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Hi guys first time poster! I am having a difficult time deciding between the two models mentioned. I can get either for the exact same price. I know the differences as far as looks go but which one will be a better buy? 3D is important to me and I am curious if either set has the"soap opera effect."

I apologize if this question gets asked alot, but I would greatly appreciate any insight that might make my decision easier.

Edit: subject should be between a ST30 and VT25
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Shameless bump! Sorry guys but the deal I can get will not last forever! Can anyone help me compare these two models please?
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If your trying to pick the tv that is the better of the two. Get the VT. Can't go wrong with it. I for one love it.
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I appreciate the response, I think my problem is the more I read and learn the harder the decision becomes lol.

That said, I really like the fact that the ST30 uses a better 3D chip. I just have this gut feeling if I dont get the VT25 I will always ask myself what could have been.
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I appreciate the response, I think my problem is the more I read and learn the harder the decision becomes lol.

That said, I really like the fact that the ST30 uses a better 3D chip. I just have this gut feeling if I dont get the VT25 I will always ask myself what could have been.

You won't notice a difference in 3D performance between the two. Overall picture quality is the difference you'd see.
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You won't notice a difference in 3D performance between the two. Overall picture quality is the difference you'd see.

So,if that be the case, what about the soap opera effect I keep seeing discussed? Will the VT25 or the ST30 have that feature? I know its not an attractive feature to most, but if I can get it on either set(with the option to turn it off manually) I could be swayed one way or the other. Leaning towards the VT25 right now due to the advice thus far.
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FYI - VT25 has rising blacks.

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So,if that be the case, what about the soap opera effect I keep seeing discussed? Will the VT25 or the ST30 have that feature? I know its not an attractive feature to most, but if I can get it on either set(with the option to turn it off manually) I could be swayed one way or the other. Leaning towards the VT25 right now due to the advice thus far.

Neither set will produce SOE to the extreme. LCD sets tend to show it more. That bring said. That effect would be more visible in the VT then the ST. You'd be able to turn it off if you'd like to as well.
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FYI - VT25 has rising blacks.

Thanks for the info David. The problem Im not sure If I am really picky enough to notice this. I have had a rather lackluster 1080i Philips plasma for the last 6 years and Im certain that this tv has that problem because the black level is rather poor. It wasnt quite that bad when I bought it.

So I take it that the general consensus is that the VT25 is the better set if your willing to settle for the rising blacks and no wifi support out of the box.

Thanks everyone for your comments!
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You won't notice the rising blacks. It takes years for them to rise. Even then those blacks will still be darker then the ST30. People complain about things they don't see. Thats AVS for you.
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You won't notice the rising blacks. It takes years for them to rise. Even then those blacks will still be darker then the ST30. People complain about things they don't see. Thats AVS for you.

Thanks JukeBox360, you have been awesome! As have all of you! I am headed to the store now to get that VT25! Wont really get to use it for 4 days while I do the panel aging procedure but should have it ready to go by the weekend for Football! On that subject is it hard to access the service menu? I havent got that far into the ginormous post about the calibrated settings.
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Thanks JukeBox360, you have been awesome! As have all of you! I am headed to the store now to get that VT25! Wont really get to use it for 4 days while I do the panel aging procedure but should have it ready to go by the weekend for Football! On that subject is it hard to access the service menu? I havent got that far into the ginormous post about the calibrated settings.

I advise you do not go into the SM menu unless you fully know what your doing. You could damage your set to the point where your screwed. I believe D-Nice has the best settings and things you can do to this set right when you get it. I'll look it up and see if I can give you a link. Give me about 2 mins.
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okay Im trying to find the thread on it too
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Here are the directions on what settings to use while doing it. LINK

Ok. Here is the link to your exact display.
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Do the 1st link 1st. After your done. Do the second. You won't find anything better then those settings. Good Luck!
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Here are the directions on what settings to use while doing it. LINK

Ok. Here is the link to your exact display.

Thank you kind sir, Ill review that material carefully
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Your most welcome.
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What happened with the floating blacks in the 2010 models? If floating blacks didn't get resolved then purchase the ST30.
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What happened with the floating blacks in the 2010 models? If floating blacks didn't get resolved then purchase the ST30.

In 2010 that(fb) was considered a feature Never resolved, doest ever bother me on my 2010 model but I know for others it was an issue.

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Funny they considered it a "feature."
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You won't notice the rising blacks. It takes years for them to rise. Even then those blacks will still be darker then the ST30. People complain about things they don't see. Thats AVS for you.

The rising black issue is dependent on hours. To say it will takes years to notice them - you cannot say what people's viewing habits are as there have already been reports by people who have noticed them rise - especially if viewing in a dark environment.

The 60-65" ST30 have nearly the same MLL as the 65VT30. Sizes below 60" have higher MLLs.

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Thanks for the info David. The problem Im not sure If I am really picky enough to notice this. I have had a rather lackluster 1080i Philips plasma for the last 6 years and Im certain that this tv has that problem because the black level is rather poor. It wasnt quite that bad when I bought it.

So I take it that the general consensus is that the VT25 is the better set if your willing to settle for the rising blacks and no wifi support out of the box.

Thanks everyone for your comments!

According to Tom Norton's review and comparison at Home Theater Mag, the image was about even between the two except the blacks were higher on the ST30 as he reviewed a smaller model. However, my guess is the VT25 will measure a little bit better in terms of color, gamma, and grayscale once pro cal'd.

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i would get the st30 pretty much the same pic and you dont have floating blacks
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It isn't the same picture. The VT is the better TV. Either way the OP went out and got what he wanted. No need to continue.
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Have you seen floating blacks? It can be extremely annoying. Of course there is a chance that he obtains a set that doesn't show it that much, but if he gets a bad one then it is very distracting and it would not be a better purchase than buying a 2011 model.
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Have you seen floating blacks? It can be extremely annoying. Of course there is a chance that he obtains a set that doesn't show it that much, but if he gets a bad one then it is very distracting and it would not be a better purchase than buying a 2011 model.

Yes. I've seen it in my GT25. I've seen it far worse on other sets to the point where I would not want to own the TV. Haven't seen it be to bad on the VT.
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Hey all, just wanted to say that I just got the VT25 home and started the panel aging process. See ya in 4 days lol... I kid I kid. To be honest, I was really looking to get the best tv I could for the money. I'm not sure if I can post exactly what price I got it for, but suffice it to say it was under a grand!!

I am not a videophile so if it has rising or floating blacks I probably won't notice and moreover, for the price I got on it I'd be happy if I only get 3-4 years of use out of it.

I really appreciate everyones comments and I hope that this tv buying bug I seem to have caught fades away. Otherwise, the tv may not last as long as I think it will lol!
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you won't notice the rising blacks. It takes years for them to rise. Even then those blacks will still be darker then the st30. People complain about things they don't see. Thats avs for you.

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You won't notice the rising blacks. It takes years for them to rise. Even then those blacks will still be darker then the ST30. People complain about things they don't see. Thats AVS for you.

Try telling that to someone whose blacks rose 3x in a little over a year (2009 model). Dark movies look terrible now.
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That's an 09 model. It was worse then.
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