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post #1501 of 4332 Old 05-31-2012, 09:10 AM
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My 51E8000 had the cleanest screen I've ever seen on a plasma. There was literally no DSE to be found. I've since returned it for the Panny 60ST50, which has DSE, but very minimal and better than most sets I've seen besides the E8000.

Thats good to hear maybe I should consider stepping up to the E8000 but I don't really think there is a difference in the panel between the E7000, just crossing my fingers and hoping the next one is as nice as my old D7000.
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The Samsung glasses are great for small head children and because they are relatively cheap to replace they again would be a best bet for a child. When I watch 3D at home I can control the light so there is no worry about light coming in the sides of the Samsung glasses. I prefer the Panasonic glasses but have no problem with the Samsungs.

I do the same thing the cheaper glasses I keep for guests and kids and ill use the good glasses for us the adults

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i asked this already but ill ask again does anyone know when HBO GO APP will be on the E8000/E7000 smart hub

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i asked this already but ill ask again does anyone know when HBO GO APP will be on the E8000/E7000 smart hub


I can let you know tonight if it's there or not yet - that is if I can connect to the apps. I was trying to get to Samsung's app store on my E7000 to see if it was available last night but I couldn't connect for some reason..error 0010 or something. I saw news the other day that it was being rolled out to Samsung TV's as wells as Time Warner for the Xbox 360s.
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My e7000 will be here Saturday. Forgive me if this is repetitive but how is it for 3D. I had an LG with passive 3D for a couple days and it was amazing. Rest of the tv sucked though. The E550 I'm replacing is ok but no where near the passive quality. Is the E7000 any better ?

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I can let you know tonight if it’s there or not yet – that is if I can connect to the apps. I was trying to get to Samsung’s app store on my E7000 to see if it was available last night but I couldn’t connect for some reason..error 0010 or something. I saw news the other day that it was being rolled out to Samsung TV’s as wells as Time Warner for the Xbox 360s.

Not sure when but know its not on my E7000 now. Finally able to get into smarthub apps. Had to change DNS from auto to manual then enter 8.8.4.4 vs. 0.0.0.0. Arrgh
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Not sure when buy know its not on my now. Finally able to get into smarthub apps. Had to change DNS from auto to manual then enter 8.8.4.4 vs. 0.0.0.0. Arrgh

I have HBO GO on my C7000 and my D8000 just would like to know when Samsung will put it on my E8000

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I just started messing with the Smart Hub last night and something weird is happening with mine. The TV connects to the internet fine and will download updates and everything but none of my apps will launch everytime I try it says Error_Update_001?

I tried searching online but nobody has posted about this error yet. I even tried the google fix by replacing the IP address with 8.8.8.8 but it didn't change anything for me.

Anybody know how to fix it?

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Not sure when buy know its not on my now. Finally able to get into smarthub apps. Had to change DNS from auto to manual then enter 8.8.4.4 vs. 0.0.0.0. Arrgh

What's up with the google DNS servers? These 2 posts refer to the google servers. Does the TV have problems with default DNS servers from some ISP's? It just so happens that I have my router set to use the google servers and I've had no issues. The TV picks up the google DNS without any problems. I would think that the DNS entry on the TV should be auto so it picks up the server from your router. Do you guys have the "soft AP" feature enabled?

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I have HBO GO on my C7000 and my D8000 just would like to know when Samsung will put it on my E8000

I read that they plan on releasing the APP to the E series, but I haven't read anything that indicates when they will do so.

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Hey All,

Does anyone own both of these 51 inch plasma models and can you please tell me if there is ANYWAY to use the foot-style stand from the d7000 series on the claw-style stand of the E7000 series. (Not a fan of the shiny claw). BB and Samsung support have been little to no help, so I'm reaching out here before picking up the new model. I already know the piece that attaches to the back of the tv is a different size, but the part of it that screws into the stand looks very similar... but can't tell if it's exact. Anyway, help would be extremely appreciated.

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The claw kind of grows on you after a while. At first I hated it - but now I'm indifferent to it.

I can't answer your question about whether the stands can be interchanged, but I wouldn't be willing to risk a multi-thousand dollar TV to the strength of a stand that wasn't meant for it. If it bothers you that much, a wall mount might be the way to go.
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What's up with the google DNS servers? These 2 posts refer to the google servers. Does the TV have problems with default DNS servers from some ISP's? It just so happens that I have my router set to use the google servers and I've had no issues. The TV picks up the google DNS without any problems. I would think that the DNS entry on the TV should be auto so it picks up the server from your router. Do you guys have the "soft AP" feature enabled?

