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post #571 of 9787 Old 04-24-2012, 10:22 AM
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Could someone please help a newbie like me with these questions? Thanks!
1) I'd take these slides and put them on a usb drive and look at them in photo viewer to see if it's still there, it may show up on one or more slides if it's the tv.Attachment 244451

2)Don't watch anything in standard mode as it's the energy saving mode and not for serious viewing. It will fluctuate.

3)I've heard of people saying they get IR in THX mode and switching away from that, it goes away.

4) I did a test on my ST30 with about 30hrs on it and after a few sessions I had IR from a white hud. A day or two later and it was gone with full screen viewing. So break it up a bit and inspect with the slides and you can come up with an idea of what it takes to get and remove IR.

5)I just watch everything using D-Nices settings. When gaming in custom mode you may want to reduce contrast a bit on a newer set, after you get some hours it gets better about IR. I don't like the look of game mode, seems unnatural.

6)No cats allowed in my house,lol Especially standard ones. Kidding aside Those two settings are going to change what the display shows and I like it more stable like the intention of the source.

8)Motion smoother can cause artifacts, when it's off you get none. Really no need for it most of the time.

9)when you are using the web is there a mostly white screen? When doing this you may be seeing the 60hz refresh rate flicker, common on all crt's and plasmas. A darker screen will show less of this effect.

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1) I'd take these slides and put them on a usb drive and look at them in photo viewer to see if it's still there, it may show up on one or more slides if it's the tv.Attachment 244451

2)Don't watch anything in standard mode as it's the energy saving mode and not for serious viewing. It will fluctuate.

3)I've heard of people saying they get IR in THX mode and switching away from that, it goes away.

4) I did a test on my ST30 with about 30hrs on it and after a few sessions I had IR from a white hud. A day or two later and it was gone with full screen viewing. So break it up a bit and inspect with the slides and you can come up with an idea of what it takes to get and remove IR.

5)I just watch everything using D-Nices settings. When gaming in custom mode you may want to reduce contrast a bit on a newer set, after you get some hours it gets better about IR. I don't like the look of game mode, seems unnatural.

6)No cats allowed in my house,lol Especially standard ones. Kidding aside Those two settings are going to change what the display shows and I like it more stable like the intention of the source.

8)Motion smoother can cause artifacts, when it's off you get none. Really no need for it most of the time.

9)when you are using the web is there a mostly white screen? When doing this you may be seeing the 60hz refresh rate flicker, common on all crt's and plasmas. A darker screen will show less of this effect.

Whew! Hope that helps

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Thanks very helpful. You've helped me out! Oh, and could you please tell me where I could find Dnice settings?

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Thanks very helpful. You've helped me out! Oh, and could you please tell me where I could find Dnice settings?

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They're at high def junkies dot com (no spaces) in the 2012 panasonic settings/issues thread. You'll have to register, I believe (but it's free).

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I noticed buzzing on my new 55gt50 as soon as I plugged it in and can hear it from 7' away clearly on moderate to bright content.

Other than the buzz the TV is excellent and I hope I can get used to it.

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My new GT50 buzzes. I can hear it when there is a bright scene with no sound or very low, around 6 feet from the set. It is rather low in volume and is not high pitched.


Year after year, its the same story. Quite a few complaints of buzzing. Usually just swept away as isolated "defectives." However with each passing year, I find it *so* hard to believe. G20 buzzed. Effectively 4 different sets. GT30 buzzed. GT50 buzzes. Plasma's buzz at a distance. That or quite a few plasmas are "defective." I do not buy that buzzing plasma is a defect and is not the norm. I believe it is the norm.
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So, you think I should return my set? It buzzes quite audibly on a white screen (Is this normal or not?) and there is something odd, like blotchy dark lines that gradually become apparent on a white screen with photo slides as you focus on the screen. I thought that was IR at the bottom of my screen due to black bars, but is this Line Bleed that I'm seeing because it doesn't seem to be fixed and is rather ephemeral. I believe it is not an issue with most normal viewing content though.
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Way better than mine--and from a fellow Springfieldian!

