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Yeah, Overall its plenty bright for me. The problem is the fluctuations. I find it hard to believe that manufaturers cannot find a way to get rid of these pops while still adhering to "limitations" of the technology and energy standards. What a joke...maybe this is why they only push and promote lcd's now. I wont do it though. I will not give up the PQ of plasma, i will just have to find one that actually works like a tv should without these issues. Even if i have to send away for a UK model! ha

I wouldn't bother doing that lol . I wish i could take all the best bits of LCD and Plasma and put them into one fault free TV... Oh hang on thats Oled
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[quote=airgon74;21901835]Lol great post! Agreed[/QUO
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Give it a rest with the hockey for cripes sake! Plasma is not great for hockey. My 5020 blows for hockey. Plus, hockey blows. We get it. If you get pops with something other than hockey, let us know.

Tell us how you REALLY feel LOL! Agreed!
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the exx00 series was measured at .0041 - is .0028 really considerably darker?

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CNET had an article this past Wednesday comparing apps on TV's. David mentioned that they have a question in to Samsung as to why HBO Go is not on the new 2012 E8000. I noticed this missing the night I fired up the new TV. Does anyone else have any insight as to where HBO Go went? On any other 2012 Samsungs? I had it on my 2010 c series...

so your SAYING you have a pnxxe8000 and you don't have the HBO GO APP that would bite because i just ordered a pn60e8000 and it's on my un46d8000 and its also on my pn50c7000 so i don't see why it wouldnt be on the newest top of the line sets

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The Exx00 series was measured at .0041 - is .0028 really considerably darker?

It's almost a 70% difference. I can't speak for ones environment or ones perception of it. With the panels side by side you should be able to see it pretty easy in a pitch black room.

If you look around you can find VT30 vs VT50 images it'll show you what .004 (vt30) vs .0028 (vt50) looks like. In case your wondering so far the VT50's have measured about the same as the ST50's.




There's more examples if you search around... Samsung's .004 is very good, I liked the VT30's blacks last year.

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so your SAYING you have a pnxxe8000 and you don't have the HBO GO APP that would bite because i just ordered a pn60e8000 and it's on my un46d8000 and its also on my pn50c7000 so i don't see why it wouldnt be on the newest top of the line sets

Not sure where i saw it, But i think it was to be added later, not ready or something. I found alot of use in Rovi tv listings app, since i run a large arial antenna and it was missing this year also, present the last few years.
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^^^^^^^^^ = Buttons easily pushed Relax dude FYI I like hockey but the Avalanche tick me off and I take it out on the entire sport.

I imagine figure skating would be just as painful to watch with all that white ice. The question is... What would Brian Boitano do?

If you are after clean bright consistant whites at the expense of every other aspect of PQ, I suggest an LED set which you mentioned you do not like. Your C7000 was prolly better due to the ABL restrictions not being quite as tight back then. The pops are due to ABL IMO and whites on any new or future PDP's will have dingy whites and fluctuating brightness to some extent regardless of manufacturer. Some just hide it better than others.

The brightness pops I get on my 2011 D7000 have nothing to do with the ABL, as the pops are always most noticeable for me on dark scenes with little to no white on screen.

These new plasmas should not, under any circumstances, have these brightness pops when they cost as much as they do.
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The brightness pops I get on my 2011 D7000 have nothing to do with the ABL, as the pops are always most noticeable for me on dark scenes with little to no white on screen.

These new plasmas should not, under any circumstances, have these brightness pops when they cost as much as they do.

what is all this chatter isnt this thread about the pnxx7000 / pnxx8000 so lets talk about them and if you dont own one go buy one and then your chatter may matter. if you like panny go get one. all that matters is that your happy. i have ordered a pn60e8000 and ill be happy so lets talk calliration. all these flag ship tv's are amazing if its panny or samsung

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It's almost a 70% difference. I can't speak for ones environment or ones perception of it. With the panels side by side you should be able to see it pretty easy in a pitch black room.

If you look around you can find VT30 vs VT50 images it'll show you what .004 (vt30) vs .0028 (vt50) looks like. In case your wondering so far the VT50's have measured about the same as the ST50's.




There's more examples if you search around... Samsung's .004 is very good, I liked the VT30's blacks last year.

This picture is fairly BS. If you look closely at the perimeter of each screen, there is more data on the outside of the vt50. So at the least, they do not have the vt50 in an overscan mode. And I do not buy for one second that the brightness on the 30 was anywhere close to where it should have been. The lights are rediculously blown out. My vt30 looked far better than what that pic is representing. This whole industry is smoke and mirrors. Only ordering one of each model you are considering and viewing them side by side will ever give you the piece of mind of which is better for you. And for the record, they all buzz. Pannys buzz just like Sammy's. It just varies from one set to another. My first 30 buzzed like there was no tomorrow. The second not nearly as much. Ironically, the D7000 I'm am testing has virtually none. Just my 2 cents.

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The brightness pops I get on my 2011 D7000 have nothing to do with the ABL, as the pops are always most noticeable for me on dark scenes with little to no white on screen.

