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post #601 of 9821 Old 04-24-2012, 09:39 PM
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Yea, I am one of the mutants, the misguided, the unfortunates who need to ask about the "built-in" sound on the GT models. That's right. I am pathetic enough to admit that I am considering...that's right...using ONLY the speakers on the television. Now that all of you are holding your faces as in the painting "The scream," shake it off and tell me if Panasonic actually made any improvement with their advertised built-in speakers. This would "only" be a bedroom unit, 50" (justifies his lameness by making excuse that it is only bedroom unit) so I am not going to utilize a "real" sound system (wondering if anyone will actually BELIEVE this)....
I asked this question some time back (perhaps I am not getting any respect due to admission that I intend to ACTUALLY use only the built-in speakers), but "I REFUSE TO BE IGNORED."
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^^ If you continue to be ignored, or just plain give in to your shame, I recently helped a friend with a Panasonic soundbar for her G25 and I was actually impressed. Viera link makes the combo that much better. Sorry, on my smartphone at the moment and too lazy to lookup the part #

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...tell me if Panasonic actually made any improvement with their advertised built-in speakers.

Are the 2012 Panasonic displays thicker than the 2011 models? If not, the answer, based on basic physics, is no. Speakers move air. As those speakers get smaller they move less air. Tweeters don't count because the human voice doesn't go that high.
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Yea, I am one of the mutants, the misguided, the unfortunates who need to ask about the "built-in" sound on the GT models. That's right. I am pathetic enough to admit that I am considering...that's right...using ONLY the speakers on the television. Now that all of you are holding your faces as in the painting "The scream," shake it off and tell me if Panasonic actually made any improvement with their advertised built-in speakers. This would "only" be a bedroom unit, 50" (justifies his lameness by making excuse that it is only bedroom unit) so I am not going to utilize a "real" sound system (wondering if anyone will actually BELIEVE this)....
I asked this question some time back (perhaps I am not getting any respect due to admission that I intend to ACTUALLY use only the built-in speakers), but "I REFUSE TO BE IGNORED."

Don't feel ashamed about using the built-in speakers. I use mine all the time, even though I have an awesome Yamaha receiver. I live in an apartment building, so during the day on weekends I can turn up my receiver a bit and enjoy surround, but during the late evenings and night, there's no way I can use my surround - I tried it once and got a knock on the door at 9:15 pm, so I often rely on the tv speakers at night so I can keep my apartment.

Many people don't realize how useful those built-in speakers can be in situations like that. Not everybody can crank up their receiver full-blast day and night.
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Yea, I am one of the mutants, the misguided, the unfortunates who need to ask about the "built-in" sound on the GT models. That's right. I am pathetic enough to admit that I am considering...that's right...using ONLY the speakers on the television. Now that all of you are holding your faces as in the painting "The scream," shake it off and tell me if Panasonic actually made any improvement with their advertised built-in speakers. This would "only" be a bedroom unit, 50" (justifies his lameness by making excuse that it is only bedroom unit) so I am not going to utilize a "real" sound system (wondering if anyone will actually BELIEVE this)....
I asked this question some time back (perhaps I am not getting any respect due to admission that I intend to ACTUALLY use only the built-in speakers), but "I REFUSE TO BE IGNORED."

On my last years 50" Panasonic which I have in my study I was unable to get a sound bar due to space restrictions and have used the built in speakers for the last year and would say that even though I would have preferred to have a sound bar I find them to be very adequate. I doubt if there is much change in this years models. Just my personal observation.
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Don't feel ashamed about using the built-in speakers. I use mine all the time, even though I have an awesome Yamaha receiver. I live in an apartment building, so during the day on weekends I can turn up my receiver a bit and enjoy surround, but during the late evenings and night, there's no way I can use my surround - I tried it once and got a knock on the door at 9:15 pm, so I often rely on the tv speakers at night so I can keep my apartment.

Many people don't realize how useful those built-in speakers can be in situations like that. Not everybody can crank up their receiver full-blast day and night.

I am amazed at how adaptable the human brain can be. I recall a time in the late 1970's when I was having a great time hanging out with four other guys watching the World Series. And it was on one of those portable television sets with a nine inch screen.

