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36.5 and 0.006fL for a contrast ratio of 6083:1),

on/off contrast ratio can be misleading. The black levels measured using on screen content or an ANSI pattern on 2011 Samsung's approximately doubled depending on APL. In that respect the 2011 Panny's did a better job (btw, I'm a Samsung owner).

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the es7500 /8000 are out and have been , the e8000 is available for preorder and will actually be available on march 19th, in stores !!! that is a fact. i know cause I will have mine on the 19th ( i was told the 18th but thats sunday, so i figure monday)by samsung. so the es7500/8000 can be tested by retailers that have them. one person already gave pics of the es7500 in his store. and amazon has the 46-55-60 unes8000.


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I think thats the case with the panels up to 50",I was told by Samsung that the larger 59" and 64" panels wont be available untill months later,Im not sure how much truth there is to that,but thats coming from Samsung.
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on/off contrast ratio can be misleading. The black levels measured using on screen content or an ANSI pattern on 2011 Samsung's approximately doubled depending on APL. In that respect the 2011 Panny's did a better job (btw, I'm a Samsung owner).

God bless.

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the es7500 /8000 are out and have been , the e8000 is available for preorder and will actually be available on march 19th, in stores !!! that is a fact. i know cause I will have mine on the 19th ( i was told the 18th but thats sunday, so i figure monday

So the PNE8000 line is due to be available for delivery March 18/19, is that right?
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So the PNE8000 line is due to be available for delivery March 18/19, is that right?

I hope so. I'm hopeful the flbr issue is resolved on these e series pdps too.
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abt, an official samsung online retailer, has stock of the 60E8000. here's the link:

http://www.abt.com/product/59634/Sam...8000GFXZA.html
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I hope so. I'm hopeful the flbr issue is resolved on these e series pdps too.

Samsung reps say it is... I realize that doesn't mean much, but at least shows they knew about it. We can hope and apparently will know in about a week (with some time for testing to confirm).

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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FBr issue was resolved for the the 2011 sets with a logic board update so one would presume they will use the same timing patterns for the 2012s.

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PN64E8000 available now! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search...tialSearch=yes

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Any differences between the E6500, E7000 and E8000 panels? The E6500 might be the value pick of the year if they perform the same (ostensibly).
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At CES the bezel looked black... this one looks dark silver/grey.
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At CES the bezel looked black... this one looks dark silver/grey.

See, I saw it at CES, and it looked dark grey to me. Then Chris @ Cleveland Plasma came back and described it as really much darker than last year (I felt it was really similar) and I thought maybe multiple units were there with different bezels -- not impossible at the prototype stage.

That's why I'm confused about reports of blackness. I never saw this really dark bezel and I really went the E series was more or less the same as the D series. I guess we'll know really soon.

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At CES the bezel looked black... this one looks dark silver/grey.

That photo isn't accurate. The bezel is titan black and the stand is also black. Katzmaier has some "real world" photos on cnet. http://reviews.cnet.com/2300-33199_7-10011523.html

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Does anyone know when the 51 is coming?
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Check abt.

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Does anyone know when the 51 is coming?

http://www.abt.com/product/59626/Sam...6500EFXZA.html

Edit: Oops, that's the E6500, but it's in stock.

Here's the E8000 (not in stock): http://www.abt.com/product/59633/Sam...8000GFXZA.html
E7000 (also not in stock): http://www.abt.com/product/59629/Sam...7000FFXZA.html
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http://www.abt.com/product/59626/Sam...6500EFXZA.html

Edit: Oops, that's the E6500, but it's in stock.

Here's the E8000 (not in stock): http://www.abt.com/product/59633/Sam...8000GFXZA.html
E7000 (also not in stock): http://www.abt.com/product/59629/Sam...7000FFXZA.html

I called ABT and they're saying toward the end of the month. No specific date.
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Any differences between the E6500, E7000 and E8000 panels? The E6500 might be the value pick of the year if they perform the same (ostensibly).

I'm trying to get the answer to this too.
So far the only difference I hav e found is the bezel is smaller on the 7000 than the 6500, .2" vs. .5", plus the 6500 is black vs. the 7000 being titantium gray.
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I'm trying to get the answer to this too.
So far the only difference I hav e found is the bezel is smaller on the 7000 than the 6500, .2" vs. .5", plus the 6500 is black vs. the 7000 being titantium gray.

Where did you get that info?

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on/off contrast ratio can be misleading. The black levels measured using on screen content or an ANSI pattern on 2011 Samsung's approximately doubled depending on APL. In that respect the 2011 Panny's did a better job (btw, I'm a Samsung owner).

Pre or Post FBr firmware? or both?

I read reports where some said the black levels were worse after the firmware, then others who said it was better. Confusing...

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From what I've been able to figure out the E7000 adds to the E6500 a dual-core processor, expandable tech slot (maybe more memory in the future, no plans yet and may not ever be used) and better speakers. It is also slightly thinner.

The E8000 adds the Smart Interaction with voice control, gesture control and facial recognition. It also has a built-in camera for Skype, automatic brightness adjust, additional USB port, and better image filter for angled viewing.

All three include internet browser, 2 sets of 3D glasses, and the better real black panel processing.

I was going to buy a E7000 as soon as it was released, but now I'm leaning towards the E6500. I have a surround sound system and HTPC hooked up to it, so I'm not worried about the better speakers or faster apps. I'd rather use the savings on a new subwoofer. Unless anyone knows of another reason I'm missing to get the E7000.
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Pre or Post FBr firmware? or both?

I read reports where some said the black levels were worse after the firmware, then others who said it was better. Confusing...

There were some reports (qualitative) of a slight decrease in mll after the logic board update and one measurement I know of where it came down slightly. So I'd call it a marginal improvement, maybe this is the 10% bump they have claimed for 2012 models.

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Yep, echoing what I noted above. We need a real test before reaching a conclusion.

Tests were done at the new York conference showing production model e8000
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The bezel dimensions came from an abt salesman.
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I was at the new york spring showcase , I can tell you that the e8000 looked super. I just really want to see what the pn60e8000 looks like in my home when it gets here. If all goes well then I will purchase the pn64e8000 from ve , if not as great as I hope i guess then looking at the gt50 from ve comes with a 310 br player for about the same price. Ugh I love new tv's but I hate trying to figure out which one to buy.

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the es7500 /8000 are out and have been , the e8000 is available for preorder and will actually be available on march 19th, in stores !!! that is a fact. i know cause I will have mine on the 19th ( i was told the 18th but thats sunday, so i figure monday)by samsung. so the es7500/8000 can be tested by retailers that have them. one person already gave pics of the es7500 in his store. and amazon has the 46-55-60 unes8000.
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You are right, the ES and E series LED's have been out. No need to test them as they are a standard edge lit LED. Now if they where local dimming, that would be a different story.......

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Chris, are you going to be directly comparing the ST50 and E6500 panels by chance?
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Tests were done at the new York conference showing production model e8000

Yes, a Samsung showcase on a model they pre-selected. That's hardly an objective -- or comprehensive -- test platform.

I'm not saying the news isn't promising, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

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I was at the new york spring showcase , I can tell you that the e8000 looked super. I just really want to see what the pn60e8000 looks like in my home when it gets here. If all goes well then I will purchase the pn64e8000 from ve , if not as great as I hope i guess then looking at the gt50 from ve comes with a 310 br player for about the same price. Ugh I love new tv's but I hate trying to figure out which one to buy.

Or wait for the Awesome OLEDs in 2013!

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