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It has better video processing, it has 3d, it has internet connectivity, as well as a boat load of other features. Why can people consider the Kuro a better tv?
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It has better video processing, it has 3d, it has internet connectivity, as well as a boat load of other features. Why can people consider the Kuro a better tv?

First you have to define "better". Be specific

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It has better video processing,

Really? How? Its does 1080 lines of resolution for motion where a Kuro does in the mid 900s. That's all I know of.

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it has 3d, it has internet connectivity, as well as a boat load of other features.

Features are subjective. These will be one man's gold while it will be another man's junk.
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Features of the tv do not add to the picture quality.
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Features of the tv do not add to the picture quality.

Very true. It might end up being better, but doubtful.

The Sharp elite is better than both of them though.
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It has better video processing, it has 3d, it has internet connectivity, as well as a boat load of other features. Why can people consider the Kuro a better tv?

I've seen both and the PQ on the Panasonic still looks second rate. I never felt a "WOW" factor with the panasonic.
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I've seen both and the PQ on the Panasonic still looks second rate. I never felt a "WOW" factor with the panasonic.

You've seen the VT50 already? I wouldn't classify the GT30 or VT30 as second rate. Were they on par with the Pioneer Elite? no...but you can't buy a Pioneer Elite anymore (except a few used ones floating around). The VT30 was on par with the 5010, which was still a damn impressive set.
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The Sharp elite is better than both of them though.

Not sure how something that has color issues is better than a Panasonic or Pioneer.
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We still have a non-Elite Pioneer (5020) in the breakroom at work and I have to say it still looks better to me than any TV on the floor, and it isn't even calibrated. I did get to watch the PN64E8000 in the dark today and it was pretty damn impressive as far as blacks go, so hopes are high for the VT50.

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The Sharp elite is better than both of them though.

Your opinion but i don't see what the hype is about with that TV. It's no kuro and should not be called an elite.

l think the hype got to everyone, including "reviewers."

Not better by a long, long, long shot.

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review of the UK 50VT50 by david mackenzie from HDTVtest
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1204101757.htm
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Your opinion but i don't see what the hype is about with that TV. It's no kuro and should not be called an elite.

l think the hype got to everyone, including "reviewers."

Not better by a long, long, long shot.

I agree. After seeing it on display, I found it to have a nice picture, but I wasn't overly impressed. As far as the VT50 is considered, I think we may be seeing some of the Pioneer tech spill over into the new series, however, keep in mind that getting these sets to Kuro levels can be foreseen, but a lower cost factor has to weigh in before it can be achieved.


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The Sharp elite is better than both of them though.

Sure, as long as you sit smack dab in the middle and don't ever move.

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sure, as long as you sit smack dab in the middle and don't ever move.

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It's not even better in the 'sweet spot'.
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It's not even better in the 'sweet spot'.

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Hmmm...what happens to the SHARP ELITE if Best Buy goes under!



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It's not even better in the 'sweet spot'.

I only have experience with one of the 3, the Pioneer, but from what I have seen it is cleary better in the sweet spot and decent in off angle viewing. I guess if you want to watch it sideways the plasma's would beat it.
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It may be better to your eyes, but it has color issues as D-Nice said.
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It's not even better in the 'sweet spot'.

Yeah, just like the ST30 is not as good as the ST50! Where have you been living?
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review of the UK 50VT50 by david mackenzie from HDTVtest
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1204101757.htm

No offense, but I prefer Chad B or D-Nice's review......of course the VT50's are not out in the US so we will have to wait !
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Not sure how something that has color issues is better than a Panasonic or Pioneer.

I agree, and it's not just the infamous Cyan bug. The Elite's color can look very good, no doubt about it; but there's some subtle (or maybe not so subtle, depending on your perception and calibration) inaccuracies there.

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No offense, but I prefer Chad B or D-Nice's review......of course the VT50's are not out in the US so we will have to wait !

I respect David Mackenzie's reviews as well. Problem for many of us is, they're of the EU models.
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Hmmm...what happens to the SHARP ELITE if Best Buy goes under!



