HDMI, only DVI?

What purpose would you have for 0-255 anyway?
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I could get a ST for almost 500$ less than a GT (50 inch). I don't know if the extra features are with that much money.
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What purpose would you have for 0-255 anyway?

Is this actually a serious question?
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Anyone think the GT might have better 3D picture quality than the ST?

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You guys are only talking about GT and ST's. What about 50UT50? I'm looking a good gaming tv for my xbox.
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You guys or only talking about GT and ST's. What about 50UT50? I'm looking a good gaming tv for my xbox.

It's supposed to be a nice set.
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Someone please tell me they got this wrong. 2012 is the first year Panasonic has finally decided to support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling using "1080p Pure Direct Mode", surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to not allow RGB Full Range over HDMI, only DVI?

Maybe "1080p Pure Direct Mode" is for YCbCr 4:4:4 (16-235) only?
I want 4:4:4 RGB 0-255 support over Hdmi!
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Thanks so much for posting this. I just ran out of a meeting and ordered it from Amazon. Supposed to get it Tuesday morning! Will give a full report...

Happy day!

mike

Keep an eye on BB, right now their "coming soon" price is lower than Amazon's.

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Keep an eye on BB, right now their "coming soon" price is lower than Amazon's.

Even with tax?
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Even with tax?

Yes.
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I really wish Panasonic hadn't discontinued the 42" size in new ST50 series, as I'm looking for a new bedroom display.

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Have the power consumption figures been published yet?

There's a calibrated power figure published in the Cnet review. It's 247w for a 55" ST50 after the display was calibrated. (Out of box was 142w by the way, and apparently way too dim.) Looks like that's about 12-13% less than last year's 55" VT30 by way of comparison.

I would ignore Panasonic's published numbers as they will be fairly unhelpful.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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I'm facing the dilemma of ST50 VS GT50.

I don't think I will be able to see them in person before I buy.
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I'm facing the dilemma of ST50 VS GT50.

I don't think I will be able to see them in person before I buy.

I doubt anyone would be sorry they bought the better of the 2, or 3. That's why I'm holding out for the VT50. If I bought the ST or the GT, I'd eventually wish I had the VT. But, I spend a great deal of time watching movies with good sound system.
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I'm facing the dilemma of ST50 VS GT50.

I don't think I will be able to see them in person before I buy.

I would jump on either one blindly based on the reputation of the company and the reviewers alone. Panasonic makes an awesome tv. The ST50 is supposed to be on par or better than the VT30 from last year if that tells you anything.
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There's a calibrated power figure published in the Cnet review. It's 247w for a 55" ST50 after the display was calibrated. (Out of box was 142w by the way, and apparently way too dim.) Looks like that's about 12-13% less than last year's 55" VT30 by way of comparison.

I would ignore Panasonic's published numbers as they will be fairly unhelpful.

Thank you...and yeah I always ingore MFG ratings on that stuff.
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Wait, so this might still happen? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post21688655

I hope that it doesn't since I had to return my GT30 because of it.

I took a chance and bought the 50ST50 from Amazon and it arrived early this morning. I am happy to say that ugly faces in shadows no longer happens

Everything else seems great, and I can tell that the set is brighter overall as well.
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I'm facing the dilemma of ST50 VS GT50.

I don't think I will be able to see them in person before I buy.

For what it's worth, I'm about to buy the 60st50 from a forum sponsor. I called to confirm that he has them in stock (which was a "yes"). I also asked about the picture quality of the ST vs the GT vs the VT. His opinion was that for actually watching stuff, you would be unlikely to tell the difference between them.

Any dissenters?
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For what it's worth, I'm about to buy the 60st50 from a forum sponsor. I called to confirm that he has them in stock (which was a "yes"). I also asked about the picture quality of the ST vs the GT vs the VT. His opinion was that for actually watching stuff, you would be unlikely to tell the difference between them.

Any dissenters?

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For what it's worth, I'm about to buy the 60st50 from a forum sponsor. I called to confirm that he has them in stock (which was a "yes"). I also asked about the picture quality of the ST vs the GT vs the VT. His opinion was that for actually watching stuff, you would be unlikely to tell the difference between them.

Any dissenters?

My concern continues to be lack of picture controls on the ST and GT models. These could have a real-world impact in PQ.

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But the VTs make a mean breakfast for you in the morning...



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For what it's worth, I'm about to buy the 60st50 from a forum sponsor. I called to confirm that he has them in stock (which was a "yes"). I also asked about the picture quality of the ST vs the GT vs the VT. His opinion was that for actually watching stuff, you would be unlikely to tell the difference between them.

So if you want a 60", this is easy to me.

First of all, regular humans are unlikely to perceive the GT as having a better picture. In this case, I count myself as a regular human.

Second of all, the ST design is simple and neutral. While some people like the GT design, I find it hideous. YMMV of course.

Third of all, since you are after a 60", there is no reason to wait for the VT, which is coming in 55" and 65".

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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The AVForums review of the VT50 had a small quote buried in it that I need confirmed or denied by people who have owned or tested the 2012 series plasmas:

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pana...82/Review.html



Someone please tell me they got this wrong. 2012 is the first year Panasonic has finally decided to support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling using "1080p Pure Direct Mode", surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to not allow RGB Full Range over HDMI, only DVI?

I would also like to know more about this - I really hope this is wrong. I was very excited to hear the 2012 models will support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, and I was assuming it would apply to HDMI also, since that is how I will be connecting my pc. If it doesn't apply to HDMI that will be a disappointment. Who with a newer video card is going to use DVI and not HDMI, especially when HDMI supports audio?

I'm considering either the ST or GT so if anybody can confirm or deny this please do.

I also found this in the same review:

"Yet another new option exists in the 1080p Pure Direct setting that promises to allow for the passing of a full 4:4:4 video signal over HDMI, allowing for slightly enhanced chromatic resolution. The acceptance of 4:4:4 is new ground for Panasonic PDP and another sign they’re taking the enthusiast market seriously."

Doesn't this contradict this quote later in the review:?

"The DVI Input can be set to Normal/Full where Normal represents video level signals (16-235) and Full corresponds to PC levels (0-255) but if the input is straight HDMI – rather than a HDMI to DVI connection – the VT50 will automatically operate in Normal mode."

So does it or doesn't it? Can anybody elaborate?
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So if you want a 60", this is easy to me.
...Third of all, since you are after a 60", there is no reason to wait for the VT, which is coming in 55" and 65".

Hi Rogo,

Thanks for the input. It would either be the 55 VT or the 60ST and on a previous post a few folks here felt that bigger would be better.

I sit about nine feet away from my current 54G10 and am fine with the screen size. But at this point my uniformed guess is that only with a pro calibration would I be able to detect a very small difference between the VT and ST with most of price diff coming from extra fluff. And even then it might be too subtle for me to notice. I'm picky but not off the charts picky.
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