I cannot comment on this television but my G10 has great built-in sound for the shows I watch. I rarely get immersed in big movies just short intervals like Colbert Report or The Killing but I admire a nice picture.
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That sounds like a clear manufacturing defect, have you tried contacting Panasonic directly? You might have to wade through a few levels of customer service and deal with some denial or disbelief but if you can prove it's a defect I would hope they will do the right thing and replace it.

I bought through Amazon and so exchanging it is almost as easy as changing my socks.

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Yea, I am one of the mutants, the misguided, the unfortunates who need to ask about the "built-in" sound on the GT models. That's right. I am pathetic enough to admit that I am considering...that's right...using ONLY the speakers on the television. Now that all of you are holding your faces as in the painting "The scream," shake it off and tell me if Panasonic actually made any improvement with their advertised built-in speakers. This would "only" be a bedroom unit, 50" (justifies his lameness by making excuse that it is only bedroom unit) so I am not going to utilize a "real" sound system (wondering if anyone will actually BELIEVE this)....
I asked this question some time back (perhaps I am not getting any respect due to admission that I intend to ACTUALLY use only the built-in speakers), but "I REFUSE TO BE IGNORED."


I have a G25 and received the GT50 yesterday. I watch tv using the internal speakers and use my avr for movies.

The sound of the GT50 is different but not what I would call bad. It sounds like the old jvc boom box with the hyper bass turned off. The bass, even after adjustment, is lacking and the overall sound is more plastic than my G25 which is much more full. Audio is able to get very loud, it's clear and adjustments can be made.

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The sound of the GT50 is different but not what I would call bad....Audio is able to get very loud, it's clear and adjustments can be made.

I just had a 55GT50 delivered this morning and would say the same. I was expecting far worse and am pleasantly surprised. This set is replacing an old Sony XBR CRT with side-mounted front-facing speakers and I was hoping the built-in audio on the GT50 would suffice for casual TV watching (specifically for my wife who is technically challenged and has a hard time changing channels, let alone messing with the AVR controls). After spending a short time playing with it before firing up the D-Nice slides, I think I'll be more than happy with it.
Then again, everyone's ear is different and YMMV.
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Hey thanks for the responses on the sound. One of the reasons I ask is that Panasonic went to some lengths to hype not only their new picture quality, but made a deal of the "new and improved" sound system (some R&D fancy name for many flat speakers incl a "sub-woofer." Well, god to hear that it sounds all right for some basic programming and actually can be played fairly loudly without distortion is what I am gleaning. So thanks. Any other thoughts? I will look into a soundbar, which might raise the sound quality, what? Maybe 15% or so?
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Are the 2012 Panasonic displays thicker than the 2011 models? If not, the answer, based on basic physics, is no. Speakers move air. As those speakers get smaller they move less air. Tweeters don't count because the human voice doesn't go that high.

Panasonic has a new 8-train speaker design that supposedly sounds better than last year's models. People who have compared them say that it is indeed better (including D-Nice).
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Panasonic has a new 8-train speaker design that supposedly sounds better than last year's models. People who have compared them say that it is indeed better (including D-Nice).

What is an 8-train design? Is that something like the bar speakers where the drivers are all abut one inch in diameter?

The only thing I would ask from TV speakers is that speech is mostly understandable. Our 4.5 year old display has never had it's speakers attached. They would probably be better than the current TV speakers in the market simply because they are bigger and would, if attached, point at the listener, not the floor.

I don't know what D-Nice uses at home, but he has so many Kuro displays he must be using some of them with their own speakers.
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For me the speakers in the gt50 are okay there definately not bad but okay i also use an av receiver and speakers for the majority of the time but the sound from the tv isn't bad. I do think however the 8 train speaker and sub that panasonic promote is hyped up a little bit i haven't really experienced any bass on mine but the volume can go quite loud.

Now the previous 32" philips lcd i brought for my gf had incredible sound quality it had a rear firing woofer on the back and speakers on the front and that could pump out some pretty deep bass for a tv and i was hoping that the new speakers and sub in the gt50 would sound pretty much similar to that.

But hey the sound quality is sufficient if you don't own a sound system and acceptable for day to day viewing hope this helps.
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Mine is about 1/8" higher on the right too.

