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post #1 of 47 Old 03-16-2012, 04:33 PM - Thread Starter
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I saw a calibrated ST30 today - all I can is wow ...

It was next to a 59D7000 and a 51D8000 it it looked far better , it was HD basketball - the screen looked amazing.

I'm not sure I've seen a better 25 mins of picture at that the under $2K price level.

The guy really new his stuff, he was a certified ISF tech , installer, has his own business as well.

He said he the 55 St30 is the best TV deal he's seen under 2K in some 5 years.

He wasn't trying to sell me the TV either.

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the ST50 does seem like a fantastic TV in terms of price/performance...I wasn't expecting much from Panasonic this year but it looks like they may have slipped under the radar

EDIT: I meant ST50 and not ST30
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But the ST50 is being reported as a significant improvement, so it must really be a great display.
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Wait... I'm confused...are we talking about the ST30 or ST50?
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Wait... I'm confused...are we talking about the ST30 or ST50?

You arent the only one Tech! I would assume the ST50 but maybe ole Ric took too many shots to the head in his WWF days and he really is talking about the ST30 LOL
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Some folks here talking about ''big improvements'' and ''a huge step up'' .

Really, 2012 panasonic Plasma's will be slightly better than 2011 panasonic Plasma's. They won't beat king Kuro and that is quite a disappointment.
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Some folks here talking about ''big improvements'' and ''a huge step up'' .

Really, 2012 panasonic Plasma's will be slightly better than 2011 panasonic Plasma's. They won't beat king Kuro and that is quite a disappointment.

Totally agree, I bought the hype for the last 3 years owning an S1, S2, and now a ST30. I was hoping to see a substantial upgrade but the PQ difference between the 3 is minimal. It plays out this way every year, new this, new that, better, this, better that, but in the end it's spilting hairs to try and see a great improvement, lol.
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I'm talking st30

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Totally agree, I bought the hype for the last 3 years owning an S1, S2, and now a ST30. I was hoping to see a substantial upgrade but the PQ difference between the 3 is minimal. It plays out this way every year, new this, new that, better, this, better that, but in the end it's spilting hairs to try and see a great improvement, lol.


It's called marketing hype.


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The jump from the S2 to the ST30 was noticeable, since the S2 had a crap filter, floating blacks like crazy, and the worst gamma I've ever seen on a consumer display of 1.9

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I saw a calibrated ST30 today - all I can is wow ...

It was next to a 59D7000 and a 51D8000 it it looked far better , it was HD basketball - the screen looked amazing.

I'm not sure I've seen a better 25 mins of picture at that the under $2K price level.

The guy really new his stuff, he was a certified ISF tech , installer, has his own business as well.

He said he the 55 St30 is the best TV deal he's seen under 2K in some 5 years.

He wasn't trying to sell me the TV either.

I had a ST30 and took it back for the 59D7000 as the Samsung was better and cheaper...
you must have seen a extra treatment calibrated one and that is cheating on the part of the dealer as most, myself included aren't going to waste the $$$ on expensive calibration.
Dollar for dollar, Samsung wins, hands down.
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I had a ST30 and took it back for the 59D7000 as the Samsung was better and cheaper...
you must have seen a extra treatment calibrated one and that is cheating on the part of the dealer as most, myself included aren't going to waste the $$$ on expensive calibration.
Dollar for dollar, Samsung wins, hands down.

....unless we throw in the poor reliability and customer service from Samsung


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....unless we throw in the poor reliability and customer service from Samsung

j/king

Where are you getting these "facts" from? Or are you just speculaing because its what you read about someones moms sons samsung tv failing.
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Where are you getting these "facts" from? Or are you just speculaing because its what you read about someones moms sons samsung tv failing.

UMMM The numerous threads on here detailing the problems with Samsung. Peeling AR coating, screens cracking, brightness pops ETC.
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UMMM The numerous threads on here detailing the problems with Samsung. Peeling AR coating, screens cracking, brightness pops ETC.

So the .0000001% of the population on avsforums having problems must make samsung products qualify as junk then. Hmm. All of those problems you have mentioned have been fixed also and dont apply to anything other than the 2011 models really. My 2010 samsung plasma had 1 dead pixel and within 5 minutes of talking to a rep, they scheduled an appointment for a samsung tech to come out and replace my panel with a brand new one at my house. No questions asked. I was so pleased i sent a thank you letter to them and got a response within 2 days. Samsung customer service has been great for me and many others. A few bad experiences from people on this forum arent going to deter me.
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I have four Samsung TV's in the house, 26,32, 50, & 60" in the house and other Samsung products such as two notebooks, two phones etc and all are great with no problems whatsoever~
Samsung ROCKS!!!
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The jump from the S2 to the ST30 was noticeable, since the S2 had a crap filter, floating blacks like crazy, and the worst gamma I've ever seen on a consumer display of 1.9

I assume you owned both these TV's? The S2 review I read showed 2.09 which is decent. It's amazing how forum members either love or hate a particular set. Then again, I have a C2 and I think it looks great. I guess I'm just not that anal, but shhh.. don't tell anyone!


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Some folks here talking about ''big improvements'' and ''a huge step up'' .

Really, 2012 panasonic Plasma's will be slightly better than 2011 panasonic Plasma's. They won't beat king Kuro and that is quite a disappointment.

If Panasonic bought Pioneers technology then why aren't the Panny's as good as the Kuro's? What's missing?

Sorry, I don't keep up with all these things. I do love my Panasonic 50GT though.
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If Panasonic bought Pioneers technology then why aren't the Panny's as good as the Kuro's? What's missing?

