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I require at least 7 full days with a display before I feel comfortable with doing a write-up. So far, I've only spent 4 days with the ST50. Don't expect a write-up from me in the next week or two.

Try to watch some hockey or basketball if you can.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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Somebody also mentioned a faint green line about 2 inches from the right of the screen, top to bottom. Any idea if this will be common? Will all sst50 sets have these screen issues?

Not sure how relevant this is, but my set (US model though) has a line from top to bottom around the same area - pretty visible during color slides - but not green. Appears it takes on the same color as the slides, just a different shade or brightness level or something.
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Anyone have or see this set yet ? comments? ratings? Still not out at Best Buys.

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Not sure how relevant this is, but my set (US model though) has a line from top to bottom around the same area - pretty visible during color slides - but not green. Appears it takes on the same color as the slides, just a different shade or brightness level or something.

I've had 3 vt20 that had this, also my vt30 had it but was never noticeable. I think Panasonic have this to some degree in all there plasmas, I've seen it on sets in future shop as well, some more noticeable that others.
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The numbers I was getting through searching recently for the smaller ST30s were in the 0.006 - 0.009 range and 0.004 - 0.005 for the VT30. The larger sizes, I didn't really find any numbers for the ST30, but I read ~0.0036 for the VT30.

Were the ST and GT about the same last year for mll?

Hi Guys

The Brits had their review out on Thursday 22/03/12

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pana...81/Review.html

"Whilst the Kuro still has the edge, the blacks on the P50ST50B were some of the best we've seen from a current display and certainly comparable to last year's VT30 but at a fraction of the cost."



They've given the ST50 the thumbs up!, might persuade me to jump over from my tweaked LG 50PX950 if I decide to go up in size.

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HDTVtest.co.uk measured the ST50's mll lower than the VT30.

Keep in mind that the EU model seems have a slightly lower mll than the NA model (~0.003fL vs ~0.0049). Plus the EU model has a CMS.
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what is mll?

and what about Brightness?

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Minimum Luminance Level. Pretty much the measured black level at a black screen.

All reviewers mention that brightness has improved this year. Add the improved black levels and gamma (plus better color) and the ST50 will probably look much punchier this year.
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Black levels are a bit overrated - a picture IMO must have excellent "pop"

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Black levels are a bit overrated - a picture IMO must have excellent "pop"

What do you think creates that "pop". Im not saying its the only component, but its a major factor

consider the source
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Black levels are a bit overrated - a picture IMO must have excellent "pop"

Overrated? That "pop" is related to blacks, the deeper the blacks, the more prominent the colors appear to our eyes. Same goes for your viewing environment, doesn't your picture have more "pop" when the room is darkened? Doesn't matter what kind of display you have, a super bright picture from your LED or a dimmer plasma, they all "pop" more when your room is darker. The same goes for the display panel itself.
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I noticed this too looking at the MSRP's from Panny's site. Why the 65" is so disproportionately more expensive than the other sizes is anyone's guess. Maybe somewhere between 60 and 65 inches, they had to amp up the power source or something...couldn't get away with tweaking it past 60..?

So does D Nice have a detailed review up yet guys? Link?

It's truely only an academic exercise and personal choice. I don't think there are many people paying MSRP.

I waited until August last year to buy the P65ST30 when street prices reached $2k. And I think there was only a difference in street price of $300 between the 65" and the 60". I can't wait until August this year.
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Black levels are a bit overrated - a picture IMO must have excellent "pop"

I agree that 'pop', or contrast is the most important factor for PQ. But black levels are the number one factor for contrast, so I don't see how it could be overrated.
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Minimum Luminance Level. Pretty much the measured black level at a black screen.

All reviewers mention that brightness has improved this year. Add the improved black levels and gamma (plus better color) and the ST50 will probably look much punchier this year.

Is gamma improved or just easier to dial in? Out of the box gamma is low on the ST50.

In his review, Robert stated the following (Ed Johnson calibrated that set): In the Custom mode you have the most settings available, but they are limited to; gray scale control you only have two point adjustments RGB high or Low, gamma are 1.8, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 and S curve, we selected 2.6 and ended up with a flat 2.2.