I have not enabled soft AP. I looked through my router settings, ASUS RT-N66U, and don't see anything that looks restrictive. I can stream netflix, use the web browser, hula, etc..no problem. Access to Samsung Smart Apps fails unless I change to 8.8.4.4. When I had 0.0.0.0 I get error_code_010. When I change to 8.8.8.8 I get error_code_11. I read that this was an issue last year so I used the settings. Not sure how I can troubleshoot more to isolate the problem. Not that versed in what server is whose and where it's connecting. Feels free to pm me if you want me to try different things.
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I have a pn60e7000 in my home and overall love the image quality. My only question is, I also have a p60st50 which currently has much better black levels compared to the E7000 when I do a side by side comparison in house. This surprised me since the CNET reviews tested the E8000 to have black levels equal to the ST50.

If anything, this is my only real complaint with the E7000, outside of its observable black level performance in my house it has a very nice picture. Does anyone know if the measurements of black levels pre and post professional calibration change on this set? Should I expect an observable difference in black levels after a pro calibration? If not, I don't understand how the ST50 and E7000 measure at just about the same MLL (assuming the E8000 and E7000 are effectively the same panel) but there is a distinct and noticable difference in black levels when I compare the two side by side regardless of the content I am viewing. The difference, to my surprise, is strikingly in favor of the ST50 when comparing black levels. Perhaps the E7000 gets better with age. I am somewhat stumped.
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what Picture settings should I use for Video Gaming? The Cnet settings are Too Dark.

I set my E7000 to game mode and took BF3 out for a few rounds and it was plenty bright. I had the cell light at 19, contrast 95, and brightness at 45. I had no complaints at all with its brightness.

Is there a specific game you are playing where you have this complaint or is it all gaming in general?
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I have a pn60e7000 in my home and overall love the image quality. My only question is, I also have a p60st50 which currently has much better black levels compared to the E7000 when I do a side by side comparison in house. This surprised me since the CNET reviews tested the E8000 to have black levels equal to the ST50.

If anything, this is my only real complaint with the E7000, outside of its observable black level performance in my house it has a very nice picture. Does anyone know if the measurements of black levels pre and post professional calibration change on this set? Should I expect an observable difference in black levels after a pro calibration? If not, I don't understand how the ST50 and E7000 measure at just about the same MLL (assuming the E8000 and E7000 are effectively the same panel) but there is a distinct and noticable difference in black levels when I compare the two side by side regardless of the content I am viewing. The difference, to my surprise, is strikingly in favor of the ST50 when comparing black levels. Perhaps the E7000 gets better with age. I am somewhat stumped.

One thing to keep in mind, it seems that the larger sized Panasonics (60-65") seem to have lower black levels than the 55", which is the size of the ST50 that CNet reviewed I think. Or at least, that is the general consensus around here.
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I have a pn60e7000 in my home and overall love the image quality. My only question is, I also have a p60st50 which currently has much better black levels compared to the E7000 when I do a side by side comparison in house. This surprised me since the CNET reviews tested the E8000 to have black levels equal to the ST50.

If anything, this is my only real complaint with the E7000, outside of its observable black level performance in my house it has a very nice picture. Does anyone know if the measurements of black levels pre and post professional calibration change on this set? Should I expect an observable difference in black levels after a pro calibration? If not, I don't understand how the ST50 and E7000 measure at just about the same MLL (assuming the E8000 and E7000 are effectively the same panel) but there is a distinct and noticable difference in black levels when I compare the two side by side regardless of the content I am viewing. The difference, to my surprise, is strikingly in favor of the ST50 when comparing black levels. Perhaps the E7000 gets better with age. I am somewhat stumped.

I don't think (I could be wrong) CNET professionally calibrates their sets for reviews. I think they just use what controls are available in the TV menus and do not enter the service menu. Their reasoning is that most users will not have their sets professionally calibrated so they want to use what the average consumer would see.
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CNET will calibrate every set as much as possible, that's the only way to make a fair comparison. Could be a size issue, but I believe they may have just messed up that measurement. ChadB has 0.0049 for the ST50 and 0.0089 for the E8000:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21795029

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post21923627

I would not expect any improvement as the panel ages.
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Everything I've seen so far indicates that the ST (as well as GT and VT) have ~1/2 the black level of the E series with smaller panels in both series running higher mll than the larger sizes.
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They measured 0,004 on E8000 at flatpanel shootout. Adrian s measured 60E6500:
CS OFF - 0% black=.0064 100% white=38.60
CS ON - 0% black=.0049 100% white=36.32
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I have HBO GO on my C7000 and my D8000 just would like to know when Samsung will put it on my E8000

Yeah,what IS the deal with this NETWORK ERROR UPDATE 001,its rediculous! Constantly have to rest smart hub and start all over again,anyone else experience this?
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I read that they plan on releasing the APP to the E series, but I haven't read anything that indicates when they will do so.

