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The level of costs per unit for printing and transport may be additional for Canada but do not add up to hundreds of dollars per unit.........and discounts are usually not as large in Canada unless it is a real special sale or when the model year is changing.

I am interested in buying the 60ST50 or maybe the 65VT50....but will need to see the dif in performance and cost to buy each..

If the US orders in a much higher volume, that's gotta account for something, too.

I'm not pleased with the fact that we pay more either, but Panasonic isn't that bad compared to the competition.

Regardless if our price is a few hundred more, the ST50's performance is still VERY good for the price considering it arguably outperforms the VT30 overall.
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From what I've been reading a lot of folks are very happy with the PS3 3D glasses from Sony.

If the new sets only use Bluetooth those will not work with them. They are strictly IR glasses.

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If the new sets only use Bluetooth those will not work with them. They are strictly IR glasses.

Yep. I was mistaken. Amazon is selling the new Panny glasses for around sixty bucks though, which is a good deal.
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We always pay more up here... the value of the dollar hardly affected anything. If you are a manufacturer why change it when we are already used to it?

I'm gonna bet that amazon.ca's price will be very comparable to the price in all the stores.

As far as the slides go... I could have sworn in one of the threads D-Nice said with the new sets the slides may not even be needed. I guess he hasnt finished his review yet so we cant say for sure but something to keep in mind.
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Wrong thread. Sorry.
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So my $999 purchase last Saturday at Sears of the P55ST30 was pretty good ?
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Wrong thread. Sorry.

Me too then LOL!
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So my $999 purchase last Saturday at Sears of the P55ST30 was pretty good ?

Target has it for 899, go price match.
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ST50 is without a doubt best bang for the buck of 2012. According to the first vt50 review the black levels on the vt50 are just ever so slightly better than the st50's. Guess we'll have to see if the extra gradiation steps makes a big difference or not.
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It seems as though there are already more reports of buzzing on the ST50 than the ST30. I had an 60 inch ST30 and I noticed no buzzing at all. Could this be because the ST50 is a brighter TV?

Can anyone compare the ST50 buzzing to the Samsung buzz? Better or worse? There was noticeable buzzing on my PN59D7000 and I had to return it because it drove me crazy.
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If the US orders in a much higher volume, that's gotta account for something, too.

I'm not pleased with the fact that we pay more either, but Panasonic isn't that bad compared to the competition.

Regardless if our price is a few hundred more, the ST50's performance is still VERY good for the price considering it arguably outperforms the VT30 overall.

It's $500 more across the board. All models and sizes. We pay the same for an ST as Americans pay for a VT yet our dollar is worth more
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Huh? That's not what I'm seeing...

Amazon CDN pricing (assumed to be MSRP) vs US MSRP

ST50:
50" 1,499.99 -> 1,399.99
55" 1,999.99 -> 1,699.99
60" 2,499.99 -> 2,099.99
65" 3,199.99 -> 2,999.99

GT50:
50": 1,999.99 -> 1,799.99
55": 2,499.99 -> 2,099.99
60": 2,999.99 -> 2,599.99
65": 3,699.99 -> 3,299.99

VT50 (found CDN prices elsewhere, not confirmed to be MSRP either):
55: 2,999.99 -> 2,499.99
65: 4,499.99 -> 3,699.99

We're especially getting screwed on the VT series. Kind of mad that the TV I'm buying has one of the bigger discrepancies (60ST50).
With that said, again, it's not just Panasonic, unfortunately.
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It seems as though there are already more reports of buzzing on the ST50 than the ST30. I had an 60 inch ST30 and I noticed no buzzing at all. Could this be because the ST50 is a brighter TV?

Can anyone compare the ST50 buzzing to the Samsung buzz? Better or worse? There was noticeable buzzing on my PN59D7000 and I had to return it because it drove me crazy.

