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Now I understand ... they are allegedly adopting a Bose style pricing strategy for their top tier models. The idea you are paying a certain price for a premium product. But it may not apply to the lower models such as the 550, 490, 450, but we shall see.
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Does the fixed pricing mean there will be no week to week sales at various retailers throughout the year? Usually some good sales start in the summer, with better prices by Labor Day and Black Friday. Is the stated MSRP the fixed price throughout the year?

It is likely fixed, however there is precedent from Apple here that might suggest a future path.

Apple products are sold at full retail and 3rd-party sellers essentially must maintain that (yes, there are very, very small variations in some product lines). On Black Friday, however, even Apple itself discounts somewhat. It's not a ton, but then again, we are mostly talking $500-1200 products, not a $3000 TV.

Samsung will probably allow seasonal dealing and some amount of bundling.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Samsung must be delusional if they think their brand value compares with Apple.

Apple can also get away with fixed prices because there are no equivalent alternatives in the market for their products. TV's are more of a commodity where the lowest cost usually wins.

I give this fixed price strategy about a month before they realize their inventory is not moving, while Panasonic and LG get all the sales.
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According to HD guru the list prices have already dropped on the Plasma and Led models. I am not sure if this is MAP or MSRP but it looks like the 60 inch E6500 dropped 200 and the E7000 dropped 300.
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It seems as though the 6500 and 7000 series now also use the same stand as the 8000 series... looking at the images on B&H.

So is the 2012 7000 the exact TV as the 8000 but without the camera and voice/gestures? Also, do you guys think I should try and get a close-out 51D8000 or the new 51E7000? Both can be found at discount or pre-order for ~$1499.
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I have the opportunity to purchase a brand new in-box Pioneer Elite Pro-151d. Just wondering if I should go for it at $5,000, or wait for the pn64e8000 to come out. I currently have a pn63c8000 that isn't bad, but I have the TV bug again..any thoughts?
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I have the opportunity to purchase a brand new in-box Pioneer Elite Pro-151d. Just wondering if I should go for it at $5,000, or wait for the pn64e8000 to come out. I currently have a pn63c8000 that isn't bad, but I have the TV bug again..any thoughts?

The biggest determinations for me would be picture quality, cost, size, and 3D. I personally could do without 3D, so it would come down to performance, cost, and size. I would certainly prefer the extra 4" but not as much as I'd appreciate the (assumingly) better blacks of the Pioneer Elite. However, for $5000 one could get 2 (!) PN60E8000's before long, and by the end of 2012/beginning of 2013 maybe even 2 PN64E8000's as they'ew phased out for a F-series or such.

That being said, at $5000 you're almost in the early adopter market for a 55" OLED, and will likely be in the price range for one in a year or two. That being the case, I'd personally buy a PN60/64E8000 or Panasonic GT/VT50 in 60-65" and put the remaining $2,000-3,000 in the bank towards a OLED TV in a couple years when you have the TV bug again (seeing as your current TV is a 2010 model and you got the bug 2-years later, its likely you'll be totally set in another couple years in 2014 for a new OLED ).

I get the TV bug every 3-4 years myself it seems, and I just bought a 2011 D-series Samsung to hopefully hold me over until 2014-15 when the 'bug' comes back and I'm hoping by then OLEDs will have fully arrived!
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The Samsung fixed pricing stuff is not a rumor. It's been reported on by HD Guru. And it's no discounts period. Now, it might be possible to offer various kinds of bundles and gift cards without running afoul of the rules. It's also possible they will abandon this after hearing feedback from the channel.

But the plan is clear: Most lines will be sold at a fixed price, so you have no need to shop. (This applies to all but the cheapest lines). And, by the way, most of the pricing sucks.

One of the reasons for the fix pricing may be that Samsung plans to spin off its LCD business. For many companies (Samsung, Sony, Sharp, etc.) TV's do nothing but lose money. I would reckon that eventually they may go the way of Phillips: designing the TV's but not responsible for manufacturing or distribution. Only time will tell.
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One of the reasons for the fix pricing may be that Samsung plans to spin off its LCD business. For many companies (Samsung, Sony, Sharp, etc.) TV's do nothing but lose money. I would reckon that eventually they may go the way of Phillips: designing the TV's but not responsible for manufacturing or distribution. Only time will tell.

Why would a company that manufactures and sells tvs be in the business if they lost money?
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Why would a company that manufactures and sells tvs be in the business if they lost money?

Your answer is as good as mine. Phillips could not make it in NA and now Funai manufactures and distributes their TV's.

American consumer expect all the bells and whistles on the cheap (see Pioneer). I do not think Samsung will be the last company to spin TV business off (and sell eventually it to a company based in China or Taiwan). Sony has been losing money on their TV business for years. Same for Sharp and now with yen at historical highs they are really in bad spot with big screen plant in Japan (cost over $1 bil).

If Samsung will make it stick, LG, Sony, etc., the better known brands will follow or quit. More business for fewer brands. Expect higher prices or fewer options (brands and features) as a result, IMO.
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Why would a company that manufactures and sells tvs be in the business if they lost money?

Strange things are done by conglomerates.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Strange things are done by conglomerates.

There is no way that they are losing money.
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There is no way that they are losing money.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...atscreens.html

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The biggest determinations for me would be picture quality, cost, size, and 3D. I personally could do without 3D, so it would come down to performance, cost, and size. I would certainly prefer the extra 4" but not as much as I'd appreciate the (assumingly) better blacks of the Pioneer Elite. However, for $5000 one could get 2 (!) PN60E8000's before long, and by the end of 2012/beginning of 2013 maybe even 2 PN64E8000's as they'ew phased out for a F-series or such.

