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I hate reviews like that b/c I've never seen a single plasma that BLOWS everything else away(Kuro withstanding), sure it can be better but the BLOWS EVERYTHING ELSE AWAY part is always what leads me to disappointment when I finally get my hands on it. I'm like yea this is nice but its pretty similar to last year PQ wise.

Well he did say it blows away any TV that he has ever seen. Maybe he's only seen older TVs or newer crappy TVs, and hasn't actually seen a newer/better TV or a Kuro in a proper environment

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I have a 4+ year old Sony 60" a3000 rear projection tv and am about to bite on a Viera.

I've been reading up a lot on a 65st30 for ~$1750, but wondering if I should go with a 60/65 ST50 if I can find one from $1999 or less. Any thoughts, recommendations?

Will the PQ be that much better than my a3000 ? I live 60-90 minutes from the closest shopping centers so I haven't been able to see any in person yet.
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Yes in your case it'll be a good jump up in PQ, youll be very pleased.
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I have a 4+ year old Sony 60" a3000 rear projection tv and am about to bite on a Viera.

I've been reading up a lot on a 65st30 for ~$1750, but wondering if I should go with a 60/65 ST50 if I can find one from $1999 or less. Any thoughts, recommendations?

Will the PQ be that much better than my a3000 ? I live 60-90 minutes from the closest shopping centers so I haven't been able to see any in person yet.

I upgraded from a 60" A3000 to a 65" ST30 and there is no comparison at all. Two different worlds in terms of PQ.

The 65ST50 should be incrementally better, but there is no way it will hit 2K or below until the fall.

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Not true if you order on AMAZON you have to put it in your cart to see the price
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIER...1138133&sr=1-1

Its on sale for $1,749.99 NEW.
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He meant the the st50 I believe, not the st30
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I think he meant the ST30 b/c he even claimed reading the price tag of ~$1750 which is what I got on Amazon.

"I've been reading up a lot on a 65st30 for ~$1750"
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The 60ST50 is available for pre-order on Panasonic's website for $2099. I've seen the 50/55 $150-$200 cheaper on buy.com so a 60st50 for $1999 or less isn't unfeasible.

The question is which is better 65st30 for $1750 or 60st50 for $1899 - 1999?
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Realistically a 1 year jump in TV tech isn't going to be groundbreaking by any means, you could probly even put them side by side in a typical family room setting and hardly tell a difference.
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Realistically a 1 year jump in TV tech isn't going to be groundbreaking by any means, you could probly even put them side by side in a typical family room setting and hardly tell a difference.

I'm most curious about the glare reduction on st50 vs st30. We have blinds instead of drapes in the living room so some light will escape in, but shouldn't be direct on the tv.
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Has anyone see the ST50 in person? Does the screen have a greenish tint when the TV is off like the previous Panasonic plasmas?
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I think this is st50 at sears.. not sure.

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Realistically a 1 year jump in TV tech isn't going to be groundbreaking by any means, you could probly even put them side by side in a typical family room setting and hardly tell a difference.

That's often true, but this year, for the 2012 models, the panel technology was supposedly redesigned and upgraded, moreso than the average incremental changes from year to year. Resulting in better brightness, better video processing, etc. But remains to be determined.
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I think this is st50 at sears.. not sure.

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That appears to be the UT50 model, as you will notice the glare on the screen. But, if you have a light controlled environment, it does appear to be a very nice TV. Other than the filter, I want to compare the pic quality of the UT50 and the ST50.
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That appears to be the UT50 model, as you will notice the glare on the screen. But, if you have a light controlled environment, it does appear to be a very nice TV. Other than the filter, I want to compare the pic quality of the UT50 and the ST50.

Me too. I actually prefer the bezel design of the UT50 much more than the ST50 (when it comes to TVs, I just prefer simple black bezels and stands). I know there was a lot of talk on the forums last year about the ST30 being far superior to the S30, but most of the pro reviews I read said the differences were minimal (and Home Theater Mag even went so far as the 2D performances being virtually equal). If the only differences between the two are the filter (which I don't need at all, my room is small with one window that will be behind the TV) and graydation steps or whatever it is, I think the UT50 will be one sweet deal.
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Panasonic says this every year.