These new plasmas should not, under any circumstances, have these brightness pops when they cost as much as they do.

You do not even have the proper fix applied as per your own words earlier on. Until you do implement a known working fix, your words fall on deaf ears.

And yeah, we need to get back on track.

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what is all this chatter isnt this thread about the pnxx7000 / pnxx8000 so lets talk about them and if you dont own one go buy one and then your chatter may matter. if you like panny go get one. all that matters is that your happy. i have ordered a pn60e8000 and ill be happy so lets talk calliration. all these flag ship tv's are amazing if its panny or samsung

Don't worry, there will be a separate calibration thread.

This chatter IS related to the E series, or more specifically, which D-series problems have been addressed and which persist. You never know, you may end up wishing you had paid a bit more attention before diving in on your purchase. Happened to many around here...
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This picture is fairly BS. If you look closely at the perimeter of each screen, there is more data on the outside of the vt50. So at the least, they do not have the vt50 in an overscan mode...

I agree, it doesn't look to be a valid comparison. They are not showing the same image, may or may not be calibrated, and digital photos tend to exaggerate things like this anyway.
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I agree, it doesn't look to be a valid comparison. They are not showing the same image, may or may not be calibrated, and digital photos tend to exaggerate things like this anyway.

I myself think it is indeed the same image with one being in 95% mode.

One example would be to look at the upper left most visible light on the VT50. It is nowhere to be seen on the VT30. There is a good quarter inch missing around the 30. The VT30 is no doubt in a 95% overscan mode. This should not effect blacks at all. That I blame on brightness being jacked on the VT30.

Either way, I do not argue for one second that blacks are indeed improved, but this pic is not a good representation of that improvement.

This topic does belong somewhat in regards to discussing black levels. I am a big fan of inky blacks, hence my 5020. But I have to admit that this D7000 impresses the hell out of me to be frank. Yes, I can see at times the lesser blacks playing their part. But there are qualities of the PQ that are difficult to quantify that I really like as do friends and fam menbers. That being said, a 10% increase in black performance has got to be playing out quite well with the E series. And so far, the numbers being returned are suggesting well beyond 10%.

Interesting discussion aside form the hockey. lol relax

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Sure, could be cropped, which casts further doubt on any sort of calibration having been performed. Anyway, still not the same thing being displayed.

I'm sure the measurements are fairly reliable now. I agree with what Siggy said, the difference will be visible under controlled circumstances, side by side, in a dark room.
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This picture is fairly BS. If you look closely at the perimeter of each screen, there is more data on the outside of the vt50. So at the least, they do not have the vt50 in an overscan mode. And I do not buy for one second that the brightness on the 30 was anywhere close to where it should have been. The lights are rediculously blown out. My vt30 looked far better than what that pic is representing. This whole industry is smoke and mirrors. Only ordering one of each model you are considering and viewing them side by side will ever give you the piece of mind of which is better for you. And for the record, they all buzz. Pannys buzz just like Sammy's. It just varies from one set to another. My first 30 buzzed like there was no tomorrow. The second not nearly as much. Ironically, the D7000 I'm am testing has virtually none. Just my 2 cents.


I knew you'd respond this way.

yes, it is. But it is a 70% difference in blacks between the two going by benchmarks anyway.

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Both TVs were calibrated by Calman employees AFAIK. It's a calman demo.

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It's almost a 70% difference. I can't speak for ones environment or ones perception of it. With the panels side by side you should be able to see it pretty easy in a pitch black room.

If you look around you can find VT30 vs VT50 images it'll show you what .004 (vt30) vs .0028 (vt50) looks like. In case your wondering so far the VT50's have measured about the same as the ST50's.




There's more examples if you search around... Samsung's .004 is very good, I liked the VT30's blacks last year.

Could you Post the source link from the HiFi-forum tread please

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This picture is fairly BS. If you look closely at the perimeter of each screen, there is more data on the outside of the vt50. So at the least, they do not have the vt50 in an overscan mode. And I do not buy for one second that the brightness on the 30 was anywhere close to where it should have been. The lights are rediculously blown out. My vt30 looked far better than what that pic is representing. This whole industry is smoke and mirrors. Only ordering one of each model you are considering and viewing them side by side will ever give you the piece of mind of which is better for you. And for the record, they all buzz. Pannys buzz just like Sammy's. It just varies from one set to another. My first 30 buzzed like there was no tomorrow. The second not nearly as much. Ironically, the D7000 I'm am testing has virtually none. Just my 2 cents.

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Don't worry, there will be a separate calibration thread.

This chatter IS related to the E series, or more specifically, which D-series problems have been addressed and which persist. You never know, you may end up wishing you had paid a bit more attention before diving in on your purchase. Happened to many around here...

sorry man about the chatter comment. My pne60e8000 is coming in wednesday the 18th thats why I mostly want to hear about this tv.. Not fight about what is a better tv. if I spend all my time worring that Ill make the correct choice I WOULD NEVER BUY ONE. If this tv turns out to be a disaster but (I doubt it). I have a PN50C7000 thats beautiful and a UN46D8000 another beautiful TV so I'LL have 30 days to return it if I hate it.
IF MY PN60E8000 is any where close to these i will be very very happy. so please lets talk about gesture control, APPS, calibration. I will do my own review and let you all know what my impression is.