I have the 50st50 and while there may be some slight buzzing, I haven't noticed anything near annoying levels. I had a samsung d6500 from last year and that set was horrible even after trying three different sets ( a lot of FBr problems on that one). Also the st50 doesn't seem to get as hot as previous years pdp and i have not had any IR yet and I play a lot of games. A lot... One negative thing is that there is still crosstalk/ghosting while watching 3d, kinda disappointed with that. Also black levels seem to rise in 3d, the widescreen bars get fairly lighter.
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ST50 is without a doubt best bang for the buck of 2012. According to the first vt50 review the black levels on the vt50 are just ever so slightly better than the st50's. Guess we'll have to see if the extra gradiation steps makes a big difference or not.

D-Nice had said earlier in this thread I believe that the extra steps likely wouldnt translate into anything tangible (though dont quote me on that... I may be mistaken)
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I have the 50st50 and while there may be some slight buzzing, I haven't noticed anything near annoying levels. I had a samsung d6500 from last year and that set was horrible even after trying three different sets ( a lot of FBr problems on that one). Also the st50 doesn't seem to get as hot as previous years pdp and i have not had any IR yet and I play a lot of games. A lot... One negative thing is that there is still crosstalk/ghosting while watching 3d, kinda disappointed with that. Also black levels seem to rise in 3d, the widescreen bars get fairly lighter.

Are you happy with if ? How's the picture in terms of brightness ?
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Huh? That's not what I'm seeing...

Amazon CDN pricing (assumed to be MSRP) vs US MSRP

ST50:
50" 1,499.99 -> 1,399.99
55" 1,999.99 -> 1,699.99
60" 2,499.99 -> 2,099.99
65" 3,199.99 -> 2,999.99

GT50:
50": 1,999.99 -> 1,799.99
55": 2,499.99 -> 2,099.99
60": 2,999.99 -> 2,599.99
65": 3,699.99 -> 3,499.99

VT50 (found CDN prices elsewhere, not confirmed to be MSRP either):
55: 2,999.99 -> 2,499.99
65: 4,499.99 -> 3,999.99

We're especially getting screwed on the VT series. Kind of mad that the TV I'm buying has one of the bigger discrepancies (60ST50).
With that said, again, it's not just Panasonic, unfortunately.

The USA MSRPs you're using for the 65" GT50 and VT50 are too high - they were adjusted lower about a month ago by Panasonic.

The USA TC-P65VT50 is currently $3,699 (after being adjusted downward from the original $3,999).

The USA TC-P65GT50 MSRP is currently $3,299 (after being adjusted downward from the original $3,499).

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Sorry for asking about this again, but can anyone speak about the motion smoothing on this set? I am curious to know if

-this setting has more than on/off control

-it can be used on all sources (not just BD 24p)

-the effect creates artifacts like typically seen on lcd's

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Sorry for asking about this again, but can anyone speak about the motion smoothing on this set? I am curious to know if

-this setting has more than on/off control

-it can be used on all sources (not just BD 24p)

-the effect creates artifacts like typically seen on lcd's

Go plasma!

It has 3 settings (low, mid, high) for motion. Personally, I can't stand the look of any motion smoothing, so I only briefly used it to test it out, but I didn't notice any artifacts at the time.
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Thanks, Beeron. That's good to hear. I previously owned a G20 and it had a setting called Blur Reduction. I have a pretty discerning eye and honestly could not tell the difference when it was engaged.

My quest for judder free motion (without getting too artificial) led me to some LED options, but there are just too many problems with that tech. I do have a bright room and LED sets pop nicely in that environment, but things like lag, blurring, and screen uniformity are more distracting than a display not being bright enough for daytime viewing.

From everything I have read so far, the ST50 might just be the solution.
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I've seen it asked several times, but it has been, so far, lost in other arguments. Has anyone tried hooking a HDD (USB thumbdrive, etc.) to the ST50? What is the media player like and what kind of formats does it support?