A big effort for me, hehe. I don't see any peps from this area in the plasma section, but I stick to the panny threads for the most part. Good to see someone else show up, we may have to hook up sometime.
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So, you think I should return my set? It buzzes quite audibly on a white screen (Is this normal or not?) and there is something odd, like blotchy dark lines that gradually become apparent on a white screen with photo slides as you focus on the screen. I thought that was IR at the bottom of my screen due to black bars, but is this Line Bleed that I'm seeing because it doesn't seem to be fixed and is rather ephemeral. I believe it is not an issue with most normal viewing content though.

Personally, I would either accept the buzzing or move onto either Samsung plasma or LCD. Samsung have reports of buzzing too though. I've been in your exact situation. I returned once. Replaced boards twice. Then I upgraded to a different year. All of them buzzed.

The argument is that LCD doesn't have the uniformity that plasma does. Well, my GT30 has green blobs, so its kinda mox nix. If I did it again, I'd probably just settle for a bang-for-buck LCD. Even if I spent $5k, its still gonna be flawed somehow. In my mind, not small flaws but large ones. Floating brightness/floating blacks. Buzzing. Green blobs. Halo'ing on the upper echelon LCD's, etc. So why not just settle right out of the gate. Actually, my argument is quite irrational and I honestly don't know what I would buy. The GT30 is already a nice bang for buck, its just that I went in expecting no buzzing and near perfection. Nothing is perfect.
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Funny, the reason why i went panasonic is because of all the buzzing complaints with sammy

I think that to get an LCD/LED that could match the IQ of plasma would be more expensive, no? I can't afford the Elites or the top of the range samsung local dimming set.
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Year after year, its the same story. Quite a few complaints of buzzing. Usually just swept away as isolated "defectives." However with each passing year, I find it *so* hard to believe. G20 buzzed. Effectively 4 different sets. GT30 buzzed. GT50 buzzes. Plasma's buzz at a distance. That or quite a few plasmas are "defective." I do not buy that buzzing plasma is a defect and is not the norm. I believe it is the norm.

Plasmas buzz. Some plasmas buzz louder than others. Some people are more sensitive to a plasma TV's buzzing than others. I accept this because it is true, and because the superior picture quality outweighs the buzzing.

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Can anybody here who owns this set confirm if the ST50/GT50 will send 5.1 DTS through either the ARC HDMI port and/or optical cable to my receiver when playing an mkv with 5.1 DTS with its built-in media player? I've read conflicting statements about this.
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MY GT50 still smells after 60 hours on contrast over 70% in custom or THX. You can sometimes smell it from adjacent room if window is closed. No smell on lower contrast settings. It's going back soon if this not go away within my 30 day period. However, since Panasonic said that this should not happen and that it could be defective I'm worried that it won't dissipate. I hope they are not all like this, and it is just mine.
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MY GT50 still smells after 60 hours on contrast over 70% in custom or THX. You can sometimes smell it from adjacent room if window is closed. No smell on lower contrast settings. It's going back soon if this not go away within my 30 day period. However, since Panasonic said that this should not happen and that it could be defective I'm worried that it won't dissipate. I hope they are not all like this, and it is just mine.

I would just exchange it for a new panel now. There's no way that's normal, and even if it does go away it may indicate problems down the road. Something is NOT right. My ST50 has never given off an odor, much less one that varies with contrast level and can be smelled in an adjacent room.
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OK then, I'll probably return it sooner rather than later.

I'm debating whether to get the 55 VT instead, is it really worth the upgrade in terms of IQ? I feel the image is very good on the GT and I'm not an extreme videophile. I might like the 96khz mode though if it improved IQ on blue ray.
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OK then, I'll probably return it sooner rather than later.

I'm debating whether to get the 55 VT instead, is it really worth the upgrade in terms of IQ?

Having no direct experience with the VT50 that's a question I can't answer. From all that I've read through the main thing it provides over the ST/GT are its calibration controls and design. Calibrated PQ is reported to be very, very close on all the 2012 Pannys. For me the question boiled down to bang-for-the-buck, and I ended up with the 55" ST50 because the VT wasn't worth an extra $1000 for the same screen real estate.
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OK then, I'll probably return it sooner rather than later.

I'm debating whether to get the 55 VT instead, is it really worth the upgrade in terms of IQ? I feel the image is very good on the GT and I'm not an extreme videophile. I might like the 96khz mode though if it improved IQ on blue ray.

I have no odor, and I am picky about that too. Sounds like you just got unlucky, I would return it and not have regrets later especially if it's considered not a warranty issue.