Just let your tailor know and he can make an adjustment.
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I just had a 55GT50 delivered this morning and would say the same. I was expecting far worse and am pleasantly surprised. This set is replacing an old Sony XBR CRT with side-mounted front-facing speakers and I was hoping the built-in audio on the GT50 would suffice for casual TV watching (specifically for my wife who is technically challenged and has a hard time changing channels, let alone messing with the AVR controls). After spending a short time playing with it before firing up the D-Nice slides, I think I'll be more than happy with it.
Then again, everyone's ear is different and YMMV.

I changed a setting in the advanced audio and it sounds a little better. It's the one for distance from the wall. Although my tv is not mounted it is pretty close to the wall. The suggestions below the optional settings recommend farther than one foot for those not mounted which is what I selected initially but now that I changed is and upped the treble it sounds a bit better to me.

It's nice that audio has multiple adjustments available.

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Just let your tailor know and he can make an adjustment.

Or I could just tilt my head a bit or saw off 1/8" the legs of one side of the sofa.

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Really! You are talking about speakers on a plasma..
If You care about sound get a HTIB
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I read the specs on the European models and they have DVR function (HDD through USB). Can anybody tell me how good and how it works ? I have a son who lives in France and will give him a new plasma next month. Thanks.

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Really! You are talking about speakers on a plasma..
If You care about sound get a HTIB

Oh please.

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Maybe not be sarcastic; maybe help poster do the best they can do w/in budget and space and WAF/SAF/SOAF (just to be PC) constraints. I can't do that. But I did just get some Aperion GV bookshelves based on internet reviews for my kitchen. The are decently small but get good reviews. I haven't heard them, but look forward to trying them out. Tried Ascend in my last generation of speakers. Yes good. Maybe the poster could try the 170s in this line. Lots of mini systems from Hsu, SVS, others. Surely better than most HTIB - from what I gather, not from what I know. But l don't how far the poster can dig, or if they care to dig to the next level. But it is clear that some HTIBs (such as Bose) are NOT worth it, bang for buck wise. Even if they may be a step up in some ways from the current situation.
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If You care about sound get a HTIB

Errr, people who "care about sound" would never settle for an HTIB.

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htwaits, that's my problem as well. I have a G25 and the speakers are great, but somehow dialog sucks. It's muddy, weak and sometimes unintelligible. I put a 3.1 sound in my bedroom to make up for it.

I would say that the addition of Panasonic soundbar on my friend's set was more like a 215% improvement over the default speakers of her S30. Big difference.

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I have a G25 and the speakers are great, but somehow dialog sucks. It's muddy, weak and sometimes unintelligible.

Can both of those statements be true?
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I just got my unit today, but I can't seem to connect to the internet with it.

I tried both wired, and wireless with no luck. Any ideas?

Oh using Verizon Fios.
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^^ If you continue to be ignored, or just plain give in to your shame, I recently helped a friend with a Panasonic soundbar for her G25 and I was actually impressed. Viera link makes the combo that much better. Sorry, on my smartphone at the moment and too lazy to lookup the part #

Be careful with buying a soundbar if you're a gamer. I've used a few of them, including one of the most praised ones on AVS, and they all had lag through optical cables.
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I just got my unit today, but I can't seem to connect to the internet with it. I tried both wired, and wireless with no luck. Any ideas? Oh using Verizon Fios.

Is your network password protected? And if so, is your password case-sensitive? If yes and yes, be sure that you enter the same upper case/lower case password on the TV.

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Trying to decide what to do about the buzz on my 55gt50 and am looking to input.

I sit about 7 ft away from the screen and without audio I can very clearly hear the buzz on white or mostly white screens. This is quite distracting in a quiet room when using a web browser and is made worse by the changing noise level as content changes. I have also noticed it while watching TV with sound coming through my surround system.

My floors are hardwood which I'm assuming doesn't help. So should I swap it for a replacement? Call Panasonic and deal with them?

Will the buzz be reduced with time?
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Hi all
New 50GT50 owner and very happy so far! (1 week's worth)
Does anyone successfully use Viera Link with an Onkyo receiver?
I get 'Feature not available' when selecting Viera Tools -> Viera Link, and the TV remote does not control my NR709's volume anymore.

I've also asked in the Onkyo 709 thread because not sure if it's a TV or receiver issue.

Viera Link is on and RIHD is on, I have tried turn off/on again.

If anyone has any suggestions or has this issue or has resolved it please post!
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