Don't buy the hype.

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That's often true, but this year, for the 2012 models, the panel technology was supposedly redesigned and upgraded, moreso than the average incremental changes from year to year. Resulting in better brightness, better video processing, etc. But remains to be determined.


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Ok i have a Sony KDL55NX720.. the monolithic design with gorilla glass..here is my question to you?

The TV has horrible 3d, have to turn the tv in the room to get proper viewing angle and think its just an over rated piece of !@#$. I get glare from the glass just like plasmas..

plus Sony customer suport sucks!! how is Panasonic these days?

Tell me why i should return it and get a ST50..seems like it has all the specs of the sony..such as connectivity, apps..DLNA. I have an older 720p Panny and it did me justice for the past 5 years...

give me pros and cons? thanks i only have 7 days to return the Sony if I choose. I did pay a total of 1200 for the Sony so that was one good thing..guess its the best price anyone has gotten according to the the NX720 forum.

or should I keep it???
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Panasonic says this every year.

Don't buy the hype.

I thought D-nice confirmed 20% brighter, improved color and lower mll. Sounds improved to me!

Indecision may or may not be my problem.
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I think this is st50 at sears.. not sure.

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That appears to be the UT50 model, as you will notice the glare on the screen. But, if you have a light controlled environment, it does appear to be a very nice TV. Other than the filter, I want to compare the pic quality of the UT50 and the ST50.

Yes,that is the UT50. We (Sears) are not getting the ST50 in stores this year, online only. You can also tell by the lack of the louvre filter. The screen is slightly washed out especially when the tv fades to black screen, blacks are greyish due to heavy lighting. Else it is a really nice entry level tv.

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From pictures and the review, the new ST50 looks really nice. I hate this time of year...the time of year when I start to really hate my 50G20. I only have about 1200 hours on it too...must...resist!

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Yes,that is the UT50. We (Sears) are not getting the ST50 in stores this year, online only. You can also tell by the lack of the louvre filter. The screen is slightly washed out especially when the tv fades to black screen, blacks are greyish due to heavy lighting. Else it is a really nice entry level tv.

Wow. Not carrying the ST50 in the store is bad for Sears, bad for Panasonic, and bad for Customers. The ST series with it's excellent AR Filter displays much better in a bright store environment than the reflective filterless U or UT series, especially considering that the ST50's new AR Filter is said to be even better than last year's ST30 filter in a bright environment.

The ST series was the best bang for the buck TV in 2011. Is Sears now moving away from quality products and focusing on entry level products like KMart? Dumb move by whomever made that decision.

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Oh i know and agree heavily. I bring it up about every time i work on the company forum that we need to have at least one ST50 in store to show customers the differences and benefits. Aside from the better brightness and filter, the ST50 is a better value w/ built-in wifi and additional inputs. Many customers want wifi nowadays and considering we do not sell Panasonics stick in store, they typically walk from the product. We do have a belkin usiversal wifi adapter for tvs but most people prefer first party over third party.

I think they're looking at the fact that the really cheap 720p and entry 1080p plasmas were the ones that sold best, along with the D550 samsung for a 3D plasma. The ST30 nation wide did not sell so hot, although in both stores i worked at we sold them like crazy. We are currently left with huge overstock of 55 st30's nationally (i received 17 of them in early jan, got down to 4, and then received 4 more on shipment). They're probably using the st30 sales figures to predict st50s sales and figure the unit will not be worth it to carry. Better off having something similar to the D550, which is why we have the UT50. Im carrying half the number of plasmas as i did last year, which is a real bummer.

The above is only a guess as to why we are doing what we did, but that's the type of response i got when we dropped 1080p 42" plasmas last year because the 42" S2 was not a hot seller. We'll still be carrying higher end LEDs, aside from stuff offered in MHT (though very few select stores will get real high end stuff like the 84" LG LED).

