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post #271 of 4310 Old 03-28-2012, 06:59 PM - Thread Starter
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Oh Sorry, I will just butt out then, I thought you guys were a little more helpful than that , Silly me,

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I posted in the wrong thread, not you. I wasn't answering you, I just deleted my post and put that there, it had nothing to do with your post. sorry.


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MSRP for 65VT50 is $3699. Street would be lower

can you share where you found the 65vt50 for this price ?

hdguru had it at $3999.00 thats where I got my info.

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can you share where you found the 65vt50 for this price ?

hdguru had it at $3999.00 thats where I got my info.


The $3999.00 figure was speculation based on the VT30 launch. The actual 2012 prices were announced to be several hundred dollars cheaper. Panasonic also won't be instituting a UPP policy this year (as far as I'm aware). They will be very hard to beat on the price/performance metric.

I thought we weren't allowed to talk about Panasonic in your thread

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good catch. sorry for being an azz. I am so up in the air right now.


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I should also mention that I got to play with both the camera and the touch pad remote. Both were disappointing and are relatively worthless. The touchpad especially was frustrating. Very much like the low-end, plasticky, low-level of quality track pads that you find on low-end Dell laptops.

The E7000 might be the better buy for this year. I can't see myself using either of those E8000 features.

Are those features the only difference between then e7000 and e8000?
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I just had my PN51E8000 delivered 20 minutes ago and it's killing me that I won't be able to see it until I get off of work! I am upgrading from a 2009 PN50B650 Samsung Plasma.

The next 30 days will be my testing period. I will be making sure the tv is running properly (no problems), reading about comparisons (to the E7000 and the VT50), weighing the pros and cons, etc.

I believe the difference between the E7000 and the E8000 are the Smart Features (camera, voice control and touch remote). Aside from that, I read that the E8000 has an extra layer (?) on the screen. I believe it was called a "clear" filter..or something along those lines. It hasn't been determined if there were any differences between the two picture quality wise.

I went with the E8000 instead of the E7000 because for $300 more, it's readily available, and for the possibility that it COULD have a better picture (also to be determined). The Smart Features are a bonus (not sure if i'll use them as of right now, but it’s nice to have the option).

I read the VT50 will become available in late March- April. I would love to see a comparison between the VT50 and the E8000 to see the differences while I am within my 30 day return/exchange window.

I digress. I am beyond STOKED to see the tv and run some content on it. I will post impressions when I can!
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The $3999.00 figure was speculation based on the VT30 launch. The actual 2012 prices were announced to be several hundred dollars cheaper. Panasonic also won't be instituting a UPP policy this year (as far as I'm aware). They will be very hard to beat on the price/performance metric.

I thought we weren't allowed to talk about Panasonic in your thread

Panasonic is doing something like UPP by not distributing high end models to places selling at ultra low prices.

The VT50 series will be available at far fewer places online, mostly not at those places that lowballed prices in the past.

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Does the PNXXE8000 series support the 3D checkerboard format? E.g. by connecting a PC to the TV.
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I keep coming across different information on remote controller integration with the supplied touch remote. Some posts say it is only used for Samsung devices which seems silly for STB use. So here goes:

Can the touch remote be setup to control a cable box like Fios? I noticed at BB when viewing a PN64e800 that there was a universal remote option on the bottom menu. When selected the set tried to access the internet, but it wasn't setup yet. No info on the Samsung site so at a loss.
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Has anyone looked for FBR (Brightness pops) on the 2012's?? Sorry if this has been talked about but I just dug through this whole thread and couldn't find it. I'm super curious if I should keep my 59D8000. I got a screaming deal on it about 15 days ago but the FBR is killing me. I'm waiting on 1024.8 from Sammy.

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I really need your guys opinion. I have the UN55D8000 right now but the viewing conditions in my living room bring every defect out on this set; the flashlighting in all 4 corners, the horizontal banding when camera pans up/down. Now, I could live with this because I realize nothing is "perfect". But when laying out $2-3,000 I'd really like to not have these types of imperfections. Do Plasmas suffer from any of this?