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I received my 55ST50 yesterday and started running the slides this morning at 9AM CST

The TV is located in a closet, but I notice no heat.

Unfortunately, during the white slide there is a distinct buzzing from the rear of the panel.

When I viewed the TV at Fry's, I didn't detect any buzzing, and how often do you view just a white screen?

It'll be interesting to see if I can detect any buzzing at ~8ft away on Wednesday. I doubt it'll be an issue, though.

Other than that, the display is beautiful.
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Black levels are a bit overrated - a picture IMO must have excellent "pop"

You know... I went to see the hunger games at my local cineplex tonight. Movie was **** but this theater near us is fantastic! Well run digital projectors, premium accommodations, super comfortable leather seating and the sound system... Oh the sound system! Punchy and detailed and loud without being fatiguing. In a word: powerful.

But as much as I enjoy going to the theater... I couldn't help but notice that the black levels on the image weren't as good as what I'm used to at home... Lol!

I'm a sucker for deep dark black but I agree that maybe we put a little TOO much emphasis on something that already crushes what is available at the theater!

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Black levels are a bit overrated - a picture IMO must have excellent "pop"

look up 'contrast ratio'

I'll save you some time...it's basically the difference between your brightest whites and your darkest blacks...
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It'll be interesting to see if I can detect any buzzing at ~8ft away on Wednesday. I doubt it'll be an issue, though.

Other than that, the display is beautiful.

Mine has some definite buzzing on all the slides. It's reasonably loud if I put my ear up to within a few inches of the rear of the TV, but farther away the noise level falls off quickly, and I can't even hear it while facing the front of the TV at all (no matter how close I seem to get).

It's definitely worse during certain slides. But unless it gets significantly louder I should be blissfully unaware during actual viewing.
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You know... I went to see the hunger games at my local cineplex tonight. Movie was **** but this theater near us is fantastic! Well run digital projectors, premium accommodations, super comfortable leather seating and the sound system... Oh the sound system! Punchy and detailed and loud without being fatiguing. In a word: powerful.

But as much as I enjoy going to the theater... I couldn't help but notice that the black levels on the image weren't as good as what I'm used to at home... Lol!

I'm a sucker for deep dark black but I agree that maybe we put a little TOO much emphasis on something that already crushes what is available at the theater!

Digital projection will never match good old film when it comes to black levels.
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There should be a 75, any model will do

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the first plasma maker to start putting out 70-80" plasmas into their main consumer line up for regular consumer prices can steal all the sharp 70-80" customers with superior PQ and capture all the plasma lovers that have been screaming for bigger and bigger screens. Especially since they would be the only ones to offer it. Anyone wanting an 80" plasma would have to go there so just by default they'd get a lot of action on it. Especially at bargain ST50 prices, imagine a 70,75,80" versions of the st50 for killer prices. I think Panasonic would get a well needed revenue boost if they implemented these huge sizes across their lineup. They'd have the plasma market completely cornered at those sizes.

And little disappointed the st50 has brighter blacks than my Sammy un55b8500 full array local dimmer. I hope the 55vt50 will keep the same lead on the st50 the vt30 had on the st30. If that holds up the vt50 should be very close to kuro blacks (surpassing 8g kuro maybe equaling 9g kuro) and will make it worth upgrading cause Samsung has let me down and has still not even beaten the PQ bar set by it's 2009 flagship tv. 3 years in a row you've sucked samsung!
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Mine has some definite buzzing on all the slides. It's reasonably loud if I put my ear up to within a few inches of the rear of the TV, but farther away the noise level falls off quickly, and I can't even hear it while facing the front of the TV at all (no matter how close I seem to get).

It's definitely worse during certain slides. But unless it gets significantly louder I should be blissfully unaware during actual viewing.

I agree.

I just checked it out again, and there is definitely some buzzing with all slides, but it is significantly worse with the white slide.

But I can only hear it with my head really close to the rear of the panel.

I imagine when it is on the wall and I'm 8' away, there wont be a problem.

I was worried about buying one of the first panels, but I'm not terribly worried now. I just had to buy it after comparing it to the D8000 and E8000 at Fry's. Especially for the price I got.