As for 24 on 48 or 60, I saw no difference when changing it on the Puss n Boots BD. Maybe on live people video it will be noticeable as some of stated. So with at least three now saying it looks great on 60Hz I don't see that alone as worth the huge price difference. I would have never known of the difference in settings had I not read this forum.
Now if there are other features you also like about the VT line, then it might be worth the price difference for multiple features like CMS and 10 point white balance (I don't even know what that is!!). I would bet most people will not see a difference between a GT50 and VT50 image quality.
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I am trying to pick betwwen the vt and the gt any thing that i see that would make the different is the 24fps in 72 but i don;t know it it readly make a different in pq
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Not sure if relevant but here goes:

My dad bought a LG LM7600 LED TV from Best Buy about five weeks ago but was never happy with the TV. He's seen my 60ST50 and wants to go plasma but is concerned he's past the return period. He'd like the GT series and yes, he did purchase the extended warranty.

Anyone have any ideas that might help remedy the situation? He spent about $3400 to get the TV, the sound bar, the warranty, and twelve sets of 3d glasses. He hasn't been able to sit since.

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Last week Chris from Cleveland Plasma called and asked, How would you like to come over and check out the new GT50? Looks like I could even get a Samsung E8000 series plasma in for a face off! Remembering how impressed I was with Panasonic's ST50 just a short time ago and how last year's top Panasonic and Samsung plasmas had such a competitive race, I didn't take to long to think that one through. Before I knew it, I was making the drive up to Cleveland.

The GT50, like the ST50, has an excellent ability to soak up ambient light and preserve contrast in normal lighting. Even with bright lights on, reflections were very muted with the TV powered off, and the screen stayed commendably dark. If your spouse insists on turning the overhead light on while watching TV, as my wife does, the GT50 just may help keep peace and sanity in your home.

The feature list includes a built in wireless adapter, and the GT50 updated it's firmware from 1.03 to 1.08 after setting up the network connection. I was pleased to see THX Cinema and THX Bright Room picture modes, and 3D mode had a THX3D Cinema picture mode in addition to the common Standard, Vivid, Cinema, Game, and Custom modes.

Before calibration:

Unfortunately for many less technically inclined owners, the GT50, after initial setup, reverts to one of it's least attractive picture modes: Standard. The image was very muted and dim in this state, and, while there was a decent sense of depth to the image, the picture was totally lacking in excitement. Flesh tones were on the ruddy side, though I was pleasantly surprised that they were not screaming red fireballs as I have seen in the past in this mode. Pans and motion were too smooth with 1080P/24 Blu Ray content.

Switching to Cinema brought relief, though a slightly greenish tinge plagued the picture.

THX Cinema looked fairly similar to Cinema, though THX brought a slight increase in sharpness and pop over Cinema mode. Blacks were excellent, often blending into the bezel even in a fairly dark environment, though fades to black still did not match that of the 9G Kuro. Color shades still didn't look spot on, but overall, THX Cinema gave a very impressive picture. Skin tones were fairly natural, and dark images did not sink down into black. In fact, shadow detail seemed to be handled very well in this mode, looking well balanced and with a good amount of detail visible. The Dark Knight looked stunning, with tons of pop and detail. Despite some lingering questions about subtle color shades, THX Cinema mode came very close to the best out of the box performance I've seen on a television, and it let the GT50's excellent qualities shine through.

THX Bright Room was very impressive. It brought out shadow detail while keeping the blacks dark and whites bright. With the lights on, the image had plenty of pizzazz, and the tuning seemed well suited to it's intended use in bright rooms. On the downside, there appeared to be some added graininess in many scenes which robbed the image of some naturalness. Colors looked good, though they lacked a bit of richness. At times, it seemed that there was something a bit unnatural in the highlights of brightly lit faces. However, despite these criticisms, THX Bright Room did it's job, giving people who value accuracy a good looking mode for bright viewing.

Custom mode looked impressive at first glance, though shadow detail was lacking and the picture looked too garish and enhanced overall.