Laptops have come down so much in price, if need be, ditch the apps and hook up a laptop and do whatever you like on the net. Computers will soon enough be hooked right into TV's on a normal basis. In fact many guys already do this on AVS, have a stand alone computer just for there TV
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Just got a E8000 to replace my C680 that needed the panel replaced. My jaw dropped once I set it up and turned it on. And I thought my 680 had a nice picture. Turned off the Voice and Hand control thing not sure whats up with the errors when trying to use apps. I'll use the web browser I guess but the IR blaster synced with my Comcast box is a pain to use. I will have to play with it more later.
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I haven't put in the CNET settings yet for my E8000 but I'm pretty much done with break-in by tomorrow morning, so this weekend I'll get a chance to actually see just how good this set can look. I will say, so far, during break-in with Cinemax, the black levels don't seem to look very impressive - it's just not as impressive as the ST50 was where black levels are concerned. But keep in mind both the contrast and brightness are at 50%. Can I expect the black levels to look better once I put in CNET's settings? I would think the increased brightness and contrast should help with the black levels but maybe that's not the case?
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Just got a E8000 to replace my C680 that needed the panel replaced. My jaw dropped once I set it up and turned it on. And I thought my 680 had a nice picture. Turned off the Voice and Hand control thing not sure whats up with the errors when trying to use apps. I'll use the web browser I guess but the IR blaster synced with my Comcast box is a pain to use. I will have to play with it more later.

I have my computer hooked to my surround and can watch HBO GO.
With the app i get 5.1 Dolby digital on my PN50C7000 AND UN46D8000 so that why i would rather have the app for the surround sound.

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Laptops have come down so much in price, if need be, ditch the apps and hook up a laptop and do whatever you like on the net. Computers will soon enough be hooked right into TV's on a normal basis. In fact many guys already do this on AVS, have a stand alone computer just for there TV

I think the video streaming apps are probably the best features in Smarthub. It's nice to have streaming available without needing to connect other devices. The web browser is awkward and painfully slow. For me the browser is basically useless. I use an iPad for browsing when I'm around the TV. The Samsung remote app or the ipad works fairly well and gives me a keyboard for the TV when I want one. The next complaint that will pop up will be the browser image burned into the screen.
I find the gesture feature is useless and I haven't bothered with the voice command feature. I can't see myself waving my hands and arguing with the TV. I've got a wife for that.
The Skype feature is promising.

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I find the gesture feature is useless and I haven't bothered with the voice command feature. I can't see myself waving my hands and arguing with the TV. I've got a wife for that.

That got a good laugh out of me. Thanks for that.

Regarding the browser, I can't imagine why they would even include one with a plasma set. It seems like a very bad idea to me, just begging for problems with image retention.
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I kind of like the web browser feature. My brother paid 300 for a Logitech thing that has a camera that gets mounted on top of the TV and has a web browser. He later realized you can video call somebody who has the same logitech system. At least I will be able to use the skype program to call my girls this summer from camp.
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That got a good laugh out of me. Thanks for that.

Regarding the browser, I can't imagine why they would even include one with a plasma set. It seems like a very bad idea to me, just begging for problems with image retention.

i have a pn60e8000 compared to my PN50C7000 i have no noticeable IR on my PN60E8000
now if we were talking about my PN50C7000 which is very very bad for IR i would worry a lot you just pull up the menu and adjust settings and that IR is there like right now
but the PN60E8000 MUST HAVE A BETTER PANEL i wouldn't worry unless you brows for like all day

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After just returning a 51'' E8000 plasma for a 55'' GT50, I thought I would post a comparison of the PQ of the two TV's. I am no expert and it is not fair to make a final judgement until the GT50 breaks in (one day old), but here are my initial impressions...

Although I would not call the GT50 image ''soft'' like some have said, I will say that while watching HD cable the E8000 has a very slight edge in showing fine detail with a bit more clarity. The GT50 closes the gap in this area when watching bluray with both sets showing amazing clarity and sharpness.