My living room is dark...Even with a lamp it's not much brighter and I have no direct sunlight. Everyone I speak to tells me to get a Plasma. My friend told me he can get me the 60E8000 in 3-4 weeks. I'm kind of on the fence because I've never owned a Plasma and always heard about the negatives, burn-in etc. but I'm aware that was years ago. I know majority of people don't like AMP but I do and was wondering if Plasmas have something similar? And also, is the 3D any better than the set I currently have?
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You have the perfect viewing conditions for a plasma, and the 3D will be the same and probably better than your set because of the higher refresh rate. You don't have to worry about burn-ins anymore unless you're going to leave your TV on a static image and leave it on for half the day. I'm not sure what you mean by AMP, so someone else will have to answer that. So, if you have the money and want a new TV, yes get a plasma.
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Has anyone looked for FBR (Brightness pops) on the 2012's?? Sorry if this has been talked about but I just dug through this whole thread and couldn't find it. I'm super curious if I should keep my 59D8000. I got a screaming deal on it about 15 days ago but the FBR is killing me. I'm waiting on 1024.8 from Sammy.

Thanks!

No Fbr problems on my E8000. I owned a D8000, so I know what to look for. If you decide to keep the D, check out the thread below - zoyd and LarryInRI, along with a few others, did a masterful job solving the Fbr issue on the Ds.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1389562
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No Fbr problems on my E8000. I owned a D8000, so I know what to look for. If you decide to keep the D, check out the thread below - zoyd and LarryInRI, along with a few others, did a masterful job solving the Fbr issue on the Ds.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1389562

I completely agree. The fbr issue on my e6500 is completely unnoticeable. Coming from a d8000 myself, i think the fix last year resolved it for the most part, but not to this degree. That with the CS fix were some much needed improvements. Nice job in that regard

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I really need your guys opinion. I have the UN55D8000 right now but the viewing conditions in my living room bring every defect out on this set; the flashlighting in all 4 corners, the horizontal banding when camera pans up/down. Now, I could live with this because I realize nothing is "perfect". But when laying out $2-3,000 I'd really like to not have these types of imperfections. Do Plasmas suffer from any of this?

My living room is dark...Even with a lamp it's not much brighter and I have no direct sunlight. Everyone I speak to tells me to get a Plasma. My friend told me he can get me the 60E8000 in 3-4 weeks. I'm kind of on the fence because I've never owned a Plasma and always heard about the negatives, burn-in etc. but I'm aware that was years ago. I know majority of people don't like AMP but I do and was wondering if Plasmas have something similar? And also, is the 3D any better than the set I currently have?

Your room sounds perfect for a plasma.

I have a UN60D8000 and am very unhappy with the screen uniformity and overall black level performance oddly enough the first UN60D8000 I had had great uniformity but developed problems and had to be returned the second set has been less than ideal. So I can certainly understand trading in a UN55D8000 for one of these.

I am through with LCD display tech until something better comes along at a good size and reasonable price its plasma for me from now on (come on OLED!).

I just ordered a PN64E8000 from Best Buy got a $100 off their sale price so it was a decent deal. Hopefully it will be a good set I'll know Tuesday I cant wait for deep blacks and a uniform screen .
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How is everyone getting the $100.00 off on this tv from best buy ? I called paulstv and abt, and both said as of April !st the price on these may go back up, and the new price will be $3899.00, so if your getting one NOW is the time.

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What is the difference between the E6500 and the E7000, besides no LOL dual core processor for the Smart TV apps?
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I know majority of people don't like AMP but I do and was wondering if Plasmas have something similar? And also, is the 3D any better than the set I currently have?

I would take a long hard look at plasmas if I were you. Plasmas excel at movies and sports, especially in dimly lit environments. Perfect motion, perfect uniformity with true pixel to pixel micro-dimming and perfect viewing angles. You will never find that on any LCD. There is a lot to like about plasmas.

I am not 100% sure but I believe I saw what appeared to be AMP on a samsung plasma? I do know however to answer your last question, that plasmas offer a better 3d experience over LCD. Faster refresh and less crosstalk. Buying a TV truly is a game of trade-offs. In the mean time I would strongly suggest you look into some bias lighting to help alleviate some of the problems of your LCD.
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What is the difference between the E6500 and the E7000, besides no LOL dual core processor for the Smart TV apps?

From what we can tell without any technical comparisons, the E7000 is slightly thinner than the E6500, it also has better speakers and an expandable tech slot.
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Just wanted to provide a quick update. Spent a bit of time with the tv (not as much as I'd like to) and I have noticed a boost in picture quality from my B650 (obviously!). The design is great, tv is thin, there are two remotes (one touch, and one conventional).