That being said, at $5000 you're almost in the early adopter market for a 55" OLED, and will likely be in the price range for one in a year or two. That being the case, I'd personally buy a PN60/64E8000 or Panasonic GT/VT50 in 60-65" and put the remaining $2,000-3,000 in the bank towards a OLED TV in a couple years when you have the TV bug again (seeing as your current TV is a 2010 model and you got the bug 2-years later, its likely you'll be totally set in another couple years in 2014 for a new OLED ).

I get the TV bug every 3-4 years myself it seems, and I just bought a 2011 D-series Samsung to hopefully hold me over until 2014-15 when the 'bug' comes back and I'm hoping by then OLEDs will have fully arrived!

Thanks for the thoughts...I'm sure the picture is as good as they say its is on the Elite Pro, but I do enjoy that extra 4 inches of screen when it comes to movies. 3D is a good point too, although not vastly important, I do enjoy some content from time to time..think I will go with the new Sammy Plasma for now, and see how the OLED thing plays out. Thanks!
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Does the fixed pricing mean there will be no week to week sales at various retailers throughout the year? Usually some good sales start in the summer, with better prices by Labor Day and Black Friday. Is the stated MSRP the fixed price throughout the year?

If approved by the manufacturer, yes there can be sale pricing.
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I can't make a decision...I keep changing my mind! Do I go with the Sammy PN51D6500 for $999, or hold out for the PN51E550? Does anybody know if waiting for the improved black panel is worth it? I'm not too crazy about 3D, but you can't get Cinema Smooth on any model lower than the 550, correct? Thanks!
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There is no way that they are losing money.

You're just completely wrong.

Sony, Panasonic, Sharp are all losing money selling TVs.

Samsung and LG are perhaps squeezing out very small profits, but the way they run their books makes that hard to be certain of.

I'm sorry you don't understand how business works, but businesses do very very strange things.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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You're just completely wrong.

Sony, Panasonic, Sharp are all losing money selling TVs.

Samsung and LG are perhaps squeezing out very small profits, but the way they run their books makes that hard to be certain of.

I'm sorry you don't understand how business works, but businesses do very very strange things.

Like selling an AVR that was MSRP for almost $2K, with a simplified consumer version of a $13K+ room correction software, at a 65% discount for new units? With free shipping? That's the Sherwood R-972, BTW.

That's a pretty good definition of 'strange'. But not for an accountant....,

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hey big question here, ok the XXUNES8000 comes with an ir blaster to control set top boxes , blu-rays etc...by voice control , what about the XXpne8000 - it does not get an ir blaster so does that mean it does not have that feature to control set top boxes etc.. with voice control ? the XXUNES8000 comes with 4 pair glasses (in usa) but the XXPNE8000 - only comes with 2 , also the XXUNES8000 comes with 2 remotes 1 regular and 1 smart touch remote , the XXPNE8000 only comes with 1 remote the smart touch remote. kind of a rip off . oh btw guys as far as pricing , i have a preorder for several hundred less than the above stated prices, (on the 64pne8000)so something is fishy with this fixed pricing.

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Like selling an AVR that was MSRP for almost $2K, with a simplified consumer version of a $13K+ room correction software, at a 65% discount for new units? With free shipping? That's the Sherwood R-972, BTW.

That's a pretty good definition of 'strange'. But not for an accountant....,

That sounds strange to me. But, again, not necessarily shocking.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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So did anyone get the new Sammy yet?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842033-REG/a.html


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Why would a company that manufactures and sells tvs be in the business if they lost money?

They have not been losing money every year. As rogo says, it is hard to say what's, what with the way their books are ran. There have been plenty of year's when they where making money.......
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So did anyone get the new Sammy yet?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842033-REG/a.html


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I've been checking all day..never became available or instock..just preorder
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Can anyone confirm that the higher end 2012 Samsung plasmas will include two 3D glasses? ABT has them included, but B&H doesn't mention it on their preorder page.
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Just curious,as mentioned the 2012 PN64E7000 will have better blaacks by 10% over last years models.I currently have the 2011 PN64D8000 with the upgraded S/w version,is it worth getting into the E7000 with the 10% better blacks,or wont I notice THAT much of a difference between models?
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Just curious,as mentioned the 2012 PN64E7000 will have better blaacks by 10% over last years models.I currently have the 2011 PN64D8000 with the upgraded S/w version,is it worth getting into the E7000 with the 10% better blacks,or wont I notice THAT much of a difference between models?

Pending real world testing, unless your viewing environment is the proverbial black cave, it might be tough to notice the difference on most viewing material.
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Even in a bat cave, no human is actually going to detect the 10% better blacks. That's just not a perceivable difference given the levels the Samsung was already at. I find it bizarre they'd even market it.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Even in a bat cave, no human is actually going to detect the 10% better blacks. That's just not a perceivable difference given the levels the Samsung was already at. I find it bizarre they'd even market it.

I agree, 10 percent is fairly minute, going from let's say .05 cd/m2 to .045 cd/m2 will not be detectable. Let's hope they meant 100 percent
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Thats what I thought,but glad i got your inputs also! Thanks!
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I agree, 10 percent is fairly minute, going from let's say .05 cd/m2 to .045 cd/m2 will not be detectable. Let's hope they meant 100 percent

However, if it's 10 percent from Samsung's typical .07/.08 cd/m2 range that puts it closer to the black-levels of Panasonic's 2011 flagship VT30 I believe. The biggest deal would be if enabling Cinema Smooth also is 10% better AND it doesn't worsen black-levels at all when enabled. It would be about time for that to finally happen... though both of those alone wouldn't be enough for me to upgrade from my PN59D8000. I'd actually more miss the extra inch of screen, smaller bezel/design, and lighter weight more I think...
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