EDIT: Looks like i was correct with my assumption above. Here's what AVJunkie said at HDJ, "sears doesn't carry st50 in store. Cause they couldn't even sell st30 well as a whole. Most likely ut50 as its the only pdp they were sent.. Again why he said 55 st series for $1000 .. Seems he maybe a little confused "

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Wow. Not carrying the ST50 in the store is bad for Sears, bad for Panasonic, and bad for Customers. The ST series with it's excellent AR Filter displays much better in a bright store environment than the reflective filterless U or UT series, especially considering that the ST50's new AR Filter is said to be even better than last year's ST30 filter in a bright environment.

The ST series was the best bang for the buck TV in 2011. Is Sears now moving away from quality products and focusing on entry level products like KMart? Dumb move by whomever made that decision.

Just the latest in what seems to be an endless string of dumb decisions by a once great retailer and an iconic symbol in America. Sad.
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Wow, no ST50 for sears? Will you guys still carry the GT50? Or is the UT as high as Sears is going this year? If so, that's a bummer...I put up a UT in my store and still prefer the ST30 we have on display...the UT just doesn't look good under bright store lights.

I'm assuming BB will get the UT and ST, maybe a variant of the GT, although at our store the GT31 didn't sell well at all because we have a Magnolia where the GT30 was always significantly cheaper.

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It seems like Panasonic have poor distribution relations just in general. Not really sure what the problem is--low sales, low margins, unwillingness to work with retailers on excess stock? It sounds like Best Buy only barely relented to stocking the ST50 this year--GT/VT are obviously a no-go. Club stores are capping out at an ST variant. Sears is stopping at the UT. I expect regionals like HHGregg will see similar model range trimming. It just keeps getting worse and worse YoY. I wouldn't be surprised to see these stores drop them entirely in the next year or two, or perhaps limit to the lowest of the low range (e.g. X, C, U).
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Well concerning BB, there are plenty of stores that have a Magnolia inside...these stores will undoubtedly stock Panasonic's entire range - UT/ST from the BB inventory and GT/VT from Magnolia - the same way it was in 2011. 2010 was the last year that "core" BB home theater got a model from every line, although we only carried a 50" VT and no GT25.

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Has anyone see the ST50 in person? Does the screen have a greenish tint when the TV is off like the previous Panasonic plasmas?

Mine just arrived a about half an hour ago... if there is a greenish tint it is very slight, and only visible to me if I have light shining directly into the screen... but your mileage may vary.

Have not really done much with it yet, still needs to have dust/particles cleaned off the screen, and then I am letting it sit until D-Nice has time to provide some guidance as what (if any procedures) will be used for these sets.
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Well concerning BB, there are plenty of stores that have a Magnolia inside...these stores will undoubtedly stock Panasonic's entire range - UT/ST from the BB inventory and GT/VT from Magnolia - the same way it was in 2011. 2010 was the last year that "core" BB home theater got a model from every line, although we only carried a 50" VT and no GT25.

Problem is there are still plenty of states without a single MHT BB--11 to be exact based on their website. This of course ignores regions that, while technically in serviced states, are hours away from MHT branded location(s). Point was their B&M distribution is poor in general and has been getting worse every year--it's not just limited to Sears.
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The website specs say the HDMI inputs are on the side. What exactly do they mean by side? Surely the cable connections wouldn't be visible from the viewing position, right?
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The website specs say the HDMI inputs are on the side. What exactly do they mean by side? Surely the cable connections wouldn't be visible from the viewing position, right?

They won't. Usually they're on the left 3rd of the set (facing front of panel). Probably 12" or so from the inputs to the edge of the bezel. Very rough estimate but you won't be able to see it. The inputs are still on the back, positioned facing sideways instead of straight back so cables lay flat instead of sticking straight out from the back. Makes it better for wall mounting.

This is all just theory as I've never seen the ST50 input panel, but I've seen all kinds of other models with "Inputs on the Side" and they are like this.

Here's a pic of the VT30 inputs. The edge of the panel extends several inches out of the right of the pic before the edge.
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