I need to spend some more time with the TV and check out all the bells and whistles, watch movies, games, adjust picture settings, etc.

With the time I spent today, I didn't detect buzzing. My B650 was pretty quiet aside from slight operational buzz. It did buzz from time to time but did not bother me and wasn't too often. With that being said, operational buzzing is normal (Heck...my lamp has operational buzz...the brighter it is the more of a buzz noise it makes). With the E8000, at one point I thought I detected a bit of a "buzz" but it was so, so so minute, you would have to actually be trying to find the sound. It wasn't even as audible as my lamp. If ANYTHING...just operational buzz, but even that was difficult to detect.

I'm taking the same approach with my this TV as I did with my B650...I'm breaking it in with content. Don't mean to offend anyone, but I prefer to "break-in" the TV with movies, games etc, than run slides for 150 hours.

Speaking of games, I was playing Mass Effect 3 on my E8000. If you play Mass Effect or have played it, when you are on a mission, the health bar is pretty much there until a cut scene. Drum roll please..... NO BURN IN/IMAGE RETENTION... at least so far. I threw on Game Mode and viola...no IR to report.

*note* I must say...my B650 with game mode set to on, also made IR non existent. When I had game mode off, and was running netflix, I had a bit of IR that would subside quickly. There were times where I'd have Game Mode on while browsing netflix..and guess what? At least 95% no IR. I honestly believe using Game Mode while playing games will not only limit IR, but will make it a non-issue while gaming.

With that being said, I'm looking forward to spending some more time with the tv. I'm not a professional calibrator or anything of that nature, but I will do my best to help out fellow consumers inquiring about the tv.

p.s. SO FAR there haven't been any brightness fluctuations.
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I completely agree. The fbr issue on my e6500 is completely unnoticeable. Coming from a d8000 myself, i think the fix last year resolved it for the most part, but not to this degree. That with the CS fix were some much needed improvements. Nice job in that regard

Hi, I haven't been paying attention and only just noticed you had a D8000 before the E6500 !.

Can you please tell me if you think there was any difference in Motion Quality between the 2 sets and if the Real black Filter is as good with ambient light as the one on the D8000 ?

Thanks .
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Hi, I haven't been paying attention and only just noticed you had a D8000 before the E6500 !.

Can you please tell me if you think there was any difference in Motion Quality between the 2 sets and if the Real black Filter is as good with ambient light as the one on the D8000 ?

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No difference that i can tell

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No difference that i can tell

Ok cheers for that, It seems a little unclear still excatly what this 'Clear Image Panel' that the E8000 has actually does over the 6500 that does not have it .

I'm sure i have read that it provides 'blur free images and lessens what they call Double images ?.

Is there anything written in stone about it on your side of the Pond as we have very little info in the UK still .

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Ok cheers for that, It seems a little unclear still excatly what this 'Clear Image Panel' that the E8000 has actually does over the 6500 that does not have it .

I'm sure i have read that it provides 'blur free images and lessens what they call Double images ?.

Is there anything written in stone about it on your side of the Pond as we have very little info in the UK still .

Thanks.

Not much here either. Sounds like fluff to me

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Not much here either. Sounds like fluff to me

Is that not for the extreme angle viewing?

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From Samsung.


Amazing picture quality can't exist with blurring on your screen. That's why we developed Clear Image Panel for our new plasma TVs. It uses a film filter instead of conventional glass to eliminate layered images and produce ones that are ultra-clear and blur-free from almost every angle.

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What about burn-in? Is this still an issue. I watch a lot of network TV and I am afraid of a stain in the lower right hand corner.

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Hmmm...if you were to take cnets word, they say that the ST50 is very close-as good as the VT30 and E7000.

Now...per Samsungs description, the E8000's black levels were to improve by at least 10% along with the Real Black Filter Pro and Clear Panel Filter. If history is to repeat itself (PQ improvement with each year), then there will be picture quality improvement again. What that means is that on paper, the E8000 would beat the ST50 in picture quality. If the ST50 is as good as the 2011 plasmas, and the 2012 Samsung line is improving their plasmas in many ways, I'm not sure how that would be possible (like I said, at least on paper). Then again...just like beauty, PQ is in the eye of the beholder.

