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post #151 of 4339 Old 03-24-2012, 06:59 PM - Thread Starter
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DAVID1923 i think there's something werong with your meter.

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Tony you are correct. It is only my opinion that is true. Everything you said is true except for black levels. Side by side they look the same unless someone else has superman eyes and I don't. But web is faster but 1080p is 1080p and the same on both sets.
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Tony can a surge protector cause a tiny clicking sound coming from tv even when tv is off? Once in a while I get a faint like static click sound in upper left hand corner of e8000. Even if tv is off. Doesn't happen all the time. Could it be surge protector. Everything else is fine blu ray, ps3 receivers, cable box. What could it be. Friend told me that it is cuz plasmas get hot and can make sounds when cooling down.
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Tony can a surge protector cause a tiny clicking sound coming from tv even when tv is off? Once in a while I get a faint like static click sound in upper left hand corner of e8000. Even if tv is off. Doesn't happen all the time. Could it be surge protector. Everything else is fine blu ray, ps3 receivers, cable box. What could it be. Friend told me that it is cuz plasmas get hot and can make sounds when cooling down.

well, plasma do get hot and you should expect some strange sounds at first but after 2-3 uses it should be gone. It can be a result of your reciever - easy way to check - turn on tv - then turn off reciever, use tv speakers, then let it play for about 30 min, then shut it off listen for sound. I am thinking it may be a signaling switch going to the hdmi input . what port is your reciever in ? Make sure it is in port 2 (should say arc on it or near it) different ports are for different devices (even though they will work otherwise) . Usually port 1 is a dvi port , port 2 is an arc (audio return channel) port port 3 is usually for ps3 or laptop. If you still hear the clicling it would not have anything to do with surge protector. Also if you are using hdmi do not use an optical cord - this was a problem for another user. let me know your results.

as for the black level, I believe that with in close parameters 0.003 - 0.006 it is indistinguisable to the naked eye, but eeveryone has there opinion. I also do not subscribe to the black level is the most inportant feature in pq- I kind of think like a great engine is awesome but without a great transmission the engine will never reach its full potential, as in a tv with great black level is not all that matters cause you need great color accuracy or you may as well watch black and white. I would take a tv with 0.006fl and reference color any day of the week over a 0.001fl black level and colors that were over/under satureated. I believe that the Samsung e8000 is an excellent tv, and it is about $700 less than the comparable vt50 (64-65 inch size) but again , just my opinion.

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I would take a tv with 0.006fl and reference color any day of the week over a 0.001fl black level and colors that were over/under satureated. I believe that the Samsung e8000 is an excellent tv, and it is about $700 less than the comparable vt50 (64-65 inch size) but again , just my opinion.

I agree. I had a problematic 55st30 for a few weeks. Had a green tint that I could not work around. It probably had good black levels, but if so, that didn't help me keep it. Got a 59d550 to replace it (for the same great price). The colors are great (and it is much brighter, and exhibits much less contouring), so I am very happy with it. If the black level is not quite as good, I sure don't notice :-)
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Can't remember if i already asked but is there much difference between the E6500 and E8000 regarding this 'Clear Image Panel' the E8000 has ?. Thanks .
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last year the 59d550-59d8000 all had pretty much very similar black levels. does e550-e8000 follow the same way this year?

I think the samsung plasma's will be ok this year but I'd rather have the 55vt50 over the 59e8000 if I had a choice but I don't cause 55 is max I can fit. I'd have to get a 51 if I wanted a samsung plasma and the 51" samsungs have an incredibly higher black level.

Has cinema smooth black level rising bug been fixed?
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Tony you seem like a great person. Thanks for info. Actually only thing going to my tv is cable box hdmi in hdmi1. Ps3 to hdmi2. No receiver yet. Those only things plugged in and still getting this small spark clicking sound even when tv is off. Upper left corner. Do I have anything plugged in wrong. Please help tony. I'm thinking something is wrong with the tv. But picture and sound is great
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@Tony > Do you notice retention on your E8000? And what about judder? I noticed some 24p motion issues on the D8000, so what's the situation on the E8000? Are Bluray films and TV programs super fluid this time? Any new interesting options in the menu about that?
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i have a 6 year old 42 inch plasma no buzz at all, thinking of getting the e series

is everyone with an e series got the buzzing issue?
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I do. 64" e8000. Can only hear it in a quiet room with no (or very low) audio thru the sound system. I'm probably driving myself crazy, but I returned a quiet 64d8000 last week in favor of the new model and I'm regretting it a little bit.
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I do. 64" e8000. Can only hear it in a quiet room with no (or very low) audio thru the sound system. I'm probably driving myself crazy, but I returned a quiet 64d8000 last week in favor of the new model and I'm regretting it a little bit.

How about you,did you notice a difference in PQ between the two sets?
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Too early to tell. I used settings posted by d owners users on my d last month. Applied the same settings to the new e and they look good but not great. I really didn't expect them to look as good due to some of the changes made this year, so I'll hold out on a giving thumbs up or down until I get the e calibrated or someone shares their e settings.
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Too early to tell. I used settings posted by d owners users on my d last month. Applied the same settings to the new e and they look good but not great. I really didn't expect them to look as good due to some of the changes made this year, so I'll hold out on a giving thumbs up or down until I get the e calibrated or someone shares their e settings.

Fair enough,why did you get rid of a quiet D series?just curious,as im sure as you get used to this set it wont be a buyers remorse!
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Fair enough,why did you get rid of a quiet D series?just curious,as im sure as you get used to this set it wont be a buyers remorse!

