Originally Posted by deria
Ok, so here is what I found:
1) If I deliberately set my brightness to a low value (42) and therefore cause excessive black crush, I do see what eagle_2 is seeing during the Watchmen. It is immediately apparent during the fade-to-black sections between each of the group photograph scenes which are shown after buddy gets thrown at a window. I even saw one fade where the screen went off, then on, then off, then on in rapid succession.
2) If I raise my brightness to a more correct setting (46, though I haven't actually run the test pattern yet so I can't say for sure whether that itself is even too low) then the issue goes away completely.
I don't think you can hold the TV accountable eagle_2. This is user error, plain and simple. If I leave my windows open because I like a nice breeze, I can't complain to the people that make my air conditioner that my home isn't pleasantly cool. Yes, it would be nice if the air conditioner was so good that it could acommodate my tastes, but they didn't build it that way and its not fair for me to expect it to behave that way.
Don't get me wrong, though -- you'd have a valid argument if you had to set the brightness to a higher value than the test pattern indicates is optimal. Try that and see what your experience is.
Also bear in mind, I'd be happy if Samsung simply provided an option to disable that behaviour entirely -- but I certainly wouldn't be bitter if they didn't. Set your settings correctly and you'll be a happier camper, I think.
Thanks for checking out the video. I really do appreciate it. Still, I'm shocked how everybody in here wants to call it user error!!!
Seriously, user error? Then since I don't know how to use my tv, why did the D7000 not do this? Why did the ST50 not do this?
I've never, ever heard of a plasma that turns its screen off or even worse flickers back and forth just because the user, for whatever reason
, has the brightness set a tad bit high or low. I'm simply amazed that people in here are okay with this. Just amazed. My brightness is set at 46 and it flickers wildly or shuts off regularly. As I said, I'll use the AVS disc and see what number I end up with. Nevertheless, this is ridiculous behavior for a plasma and I'm just amazed that so many are defending the tv and blaming the user for setting his/her tv the way he/she prefers. Users should not be penalized just because their set is not dialed in perfectly according to a test disc.
Let me ask this: How many people who buy one of these sets end up in here? I'm willing to guess that most people who buy a plasma do not even know of this forum, or don't read it regularly. Most users walk into a store, ask a few questions, and buy a tv. The other day I heard somebody in Best Buy ask a sales person about tvs, and within minutes seemed interested in asking more about plasmas even though he started asking about LCDs. Is he going to come in here to read about how to optimally set the tv? Possibly, but likely no.
Most people buy a tv, LCD or plasma, and go home and watch it. They may make some basic setting adjustments, or even just use a built-in preset, and leave it at that. I know the mere thought of that must make you all squirm in your seats, and it does me too actually - I could never do that. But that's how people use their tvs. To think that so many people might encounter this "feature" where the screen turns off, just because they don't know how to perfectly tune their tv, is a shame. And don't blame the average user for being ignorant or not doing research, etc. - my girlfriend's folks bought an LCD last year and if it wasn't for me they would be watching a preset mode. They have had only experience with a CRT their whole life - now what if they had bought this set because the sales guy swayed them over to it and they went for it? They would have no previous experience or reason to think that if it's not perfectly
calibrated then one wrong click too dark would mean the set behaving this way.
It's unnecessary behavior and unfair to blame users for their settings when my settings are very well within what I believe to be acceptable quality. I am very picky about my image quality and though I admit this isn't set up perfect yet, it looks very very nice, and I'm pretty frustrated to keep hearing how it's all my fault for my lousy settings. You are acting like my brightness is on 10 for crying out loud. I'm only 2
clicks away from what others here are mentioning. Two
. That my set can look this nice with the numbers the way they are, and to have people say that it's my settings that are so
far off that it's my fault, I just don't know what else to say.
Thanks again for torturing yourself with Watchmen and reporting back. Thanks for verifying what you saw. I'm just surprised that people in here expect the average user to know that they need to get their settings this perfect to avoid this behavior. You should be able to buy this set, take it home, adjust it to your liking, and enjoy it, without it turning off the screen like it does. I do very much agree that proper adjustment is really necessary to get the best out of these sets. But for those who just buy it and enjoy it, they shouldn't be affected by this "feature".