Sorry, I don't keep up with all these things. I do love my Panasonic 50GT though.

D-Nice explained this in one of the 2011 Shootout videos. To sum it up, the "excuse" for Panasonic is that it takes a long time for these patents to be exploited and applied to full production for a consumer-level display. There were apparently prototypes, but either the cost of ramping-up production, or the lack of a proper market, is the reason why we haven't seen Kuro-level tech (yet?).

Honestly, with the way the market is headed (cheaper, cheaper, cheaper), I don't see this ever happening. OLED is coming down the pipe too quickly for there to be any reason for a super-quality, super-expensive plasma display. Sure, we'd all buy it in this forum, but the sales would be a drop in the bucket compared to what's out there now.

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For Gaming and Quality , the samsung can't touch the Panasonic i had a pn51d800 that suddenly cracked i never got it replaced , bought a small 42" st30 for my bedroom the best option for gaming extremely low input lag and picture quality is great it looks even better than my vt30 on my eyes .
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I saw a calibrated ST30 today - all I can is wow ...

It was next to a 59D7000 and a 51D8000 it it looked far better , it was HD basketball - the screen looked amazing.

I'm not sure I've seen a better 25 mins of picture at that the under $2K price level.

The guy really new his stuff, he was a certified ISF tech , installer, has his own business as well.

He said he the 55 St30 is the best TV deal he's seen under 2K in some 5 years.

He wasn't trying to sell me the TV either.

You can get a 65ST30 for less than 2k now.
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For Gaming and Quality , the samsung can't touch the Panasonic i had a pn51d800 that suddenly cracked i never got it replaced , bought a small 42" st30 for my bedroom the best option for gaming extremely low input lag and picture quality is great it looks even better than my vt30 on my eyes .

That's just YOUR opinion.
I've had both and the Samsung was better.
I took the Panasonic back for the Samsung.
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Where are you getting these "facts" from? Or are you just speculaing because its what you read about someones moms sons samsung tv failing.


Uh... Facts. I clearly stated I was joking

.....but with someone(that would be you) seemingly so offended maybe they are truly expereiencing problems with their Sammy
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That's just YOUR opinion.
I've had both and the Samsung was better.
I took the Panasonic back for the Samsung.

I think it's pretty obvious it's his opinion. There's no reason to continue to push your preference while dismissing his as just an opinion.
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D-Nice explained this in one of the 2011 Shootout videos. To sum it up, the "excuse" for Panasonic is that it takes a long time for these patents to be exploited and applied to full production for a consumer-level display. There were apparently prototypes, but either the cost of ramping-up production, or the lack of a proper market, is the reason why we haven't seen Kuro-level tech (yet?).

Honestly, with the way the market is headed (cheaper, cheaper, cheaper), I don't see this ever happening. OLED is coming down the pipe too quickly for there to be any reason for a super-quality, super-expensive plasma display. Sure, we'd all buy it in this forum, but the sales would be a drop in the bucket compared to what's out there now.

They are probably watching how the Sharp Elites sell very closely. Although as you say, with OLED, it might be too little too late if Panasonic decides to come out with it.

As consumers it is good to have options. Right now I only have a 32" Panasonic LCD which I am happy with. If I were buying right now I would be looking at the Panasonic ST50, Samsung E6500, and the Panasonic DT50 LCD.
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I have four Samsung TV's in the house, 26,32, 50, & 60" in the house and other Samsung products such as two notebooks, two phones etc and all are great with no problems whatsoever~
Samsung ROCKS!!!

I've had 6 Panasonic TVs (i still have all three Plasmas), a Panasonic DVD recorder, DVD Player, three VCRs, a clock radio, AV receiver, microwave oven, electric shaver, three phones, two answering machines, and even a Panasonic nose hair trimmer etc and all are great with no problems whatsoever~Panasonic ROCKS!!!

I've bought two Samsung TVs, two Samsung PC monitors, one Samsung printer, and one Samsung cell phone and all of them failed within the first year (a few within the first few weeks). I could say Samsung SUCKS!!!

But that's not to say that probably 95% of all Samsung owners have no problems whatsoever and their TVs and other stuff are working fine.

Why did you return your Panny for a Sammy? Was it because you didn't like the build quality? Or you didn't like the picture quality? Did the Panasonic fail?

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My Samsung Plasma was recently repaired. It had a defective panel and numerous dead pixels. 3 months of "working" with Samsung and they finally replaced the panel.

It wasn't a matter of them not being helpful, or not being willing to work on my TV. But rather them being unorganized and impatient. They scheduled me with 2 different service centers, both of which couldn't work on my TV for different reasons. Each time I tried to tell this to Samsung, they simply rescheduled me with the other service center. 6 service tickets later, they finally scheduled me with another service center.
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This thread just goes to show that the right eyes on the right display calibrated to the right values in the right environment showing the right content... {breathes}... makes all the difference in the world!

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That's just YOUR opinion.
I've had both and the Samsung was better.
I took the Panasonic back for the Samsung.

Except HIS opinion is basically reinforced by almost every independent review.

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All I know is that Panasonic is PROVEN to have lower failure rates as far as plasmas. I am using a Samsung 24" monitor right now and I love it (even though it had to replaced less than a year of light use). Personally, both samsung and panasonic tvs looked good but Panasonic looked better and from the research I have read regarding issues and lawsuits, I wouldn't touch a sammy tv.
Then again, you know what they say, opinions are like butthol... nevermind
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