Calibration:

Minimum Luminance Level measured .0053 fL. The modified ANSI contrast was 5371:1, with white measuring an impressive 33.3 fL and black .0062 fL.
Maximum light output with a full white field was between 20.36 and 21 fL depending on the picture mode, and a 100% white field shifted slightly warm (+4% R, -6% B) in comparison with a small window of the same intensity. All this means that the GT50 is able to keep larger areas of the screen brighter and with less serious color shift than most plasmas.
Initially both THX Cinema and Custom mode were calibrated, but after evaluation THX was chosen to be the reference mode. Either mode would be a good candidate for calibration.
The Dynamic Brightness torture test on the AVS 709 disc showed noticeable fluctuation, but I have not done this test on enough plasmas to comment on how this result compares.
The light output from Custom and THX Bright Room modes were astonishingly high; they are the highest numbers I ever remember measuring on a plasma!
Difference in measurements between small 10% size window and larger 25% window was very slight.

The ChromaPure Advanced Color Management measurements were run in calibrated THX mode; the results were impressive with no strange behavior and nearly all dE below 2. This means that colors will be accurate no matter what shade of purity or intensity.

After calibration:

One of the GT50's main strengths is it's excellent contrast, which when combined with the strong light output gives an image with extraordinary pop. Images with a mixture of bright and dark objects have a depth and liveliness that is seldom seen in other plasmas. Disregarding the flickery 48 Hz mode, the GT50 had great motion when fed a 1080P/24 source. No, it was not displayed at a multiple of 24; but most people would be hard pressed to tell, including yours truly. Movie pans were not too choppy or too smooth; they just looked right. Shadow detail was very good in THX mode before calibration, and after calibration they were even more neutral. Despite the low gamma coming out of black, dark objects did not look washed out in the least. The picture appeared stable, with no visible pumping or fluctuation. I saw no signs of the Dirty Screen Effect and whites were brighter and purer than on most plasmas.
In a few fleeting moments I got the impression that the brightness layering in brightly lit faces and clouds was not quite right, but it was more an occasional impression than a real problem. Colors and skin tones were excellent; easy on the eyes but accurate and realistic.

THX Bright Room looked great with the lights on, though it lacked the depth and richness of THX Cinema in a dark room. Combined with the GT50's light sponge of a screen filter, THX Bright Room makes the GT50 the best plasma for brighter environments that I have ever seen, by far.

The GT50 is an outstanding plasma that looks simply amazing in anything from dark theater rooms to average living rooms. The colors and contrast are extremely satisfying and put the GT50 among the top tier of all displays.

Shootout with Samsung D8000 plasma to come!


Face off: GT50 vs. E8000


Contrast was reduced in the GT50's THX Cinema mode to match the light output of the E8000 in Movie mode. Sources included 1080P/24 Blu Ray and 1080i DirecTV. Cinema Smooth was turned on in the E8000.

Lights on, TV off:

GT50 is slightly better at reducing reflections. Both stay quite dark, but the GT50 is slightly better in that regard.

Lights off, Blu Ray:
Black levels are more similar than different, though the GT50 is darker by a hair. Certain times the black difference is more easily seen that other times.
E8000's overall presentation is a bit more earthy-toned, giving it a slightly more cinematic feel as opposed to the GT50's video feel.
Though the measurements would suggest a large difference in shadow detail, with real content the difference is extremely slim, with the GT50 just barely coming out of black faster. I have to look for the difference, but there's a little more texture visible in dark clothes and objects on the GT50. The E8000 is actually more accurate in that regard, but many people like a bit of extra shadow detail.
Sometimes skin tones are just a tiny bit less red on the E8000. Usually the difference is slight. However, in the Digital Video Essentials Restaurant scene, the difference is more pronounced. I feel the E8000's skin tones look more true to life in this clip.
The E8000 handles texture and layering in brightly lit faces and other very bright objects more naturally at times.
The GT50 has a tiny bit more pop in bright scenes, with whites looking a bit brighter. Whites can take on a slightly bluish and/or violet hue on the GT50, in comparison to the E8000's slightly duller, greener toned whites.
Both have excellent depth.
I can see just a bit more fluctuation in the E8000's image.
Overall presentation is just a bit more lifelike on the E8000 as opposed to more enhanced looking on the GT50.