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the brightness pops i get on my 2011 d7000 have nothing to do with the abl, as the pops are always most noticeable for me on dark scenes with little to no white on screen.

These new plasmas should not, under any circumstances, have these brightness pops when they cost as much as they do.

exactly!
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You do not even have the proper fix applied as per your own words earlier on. Until you do implement a known working fix, your words fall on deaf ears.

And yeah, we need to get back on track.

And how am I supposed to apply the fix when doing so will void my warranty? Not everybody here is comfortable doing some of the hacks in here that can void your warranty. Nor should we have to. These sets cost a lot of money and I don't want to trade in for a 2012 model to find out that Samsung did nothing about the brightness pops. This is a perfectly valid concern as a current Samsung owner.

The whole point of me asking about the brightness pops in the first place is to find out if it has been fixed for this year's model. Considering the lawsuit against Samsung last year over the cheap capacitors they were using in the 2011 sets, it might be worth it to me to trade in for a 2012 if I can count on no brightness pops, no rising black levels when enabling Cinema Smooth, and better quality capacitors. Sounds to me like I'm perfectly on track. I was asking if known problems on last year's sets have been fixed this year. Sounds on topic to me.
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I understand your apprehension, but think the more accurate thing to say is there is an outside chance it may void your warranty. "Very unlikely" I think would be the consensus of the experts.
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I just returned the 59d8000 plasma, since it was wayyyyy to noisy with all the buzzing. Seriously, it was much worse than any plasma I have heard in a store, you could hear it from like 12 feet away on decent volume. Anyway, I'm looking at getting this newer model, the 60e8000. My questions are:

Is the buzzing less than the previous model? I am fairly certain that the d8000 model I got was just one of the louder ones, but it would be nice to know if buzzing wasn't really an issue with most people in the e8000 series.
And has anyone had any issues with IR or burn-in? Since I watch a lot of news, watch things in 4x3, and play games it always makes me nervous. But I really love the black levels, PQ, and refresh rate of the plasmas...

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And has anyone had any issues with IR or burn-in? Since I watch a lot of news, watch things in 4x3, and play games it always makes me nervous. But I really love the black levels, PQ, and refresh rate of the plasmas...

Thanks

Just curious, did you have ir problems with your 59D8000? 59 and 64 inchers D series should be pretty good and the 51 ones will get lots of ir like my 51D555. It clears away fast though.
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Has anyone seen the 64E8000 for sale anywhere in Canada yet? I am looking at this or the Panasonic 65GT/VT50.
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im getting my pn60e8000 Wednesday can anyone with this tv let me know what APPS are available on it.
On my un46d8000 i use netflix hulu vudu and hbo go are all these on the pn60e8000?????

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And how am I supposed to apply the fix when doing so will void my warranty? Not everybody here is comfortable doing some of the hacks in here that can void your warranty. Nor should we have to. These sets cost a lot of money and I don't want to trade in for a 2012 model to find out that Samsung did nothing about the brightness pops. This is a perfectly valid concern as a current Samsung owner.

The whole point of me asking about the brightness pops in the first place is to find out if it has been fixed for this year's model. Considering the lawsuit against Samsung last year over the cheap capacitors they were using in the 2011 sets, it might be worth it to me to trade in for a 2012 if I can count on no brightness pops, no rising black levels when enabling Cinema Smooth, and better quality capacitors. Sounds to me like I'm perfectly on track. I was asking if known problems on last year's sets have been fixed this year. Sounds on topic to me.

Well said. And I'm with ya. I am sitting here with a brand new E series that pops. I too am not going to do anything to potentialy void my warranty. Everyone else on here wants to dismiss it because it only happens when watching one particular (and unpopular) type of programing. I'm not even gonna say the H word!.

This kind of in depth first hand experience is not available anywhere else, so to me its not just about talking about calibration settings for a tv you are already happy with.
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I didn't own the 59d8000 long enough to notice any IR or burn in issues, I just could not stand the abnormally loud buzzing.
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for what its worth, i am from the uk and last year i sent back four d series plasma's because of this abl brightness pop issue and i read most of you say you only see it on hockey, but i could see this happen with all content including standard tv, and gaming. it was obvious and distracting and trust me with every time where i seen the pops i directly tested the same material with my current tv where these pops do not occur.

i have a specific test file that i use of a film trailer ice age and with testing in store last year it was only the samsung plasma's that show these pops.

last week i went to check out this years models but they only had a e550 on display. i did the same test and unfortunately the pops were exactly the same as on last years d series which i am gutted about as i was interested in this tv.

i also done the same test on a panasonic ut50 which is a new model this year an the pops did not occur. so it seems this is a problem that samsung did not fix from last year.

also before anyone says about calibration of the tv reducing the pops, no matter what settings used the result was the same for my test material and with the panasonic i put it in dynamic mode and the pops don't happen.
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