Long story short, I was loving the d8000 when I notice an occasional freeze in the picture. Thought it might be the directv receiver but, because I was still in my 30 days with bb, didn't want to risk that it was the tv. So I decided to get the newer set - faster processor, darker bezel, camera, etc.

And for those wondering, absolutely no Fbr issues with the e. Not even in 3D, although I haven't watched that much 3D yet.
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I know the ES8000 has a cmr (clear motion rate) of 960 and the ES7000 has a cmr of 840, now how it works with the plasma - I do not know. As far as the black filter ( over screen to reduce reflections) should be the same on all models. I also , understand the new filter is an improvement from last year and should not cause dimming of the image, resulting in an even brighter picture. The improved 3d glasses also improve the brightness when watching
3D. I will check for you on the E6500 specifically and will post results tonight.

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If you guys really want to take notice to a big improvement over last year as far as black level, look at a scene that has alot of dark black and shadow detail, the shadow detail should be clear and not crush out small details with black. I will post some scenes for you to view to understand what I am talking aboit. Last years D8000 was great, but in some scenes the shadow detail was "crushed" by black - so you didn't see little details in the picture that you should have. This years E8000 does a great job in this regard, I watched Clash of the Titans" (actually still watching it as I am posting), and I can see the details in the darker scenes and shadows I did not in when viewing with the D8000.


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I purchased a Samsung PN51e8000 plasma hdtv with delivery scheduled for 3/27. Do I need to use burn in slides like I did with my PAnny? If I do, how do I setup the tv and slides for this burn-in procedures? How long to run the slides -I used the 100 hors for my Panasonic.
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I know the ES8000 has a cmr (clear motion rate) of 960 and the ES7000 has a cmr of 840, now how it works with the plasma - I do not know.

None of those things apply to plasmas. They involve strobing the backlight, which is an LCD-only technique.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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Interesting findings tonight during some testing. I noticed that CS seem to be stable on the new set (finally), so i put the meter on it. Results are interesting to say the least.
CS OFF - 0% black=.0064 100% white=38.60
CS ON - 0% black=.0049 100% white=36.32
D3pro meter

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I tried to edit that. I got so excited my dyslexia kicked in


I deleted mine

I would add that you used the D3 Pro

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Too early to tell. I used settings posted by d owners users on my d last month. Applied the same settings to the new e and they look good but not great. I really didn't expect them to look as good due to some of the changes made this year, so I'll hold out on a giving thumbs up or down until I get the e calibrated or someone shares their e settings.

I strongly reccomend getting the disney "wow" calibration disc or the dve disc, you will see a much better result.


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@Tony > Do you notice retention on your E8000? And what about judder? I noticed some 24p motion issues on the D8000, so what's the situation on the E8000? Are Bluray films and TV programs super fluid this time? Any new interesting options in the menu about that?

I have not noticed any ir as of yet. 24p was a slight problem on my D8000 also, but so far so great on the E8000 as far as 24p. Blu ray movies are really really nice to watch , I don't see any brightness issues at all, and the black level does not "crush" the detail in the shadow , which is awesome. The new menu is taking me some time, I am so used to the D8000 and the qwerty remote that I would really need to sit down and look to see whats new and whats not.

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Interesting findings tonight during some testing. I noticed that CS seem to be stable on the new set (finally), so i put the meter on it. Results are interesting to say the least.
CS OFF - 0% black=.0064 100% white=38.60
CS ON - 0% black=.0049 100% white=36.32
D3pro meter

that is a better result than the D8000. nice. Glad to hear these results. Have you took notice to the shadow detail ? I think it is much better as the dark black level does not take away from the shadow detail and you can see more of the finer details in the shadows. Have you had similar results ?


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People keep recommending that people buy the WOW disc, why not recommend the AV HD 709 which is free?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

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People keep recommending that people buy the WOW disc, why not recommend the AV HD 709 which is free?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

THANK YOU, didn't know that was available. FREE is always better. I am going to try to burn this to disc and use it now, I will report my results. Again, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.


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2011 bezels on the D8000 were light titanium, the D7000 dark titanium. I don't know about what was shown at CES. It's "to", not "too" (sorry, painful). It appears the stupid x stand won out (sad).







Yeah there was some conflicting info coming from ces like the video here as to which the bezel was jet black as opposed to the grey from last year, and some models bein released thus far such as the ES6500 are having the claw stand painted black as opposed to the chrome, both reasons are why i did not want to be relying on the stock photos and wanted to see some in hand photos... An as to me pushing the O button once to many times in my previous post well........................................... My apollogies too you kind Sir lol
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I don't see how these samsungs will be successful when they enforce UPP so strictly. The only reason people buy samsung plasmas is because they are cheaper per sq inch of screen space than the comparable model from panasonic. With this UPP enforced so strict samsungs price advantage vanishes and it would be foolish to pay the same for a lower quality picture.
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THANK YOU, didn't know that was available. FREE is always better. I am going to try to burn this to disc and use it now, I will report my results. Again, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.


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Your welcome Tony.

I've seen that Wow disk recommended several times during the past week, on these boards and even on an Amazon review where that person previously thanked AVS for recommending the TV. This forum is a wonderful source of information -for free.

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People keep recommending that people buy the WOW disc, why not recommend the AV HD 709 which is free?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

I was able to download this last night, Make sure you read the directions first !!
I took it step by step - otherwise I never would have figured out how to do it - and it took me about 15 minutes. I have the Samsung bd-d5500 so you can add that to the list of players it works with no problems. I burned a dvd copy. Anyway, I ran the disc on the tv and I can tell you I like the pq better now. It seems as though the brightness and tint are better set now using this FREE disc. Can't thank all those who made this available to all of us here. Thanks
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