The biggest advantage the GT50 has over the E8000 is its wider dynamic range. It can get much brighter while still maintaining much better black levels than the E8000. As deep as the black level on the GT50 is (typically blending in with the bezel) the shadow detail is equally as great. Dark scenes on the GT50 have a realistic depth to them that my E8000 could not match. Black bars during movies are finally really black on the GT50. Both TV's perform well in daytime/brightroom veiwing but the GT50 has the edge with its great contrast, and what seems to be a slightly better screen filter.

Both TV's have great color. The E8000 might have a bit more ''pop'' but the color on the GT50 seems very realistic and accurate in preset THX mode without calibration.

Both TV's have very good motion resolution. The E8000 has 24p playback for bluray, but to my eyes the motion on the GT looks just as good. I like that the GT50 allows for different levels of motion "smoothing".

I am being careful with still images on the screen, but i have not noticed any IR yet on the GT50. The E8000 was very resistant to IR.

The GT50 seems to show a bit more line bleed than the E8000, but it is minimal and should not be an issue during normal veiwing. Other owners have said this improves with time.

Niether TV seemed to have issues with DSE.

Being that i am a huge hockey fan, the moment of truth came when watching the LA/NJ game. The GT50 did not dissapoint. Hockey is better on the GT50 with brighter white's and best of all... NO FLUCTUATING BRIGHTNESS!!!!! (my main reason for returning the Samsung)

I can not compare 3D PQ because i dont have glasses yet.

At this point i would say that overall PQ is very close between the GT50 and the E8000. Both TV's provide some amazing images, and both have their own strengths. For me the strengths of the GT50 out-weight those of the E8000.
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After breaking in the E8000 for around 185 hours, I decided that was enough and put in the CNET settings and watched Yellow Submarine tonight. Right away, within 5 minutes, I saw the screen turn off when the screen went black for a moment. Right before the main title sequence starts with the Yellow Submarine song, the screen went to black briefly and the screen instantly turned off, then flickered quickly for a second or two until it came back on.

The same thing happened again at the end, just after the "All Together Now" credit sequence finished, and went to black. Again, the screen instantly turned off, then flickered wildly for a couple seconds until it came back on again. My girlfriend and I noticed it both times and it is very disruptive and annoying. The ST50 never behaved like that. The weird thing is I never saw this tv do that with all the hours of break-in I did. The first time I sat down to watch a movie tonight with the CNET settings put in and it happened.

I have the brightness set at 46 because a poster in the thread here mentioned that setting the brightness from 45 to 46 eliminates the screen turning off during black screens, but that did not seem to be the case for me. I played the last scene over again with the brightness at 47 and the same thing happened.

I called Samsung and reported the issue, and mentioned that even CNET talked about it in their review of the set, and that it is mentioned in the forums as well. He seemed to understand what it was doing and said he will escalate it and hopefully it would get fixed in the next firmware update, but I'm pretty sure that's just something they are supposed to say. He also said I could fill out the online form on their website and report it as well. I urge others to also call Samsung and report this issue if they have noticed it. It is the only way they will address the issue.

I haven't watched enough tv yet with the CNET settings to get a good idea of how it looks yet, but I do notice that the blacks don't seem nearly as good as the ST50. I was hoping they would be pretty close, but so far I'm not blown away by the blacks on this set like I was on the ST50. I'll watch some Battlestar Galactica tomorrow and hopefully with some nice space scenes I'll get a better idea of just how deep the blacks can get.

I will say the screen seems plenty bright. The scene with the Nowhere Man song had tons of white and it looked quite bright to me. The colors look very nice so far. But this problem with the screen turning off has me very concerned. It is very jarring and ruins the scene.

EDIT: I was just watching some of "Tree of Life" on Cinemax and saw the screen turn off late in the film when a space scene fades to black. The screen turned off for a couple seconds before turning back on again. I don't know if it was doing it during break-in and I haven't noticed it before now, since for the most part I wasn't paying much attention, or if somehow CNET's settings make it more noticeable or actually trigger it happening. All I know is this is awful and I can't believe Samsung would think this is a good thing. I asked in this thread before I bought this tv if this would be a problem and the response was "no". Well I've nooticed it several times tonight already and it's a total deal-breaker for me if this doesn't get fixed. Unfortunately I've got less than 3 weeks to return this set now and I'm sure even if Samsung will fix this it will take longer than that for the fix to get released, so now I have to decide if this is something I can live with. I think the image is excellent overall other than the weaker black levels, but this screen turning off issue is going to be something I see alot I think, and I hate it.

EDIT: It did it again several times during the end credits sequence of Tree Of Life, in between credits. What was Samsung thinking?
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