Not trying to discredit what you are saying Nekropolis, I'm just saying I would much rather wait for a professional review/comparison amongst the E7000, E8000, ST50, and VT50. The ST50 looks to be a great tv as well, and user reviews and the cnet review have been postivie... but I'll wait for an official word to see if the ST50 really does "wipe the floor" with the E8000. Fact of the matter is, whether you get the ST50, GT50, VT50, E6500, E7000 or E8000 Plasmas, you are going to be getting the best of the best in picture quality.

I don't follow your logic.

Let me be clear, I have no dog in this fight. I own both Panasonic and Samsung plasmas myself and am still considering each for my next one.

But your premise is that because CNet said that the ST50 was comparable to the VT30 and because, according to you, the D7000 was comparable to the VT30, that the E7000 should be better than the ST50 because Samsung claims it will be 10% better.

A few problems with that logic.

First, CNet did not say the D7000 was comparable to the VT30. In fact, they specifically said otherwise. They acknowledged the VT30 had a better picture than the D7000. They gave the D7000 their Editor's Choice though because it was a better overall value proposition than the VT30 or the D8000 because the picture was "close" (which doesn't exactly tell us much).

Second, Samsung's claims and percentage of improvement are meaningless. I'm not picking on Samsung, all manufacture claims are meaningless. Panasonic claims their 2012 panels will be 50% brighter, but that was always dubious and while the real world results are coming in brighter, they are, not surprisingly, less than 50% brighter. So you can't make a leap of faith based on Samsung's claim == you have to wait for real-world test results, preferably from a same calibrator using the same equipment for both Panasonic and Samsung.

Third, there are many aspects that affect perceived picture quality. So it's really hard to make conclusions on the basis of any one criteria, black level, color accuracy, etc. I strongly suspect when the dust settles that that the Panasonic will still handily when on black level, as usual, but that Samsung likely will retain its existing color accuracy crown.

All that said, it's highly doubtful that the difference between the two picture qualities is as dramatic as the first-time poster above claimed, certainly not if both were properly calibrated. All of these sets have fantastic pictures and it comes down to subjective personal preference for what you visually perceive or for the fanatics among us measurements by highly sensitive instruments that go far beyond what most of us would perceive.
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I don't follow your logic.

Let me be clear, I have no dog in this fight. I own both Panasonic and Samsung plasmas myself and am still considering each for my next one.

But your premise is that because CNet said that the ST50 was comparable to the VT30 and because, according to you, the D7000 was comparable to the VT30, that the E7000 should be better than the ST50 because Samsung claims it will be 10% better.

A few problems with that logic.

First, CNet did not say the D7000 was comparable to the VT30. In fact, they specifically said otherwise. They acknowledged the VT30 had a better picture than the D7000. They gave the D7000 their Editor's Choice though because it was a better overall value proposition than the VT30 or the D8000 because the picture was "close" (which doesn't exactly tell us much).

Second, Samsung's claims and percentage of improvement are meaningless. I'm not picking on Samsung, all manufacture claims are meaningless. Panasonic claims their 2012 panels will be 50% brighter, but that was always dubious and while the real world results are coming in brighter, they are, not surprisingly, less than 50% brighter. So you can't make a leap of faith based on Samsung's claim == you have to wait for real-world test results, preferably from a same calibrator using the same equipment for both Panasonic and Samsung.

Third, there are many aspects that affect perceived picture quality. So it's really hard to make conclusions on the basis of any one criteria, black level, color accuracy, etc. I strongly suspect when the dust settles that that the Panasonic will still handily when on black level, as usual, but that Samsung likely will retain its existing color accuracy crown.

All that said, it's highly doubtful that the difference between the two picture qualities is as dramatic as the first-time poster above claimed, certainly not if both were properly calibrated. All of these sets have fantastic pictures and it comes down to subjective personal preference for what you visually perceive or for the fanatics among us measurements by highly sensitive instruments that go far beyond what most of us would perceive.

Agreed with your entire comment. Completely forgot about the differences between the E7000 and the VT30...but that's why I stated in my comment "on paper" and that I'm also awaiting a "proper" comparison.

Seems like it will be a few months before say Cnet compare and review the newer tv's (E7000, E8000, GT50 and VT50).

Although I've only spent 2 hours with the E8000, I look forward to spending more time with it and evaluating and comparing it to other tv's within my 30 day exchange/return window
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