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post #3331 of 9989 Old 06-03-2012, 08:17 AM
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Have definitely noticed this. Still, it's not a deal breaker for me.

Anyone else have difficulty getting the iOS app to discover the television on their network?

I'm just trying to not notice it again. My V10 had the same thing but it seemed to get better over time.
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Does the TV have to be at eye level? I know the horizontal viewing angle is great on this TV , but what about the vertical?

Not exactly at eye level, but if your tv is above a fireplace and not tilted down or if the tv sits low and someone is viewing it from above (bar stool?) the image quality will change.

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Not exactly at eye level, but if your tv is above a fireplace and not tilted down or if the tv sits low and someone is viewing it from above (bar stool?) the image quality will change.

Mine is at eye level. It's definitely the application of the filter. It's been an issue on every plasma I've owned to some degree except the Samsung E8000.
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Some people do have issues with the AR filter (actually AR filters in general) so there is always the option of going with the UT series.
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http://youtube.com/results?q=tcp60st...?v=Xv6NgF_MhcA

My set is suffering from this. Don't watch hockey but still wondering is this the source or a real issue with the set?
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I watch hockey and don't have this issue at all.
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Unfortunately it looks like the louvre filter adds vertical lines during panning shots, like the Kuro, only less blotchy and more like evenly spaced vertical faint lines. Took me days to see it, but now I can't not see it. It's the only negative on an otherwise outstanding set. I'm bummed though.

Nooooo! A day away from getting my set and I find out there are gonna be lines when I watch football?! Say it ain't so.
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Nooooo! A day away from getting my set and I find out there are gonna be lines when I watch football?! Say it ain't so.

You may not see it during football. Only certain conditions really bring it out. I can see it during the scrolling pattern sometimes.
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At a viewing distance of 10 feet, on the 60ST50, would elevating the center of the screen 2 feet higher than eye level (or, bottom of the screen 3' 4" from the ground) significantly affect picture quality?
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At a viewing distance of 10 feet, on the 60ST50, would elevating the center of the screen 2 feet higher than eye level (or, bottom of the screen 3' 4" from the ground) significantly affect picture quality?

Not as long as you tilt it down a little bit. The louvre filter on this TV severely limits vertical viewing angles.
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Not as long as you tilt it down a little bit. The louvre filter on this TV severely limits vertical viewing angles.

its on a stand, not wall mounted , so i cant really tilt it
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its on a stand, not wall mounted , so i cant really tilt it

I think that would be problematic. The bottom of mine is 29" off the ground and when reclining in my recliner 10' away i can just barely see the effects of the louvre filter on the top. I'm going to put a couple of washer on the mount to let it tilt down a degree or two to eliminate it.
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I think that would be problematic. The bottom of mine is about 30" off the ground and when reclining in my recliner 10' away i can just barely see the effects of the louvre filter on the top.

yeah, the top starts to dim, right?
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yeah, the top starts to dim, right?

Yup.
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Yup.

very few reviews mentioned the terrible vertical viewing angles this TV has. oh well.


if you were going to angle the stand, how would you do it?
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very few reviews mentioned the terrible vertical viewing angles this TV has. oh well.


if you were going to angle the stand, how would you do it?

Personally, I don't think I would do that. Too much danger of it falling. Is it possible to mount to the wall? You can get a mount for about $20.
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very few reviews mentioned the terrible vertical viewing angles this TV has. oh well.


if you were going to angle the stand, how would you do it?

i will be mounting this tv above my fireplace, with a pretty heavy forward tilt

fireplace mantle extends about 4 feet up, and the tv will be mounted 2 inches off -

think ill have issues with the filter?
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Can somebody please help me ... I've read a lot about the break in process for plasmas. I've read post after post after post of people using the process. But i've spent literally the last 30 minutes trying to find the slides everyone is talking about. Google sends me to post after post where people talk about them. I found only one post that was supposed to link to them but the link led to an empty page. Help!
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Can somebody please help me ... I've read a lot about the break in process for plasmas. I've read post after post after post of people using the process. But i've spent literally the last 30 minutes trying to find the slides everyone is talking about. Google sends me to post after post where people talk about them. I found only one post that was supposed to link to them but the link led to an empty page. Help!

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very few reviews mentioned the terrible vertical viewing angles this TV has. oh well.

That's because people don't watch TV at extreme vertical angles so it's not an issue. The Louvre Filter acts kind of like window mini-blinds; it rejects ambient room light and overhead lighting so if you stand over the TV and look downward, the image is dark. But if you lay on the floor and look up at the TV at the same angle the image is nowhere near as dark as it was from above. This is to facilitate wall mounting where the TV will be above eye level yet the image still looks good up to a point. But from above, it's horrible but that's ok because Nobody looks DOWN at their TV in normal viewing.

You should go to a store and look downward at a ST50/GT50/VT50 at say a 45 degree angle, then stoop down and look upward at it from below at a 45 degree angle and you'll see how much different it looks from top vs bottom.


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if you were going to angle the stand, how would you do it?

I would build a huge wedge-shaped shim to place beneath the base to lean the TV a bit forward (it can take a little forward tilt without becoming unstable - i've tried it) then i'd affix an "earthquake strap" to the back of the TV or the base just to be safe.

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I still have time to exchange my set with Amazon. Wondering if there's a shot I could get a set with less DSE. Thing is, this set doesn't buzz at all....ever. Nervous a replacement will have the same issues or worse with possible buzz.
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I thought the filter was really going to bother me, but the job it does of rejecting ambient light is awesome. In the past I would watch movies really passively in my room. I'd put something on and just walk around and periodically glance at it while I was doing something else. If I do that with this set the image appears darker while standing. A minor annoyance really, considering what a good job it does in bright situations. Fair trade off IMO.

things are going to get worse and worse and never get better again.
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The picture on this TV is genuinely extraordinary.
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very few reviews mentioned the terrible vertical viewing angles this TV has. oh well.


if you were going to angle the stand, how would you do it?

Maybe they didn't mention it because its not an issue.
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The picture on this TV is genuinely extraordinary.

+1

I am using D-Nice's settings and they really work great on my set. Skin tones are SO good and every thing looks very accurate. I am particularly impressed with motion handling. I was watching one of the aerial shows on Smithsonian HD and the camera pans looked solid. Quality feeds from my Fios box and anything on Bluray result in serious eye candy.
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Has anyone gone from a vt/gt to an st? I have a 65 VT on order but after reading so many great reviews I'm begining to reconsider. One thing I'm particuliarly interested in is DSE. See more posts about that on the gt/vt fourm than here. Are you folks seeing any DSE? Also wondering if those few extra "benefits" of the VT (more shades of gradiation, ultra black panel) result in real word improved PQ.
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http://youtube.com/results?q=tcp60st...?v=Xv6NgF_MhcA

My set is suffering from this. Don't watch hockey but still wondering is this the source or a real issue with the set?

What mode are you using? Because the video I see in your link only says he seen it in Standard mode with CATS off. Also that it does not happen in Custom mode. What mode is it affecting you on your set?
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Does anyone happen to know what the last couple of software updates have done? After a few months of ownership I am continually impressed by this TV.
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Does anyone happen to know what the last couple of software updates have done? After a few months of ownership I am continually impressed by this TV.

I was wondering the same thing. I did notice that Netflix no longer flashes when upgrading or decreasing the stream quality. That may have been one correction. Before this update, the screen would go black for a split second when it was adjusting the image quality based off available bandwidth.

The more I watch this set the better it seems to me. The black levels on this set are INSANE!!!
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