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post #31 of 267 Old 01-14-2012, 03:06 PM
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In the videos I've seen, the new black filter is indeed better than Panasonic's filter, which still have that green tint.

Some nice videos from CES showing how good the new filter and design are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfAJEC72RcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Da10nD3eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiEkUsLII-I

So, you are basing your opinion of television performance off of videos? Off of youtube? Ok, to each his own...
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So is the design the same (slimmer)? Looks to me like the same design with a slightly darker bezel color?
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So is the design the same (slimmer)? Looks to me like the same design with a slightly darker bezel color?

It's the same design with a slightly darker bezel, yes.

It's possible the TV is slightly thinner overall, but I doubt any noticeable amount.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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2013 if we are lucky.........

The line from Samsung looks impressive ! CES was pretty good this year The Samsung where supposed to have a all new black filter in them. So, there are some big changes to come. In the end we will have to see what happens when they come out and testing is done The units had a real nice bezel, tiny I say!

at first I didn't like the tiny bezels.... but with a darker color background(wall) behind your TV.... I now prefer the tiny bezel!
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These sets look MUCH nicer than Panasonic's new line. Design wise they are close to perfect, as long as 6000/7000 series have a normal rectangular stand. Just a simple black bezel like most of us want.

In the videos I've seen, the new black filter is indeed better than Panasonic's filter, which still have that green tint. And this year even the 6000 series has it, so Samsung's performance/price ratio could seriously embarrass Panasonic's.

I'm also glad Samsung never copied Panny's idiotic "one sheet of glass" design from the VT series and kept the bonded filter structure. Totally ruins bright room performance.

If contrast improvements are to believed, this year's line could go as low as .005 fL, same as GT30 and basically equal to 8G Kuros.

Some nice videos from CES showing how good the new filter and design are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfAJEC72RcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Da10nD3eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiEkUsLII-I

These sets look great, hope the PQ is as good as they look cosmetically. Black bezel look way bettter than 2011 version.
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these sets look great, hope the pq is as good as they look cosmetically. Black bezel look way bettter than 2011 version.

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Ill consider getting a 2012 model for my bedroom(probably 550) after I finish getting my 2011 model working perfect lol

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does anyone know if mjc was added back for 2012? Any word on if sammy will do a 65 or 70 ich plasma this year or in 2013???
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Here are some neat videos on the upcoming units.......




- E8000 :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfAJEC72RcE

- E7000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiEkU...eature=related

- E6500
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Da1...eature=related

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First Look at the Samsung PNE8000 plasma with Smart Interaction http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB2za09rQVU
Samsung PNE8000 Plasma with Smart Interaction CES 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emEaD6CgPL8

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To each their own, and i'm not trying to start a debate back and forth, but personally I like panasonics vt50 a little better. Don't get me wrong, both are great, but I like the one sheet design.

I must agree, I like the vt50 design better as well. Although I just bought a 50in LG Plasma and love it.

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I wouldn't touch a 2012 Samsung until they PROVE they have eliminated fb.

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I think that last year samsung did great. i have a d8000 and i love it. of course i may not be as big a videophile as others but i saw little problems with mine. I am hoping to get an e8000 this year. i like the new tech in the sammy's also -- face recognition voice and motion control and the dual core processor will be a great addition. i think samsung also said better blacks, which at this point if they are as good as the panny gt30 why would anyone consider a panny? i mean didn't samsung set the standard for the color last year ? standard color + dark blacks + new tech + bundles = BEST BUY.

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Three months ago, I decided to buy a 64" D8000 (model PN64D8000), and I've been monitoring prices. They've come down a bit, but not dramatically. So I'm wondering if people think the pricing will drop significantly when the E8000 hits the streets, which I read in this thread Samsung is saying "second half of 2012". Did the C8000 drop when the D8000 was released last year?

BTW, I can live without the new features in the E8000 (voice/gesture control, improved Smart TV stuff, etc.) and would prefer the QWERTY remote that comes with the D8000, so please don't try to convince me to buy the E8000.

So my specific questions:

1) Do you think D8000 price drops when E8000 hits?

2) Any more info on when E8000 is being released?

Thanks!
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The PNE8000 series are gonna hit the market in March at a very HIGH retail price.