I want to know, because being forced to have my xbox or ps3 hooked up to my tv just to play a movie is annoying.
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ST50 is without a doubt best bang for the buck of 2012. According to the first vt50 review the black levels on the vt50 are just ever so slightly better than the st50's. Guess we'll have to see if the extra gradiation steps makes a big difference or not.

Unless LG can pull off a miracle, the ST50 looks like an incredible value upgrade this year over anyone else's offerings. Samsung's lineup has failed to impress me this year.

It handily beats my LG PZ950, and is the same price the PZ was when new. I can't wait until some retailer runs some kind of sale on it. My PZ won't be gone quick enough... unless the VT50 reviews start saying "Kuro killer", which I dont think will happen.
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I posted this in another forum but thought I would try here to get your viewpoint as well... Got my 60" ST50 delivered today. Set up the tv, started the slides on D-Nice's setting but forgot to change the picture mode to Custom. Do you guys think 2.5 hours in the picture mode that comes out the box will effect anything? Also, has anyone heard feedback on if it is ok to start watching 3D content immediately after the 100 hour panel prep by D-Nice?

Thanks!

Can some link to D-Nice's settings and instructions for the ST50? I've searched but cant find them. Thanks!
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Can some link to D-Nice's settings and instructions for the ST50? I've searched but cant find them. Thanks!

Yup, here you go!

http://www.**************.com/showth...-Issues-Thread

And a huge thank you to D-Nice!
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Can some link to D-Nice's settings and instructions for the ST50? I've searched but cant find them. Thanks!

They're not posted on AVS - they're posted on HDJ but links to that forum are blocked here.

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Are you happy with if ? How's the picture in terms of brightness ?
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Here is what he had to say earlier: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21826694

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My 55ST50 was delivered over lunch today. Initial report:

-Hums slightly louder than my S1, but like others have said, you need to be right up on the TV to hear it.

-When the TV is off, there is slightly more of a green tint to the screen than my S1. Nothing that would ever annoy me but I remember someone asking about it.

-I didn't see any green/pink blobs or splotches, or any banding, when the slides were cycling through, but I didn't look extremely closely since I was in a hurry to get back to work.
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I'm new to Plasma and consider myself a complete amateur who strives for a good quality picture. I will be getting the 55ST50 on my way home from work and it will be calibrated in the near future. However, I would like to start breaking in my set ASAP with the hopes of enjoying it completely over the weekend. I would really appreciate it if someone could point me in the direction of the break in slides that all use. Also, a bit of direction on what to do would be great. I apologize in advance for being such an amateur and appreciate any help anyone is willing to offer. Thanks.
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Alot of people seem to have this TV but not alot of people have talked about how good it is. How good is the PQ? Blacks? 3D? Screen brightness?

I have read the reviews but I would rather hear from the owners.

I have a Sony 55HX923, Would the ST50 be an improvement?

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The USA MSRPs you're using for the 65" GT50 and VT50 are too high - they were adjusted lower about a month ago by Panasonic.

The USA TC-P65VT50 is currently $3,699 (after being adjusted downward from the original $3,999).

The USA TC-P65GT50 MSRP is currently $3,299 (after being adjusted downward from the original $3,499).

Thanks. Corrected.
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I'm new to Plasma and consider myself a complete amateur who strives for a good quality picture. I will be getting the 55ST50 on my way home from work and it will be calibrated in the near future. However, I would like to start breaking in my set ASAP with the hopes of enjoying it completely over the weekend. I would really appreciate it if someone could point me in the direction of the break in slides that all use. Also, a bit of direction on what to do would be great. I apologize in advance for being such an amateur and appreciate any help anyone is willing to offer. Thanks.

You may not need to break your set in with slides. It's your personal preference, but staying away from letterboxed or pillared content is all you really need to do for the first 100 or so hours. All the info you need to do a intensified break in can be found with the search function. Whatever you decide, enjoy your new TV!
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