Lights off, 1080i DirecTV:
Fades to black a are little better on the GT50. Hockey rink looks far more realistic on GT50, with brighter, purer whites. Neither shows much Dirty Screen Effect on hockey with movement and pans, but the GT50 shows more ice texture. A few fleeting times I thought I saw slight DSE, but I might have been looking too hard for it. Neither set fluctuates too much, both are seemingly stable.
The E8000's skin tones can be a bit greenish, or the GT50's skin tones can be a bit reddish, depending on the programming.

Conclusion: The E8000 is my preference by a nose for Blu Ray movies played in light controlled environments, with a slightly more cinematic, relaxed, and lifelike image. However, in other instances the GT50 is a very clear winner: viewing in typical living room lighting is much better on the GT50, as is hockey.

Chad, I just did a side by side comparison of the 50''GT50 and the 51''E8000 in a magnolia room at BB. It was a controlled lighting room, and i put both tv's in Movie and/or Cinema THX mode. While the black level was noticeable better on the GT50, the E8000 had less noise than the GT50. The E8000 also looked sharper and crisper. The clerk at BB said that the reason the GT looked a bit less clear was because the signals being feed to the TV's were not of equal quality.

I realize that stores are far from an ideal way to make accurate judgements on PQ but during your side by side comparison did you notice a difference in image clarity or crispness between the E8000 and the GT50?
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Does anyone else have a panel that tilts slightly to one side while in the stand?

Ceva delivered and set it up for me. We took it down and tried to hold the panel level while the screws were being tightened but it didn't work.

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Does anyone else have a panel that tilts slightly to one side while in the stand?

Ceva delivered and set it up for me. We took it down and tried to hold the panel level while the screws were being tightened but it didn't work.

Yes. My 60st50 is slightly higher on the right side

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Yes. My 60st50 is slightly higher on the right side

Mine is about 1/8" higher on the right too.

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Does anyone else have a panel that tilts slightly to one side while in the stand?

Ceva delivered and set it up for me. We took it down and tried to hold the panel level while the screws were being tightened but it didn't work.

The tv was assembled by a gang member while in prison and appears to suffer from "gangsta" lean.
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Mine is about 1/8" higher on the right too.

We measured the base portion there's a metal horseshoe like piece that the panel rests on and that is off on one side by 1/8" inch.

I'm not really happy about this. I wanted to check with you all to see whether it's common, if it is then an exchange wouldn't be very productive.

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The tv was assembled by a gang member while in prison and appears to suffer from "gangsta" lean.

Shirley... I mean surely.

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We measured the base portion there's a metal horseshoe like piece that the panel rests on and that is off on one side by 1/8" inch.

I'm not really happy about this. I wanted to check with you all to see whether it's common, if it is then an exchange wouldn't be very productive.

I definitely consider it a problem, but its going back next week for another reason. Im going with a 65VT50

consider the source
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I definitely consider it a problem, but its going back next week for another reason. Im going with a 65VT50

Good luck.

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Chad, I just did a side by side comparison of the 50''GT50 and the 51''E8000 in a magnolia room at BB. It was a controlled lighting room, and i put both tv's in Movie and/or Cinema THX mode. While the black level was noticeable better on the GT50, the E8000 had less noise than the GT50. The E8000 also looked sharper and crisper. The clerk at BB said that the reason the GT looked a bit less clear was because the signals being feed to the TV's were not of equal quality.

I realize that stores are far from an ideal way to make accurate judgements on PQ but during your side by side comparison did you notice a difference in image clarity or crispness between the E8000 and the GT50?

No, any differences I noted in the face off.
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Can anybody here who owns this set confirm if the ST50/GT50 will send 5.1 DTS through either the ARC HDMI port and/or optical cable to my receiver when playing an mkv with 5.1 DTS with its built-in media player? I've read conflicting statements about this.

The built in DLNA media player will not recognize DTS audio. When playing mkv files with DTS, the video will play, but it will give a "audio not recognized" message. You can convert the audio on these files to AC3 5.1 using Popcorn MKV, works great.
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We measured the base portion there's a metal horseshoe like piece that the panel rests on and that is off on one side by 1/8" inch.

I'm not really happy about this. I wanted to check with you all to see whether it's common, if it is then an exchange wouldn't be very productive.

That sounds like a clear manufacturing defect, have you tried contacting Panasonic directly? You might have to wade through a few levels of customer service and deal with some denial or disbelief but if you can prove it's a defect I would hope they will do the right thing and replace it.
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