PN51E8000 $2249

PN59E8000 $3099

PN64E8000 $3999
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Thanks alxrmero for the pricing and release info on the E8000. So once again that begs the question, what will that high pricing do to the price of the older D8000? Does anyone know what happened to the price of the C8000 released in 2010 when the D8000 came out in 2011? I've found the D8000 as low as $2,269, but again, wondering if that might drop under $2,000 when the E8000 comes out.
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Thanks alxrmero for the pricing and release info on the E8000. So once again that begs the question, what will that high pricing do to the price of the older D8000? Does anyone know what happened to the price of the C8000 released in 2010 when the D8000 came out in 2011? I've found the D8000 as low as $2,269, but again, wondering if that might drop under $2,000 when the E8000 comes out.

Me personally I'm done with Samsung and there rediculous pricing for 2012 . It will be either the Panasonic GT50 or VT50 for me. Later Sammy .
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Do you guys pay any local tax on top of those prices? We're waiting for the UK prices and to be honest if you convert those $ prices to £ they are very very good compared to what we pay.

At the moment the very cheapest 64" D8000 is around £2200 which is $3450. It was £3k at launch last year (£4706) You don't know how lucky you are

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The PNE8000 series are gonna hit the market in March at a very HIGH retail price.

PN51E8000 $2249

PN59E8000 $3099

PN64E8000 $3999

So at least at the top end, that looks like Panasonic's pricing. Of course, only one ostensibly will be discounted at all.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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So at least at the top end, that looks like Panasonic's pricing. Of course, only one ostensibly will be discounted at all.

The 51" 8000 will be priced almost similar as the Panasonic 55" VT50, or the 60" GT50.
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Do you guys pay any local tax on top of those prices? We're waiting for the UK prices and to be honest if you convert those $ prices to £ they are very very good compared to what we pay.

Oh usually we pay plenty of taxes one way or another......

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Those are MSRP. You need to wait until retailers start selling them to get the real price.
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Those are MSRP. You need to wait until retailers start selling them to get the real price.

No, Kid, you don't. According to HD Guru -- and reported elsewhere -- Samsung top-end products will be selling at MSRP this year. Absolutely no discounting.

This is true for 7000 and 8000 plasmas and several series of LCDs.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Wow those prices are ridiculous! I can't believe Samsung is forcing MSRP.

even more insane when you can get a PN64D7000 for under $1900! Buy them while you can folks!
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PN59E8000? I thought I read somewhere that the 59" Samsung plasmas where going to be 60" in 2012, or was that wrong information?
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You have no idea how Samsung will handle special sales events, or how often these prices will be revised.

People are freaking out about something that they know nothing about other then some rumor on a website.

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No, Kid, you don't. According to HD Guru -- and reported elsewhere -- Samsung top-end products will be selling at MSRP this year. Absolutely no discounting.

This is true for 7000 and 8000 plasmas and several series of LCDs.


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You have no idea how Samsung will handle special sales events, or how often these prices will be revised.

People are freaking out about something that they know nothing about other then some rumor on a website.

It ain't a rumor it's the truth. Do your research.
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The pricing strategy is one adopted from Bose, Apple, et al. It generally is immune to sales, with relatively minor discounting and special promotion. (For example, Bose will throw in a free battery with the headphones around Christmas... Apple will take off $100 on a Mac laptop on Black Friday.)

I'm not actually saying this will work in the marketplace or that they'll stick with it, but the strategy is clear:

You will pay MSRP and there will not be discounting of any meaningful kind. Even if they do things like bundling, that's (a) noise in terms of discount and (b) irrelevant to those of us who have things like BluRay players, sound systems, etc. already.

We are talking de facto price increases of upwards of $1000. I personally believe this is insane but that they are committed to trying it. One thing that might have made more sense is splitting the difference between the old MSRPs and the current street pricing. That would've worked out for retailers still (no competing with cheapie internet dealers) and would've kept their products at / near the competition. The notion that people will just happily pay more for Samsung products in a world where other products -- including for what it's worth cheaper Sonys -- exist is really bizarre.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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all the models are up with pics/specs on abt

spec sheets:

PN51E8000
PN51E7000
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Wow those prices are ridiculous! I can't believe Samsung is forcing MSRP.

even more insane when you can get a PN64D7000 for under $1900! Buy them while you can folks!

Where did you get that pricing from? It's about $2300 right now. I know Fry's had a one time $1799 special but it was only available in SoCal.
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all the models are up with pics/specs on abt

spec sheets:

PN51E8000
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PN51E6500

Only picture quality difference between those models seems to be the clear image panel on E8000. I wonder what that does? More reflections?

Still no info about frame interpolation :/
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