And to compare, I had a decent LED before I bought this (LG 55LW5600), but I gave it to my parents as they view TV in a brighter environment than me. The LG simply cannot compare when it comes to viewing blacks in a completely dark room.

Thank you D-nice and Chad for your reviews, and thank you everyone else for your continued feedback and questions.
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all plasmas make some detectable noise when you put your ear right on it especially when you are making the screen use the most power driving full white. The electricty just makes noise going through some components no 1 can completely eliminate it but at normal viewing distances most of the time atleast, it wont effect you.
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the first plasma maker to start putting out 70-80" plasmas into their main consumer line up for regular consumer prices can steal all the sharp 70-80" customers with superior PQ and capture all the plasma lovers that have been screaming for bigger and bigger screens. Especially since they would be the only ones to offer it. Anyone wanting an 80" plasma would have to go there so just by default they'd get a lot of action on it. Especially at bargain ST50 prices, imagine a 70,75,80" versions of the st50 for killer prices. I think Panasonic would get a well needed revenue boost if they implemented these huge sizes across their lineup. They'd have the plasma market completely cornered at those sizes.

And little disappointed the st50 has brighter blacks than my Sammy un55b8500 full array local dimmer. I hope the 55vt50 will keep the same lead on the st50 the vt30 had on the st30. If that holds up the vt50 should be very close to kuro blacks (surpassing 8g kuro maybe equaling 9g kuro) and will make it worth upgrading cause Samsung has let me down and has still not even beaten the PQ bar set by it's 2009 flagship tv. 3 years in a row you've sucked samsung!

Well, ur b8500 is well known to be one of the best sets ever made... basically an early version of the Sharp Elite,considering Samsung was sued by Sharp for stealing their tech that year, an Samsung hasn,'t made a full-array local dimming set since then....I would love to get my hands on a b8500 or a Sony xbr8!
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Well, ur b8500 is well known to be one of the best sets ever made... basically an early version of the Sharp Elite,considering Samsung was sued by Sharp for stealing their tech that year, an Samsung hasn,'t made a full-array local dimming set since then....I would love to get my hands on a b8500 or a Sony xbr8!

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If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Actually, I haven't paid a lot of attention to the 2011 lineup TBH. I usually only frequently visit these boards when I'm looking to buy a new TV (like now) - otherwise I just occasionally visit. The numbers I was getting through searching recently for the smaller ST30s were in the 0.006 - 0.009 range and 0.004 - 0.005 for the VT30. The larger sizes, I didn't really find any numbers for the ST30, but I read ~0.0036 for the VT30.

Were the ST and GT about the same last year for mll?

ST and GT were not the same under 60". It's a nice improvement this year, since the ST50 is measuring slightly under where the GT30 was. It would be great if the GT50 measured that much better, but it's looking like it'll be minimal so...I'm sort of waiting for a VT60

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My Local BBY got the 55st50 on display yesterday. North Carolina locations.
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Yep, it's for sale here in Milwaukee, WI as well in a few locations. I really want the 50" which is still no where to be seen.
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Not sure how relevant this is, but my set (US model though) has a line from top to bottom around the same area - pretty visible during color slides - but not green. Appears it takes on the same color as the slides, just a different shade or brightness level or something.


I went looking for this after you mentioned it and at first thought I didn't have it, but now I do see it in the darker gray slides only. Is this something Panasonic could fix through an update or like they did with the problems on last year's ST30s?


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Unfortunately, during the white slide there is a distinct buzzing from the rear of the panel.

I notice this too. Hoping I won't notice it once the slides are done and I start watching movies.
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all plasmas make some detectable noise when you put your ear right on it especially when you are making the screen use the most power driving full white. The electricty just makes noise going through some components no 1 can completely eliminate it but at normal viewing distances most of the time atleast, it wont effect you.

Interesting. I won't worry about it then.
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I went looking for this after you mentioned it and at first thought I didn't have it, but now I do see it in the darker gray slides only. Is this something Panasonic could fix through an update or like they did with the problems on last year's ST30s?

I have no idea regarding the answer to your question, but I did want to add it appears to have become less noticeable after a few days running slides. Seems like the screen uniformity overall looks better as well.
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