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Could be a double whammy, with Sharp looking to be on the rocks as well. How bout dat recovery?!
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Here is the VT50 review from April 10:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panas...1204101757.htm
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I agree- a Sharp Elite is no Kuro.. I am in no way as technically savvy as many on this board are- but I can clearly see things in the Sharp Elite that I have never seen in my PRO-111. From HD tv content I noticed pixalization especially around faces and mouths, Lack of edge detail, and during fast movement of hands during a cooking show and longer kicks of the ball during soccer- there is definately motion blur.. All from my seat in the 'sweet spot'!
For what it is worth, there was a 65"xbr 929 right next to it- and yes the Sharp did a better overall job than the Sony with blacks and grayscale overall. Are both really good LED LCDs- yeah I would agree to that- are they at the same level as a Kuro? Try watching a Kuro for a few thousand hours and then go see what u think? You'll answer that question in less than a few moments..I'm hoping the VT50 is close - cause I need a bigger tv!!!
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Pixelation are mostly from the source. If you se pixelation with other sources, like dvd, or Blu-ray, it is most certainly from noice reduction. Just turn all of them to "off" in the picture menu.
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I have always wondered what IS so great about the 9G Kuros? Now seems to be the perfect time to ask. I mean I keep reading that the black levels are insanely low, but there must be more than just that? This is the first time I've read that the moving resolution was 900+ lines.

I have heard people tell me their 720p Pioneer looks "better" than the TVs today. I find that very very hard to believe. The Samsung E8000 looks absolutely amazing to me, and I've been a fan of the last few VTs. The Sharp Elite I am not a fan of at all, I tried to be unbiased but I just don't get it. I must assume that with a calibration the TV really blows you away, or those who have it just refuse to admit they overpaid for the return of the name "Elite".

I have no access to a Kuro to view a movie on it, everyone I know was scared of plasmas (or the price) back when they were available. Please clue me in on what else is unmatched with today's TVs.

Is it just simply TV prices, thickness, and energy consumption had to move down?

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I have always wondered what IS so great about the 9G Kuros? Now seems to be the perfect time to ask. I mean I keep reading that the black levels are insanely low, but there must be more than just that? This is the first time I've read that the moving resolution was 900+ lines.

I have heard people tell me their 720p Pioneer looks "better" than the TVs today. I find that very very hard to believe. The Samsung E8000 looks absolutely amazing to me, and I've been a fan of the last few VTs. The Sharp Elite I am not a fan of at all, I tried to be unbiased but I just don't get it. I must assume that with a calibration the TV really blows you away, or those who have it just refuse to admit they overpaid for the return of the name "Elite".

I have no access to a Kuro to view a movie on it, everyone I know was scared of plasmas (or the price) back when they were available. Please clue me in on what else is unmatched with today's TVs.

Is it just simply TV prices, thickness, and energy consumption had to move down?

I've got a 5080HD KURO (720p) and it kills most sets on the market today. Deep blacks, good enough whites, high dynamic range, excellent processing results in little noise/artifacting, excellent motion handling.

There's a few sets as good or better...I had an XBR 929 here just a week ago, returned it after a few days because it simply could not compete with most content.
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I have always wondered what IS so great about the 9G Kuros? Now seems to be the perfect time to ask. I mean I keep reading that the black levels are insanely low, but there must be more than just that? This is the first time I've read that the moving resolution was 900+ lines.

I have heard people tell me their 720p Pioneer looks "better" than the TVs today. I find that very very hard to believe. The Samsung E8000 looks absolutely amazing to me, and I've been a fan of the last few VTs. The Sharp Elite I am not a fan of at all, I tried to be unbiased but I just don't get it. I must assume that with a calibration the TV really blows you away, or those who have it just refuse to admit they overpaid for the return of the name "Elite".

I have no access to a Kuro to view a movie on it, everyone I know was scared of plasmas (or the price) back when they were available. Please clue me in on what else is unmatched with today's TVs.

Is it just simply TV prices, thickness, and energy consumption had to move down?

I own a krp500m and it's just flat out an amazing display. Yes the blacks are very deep and the contrast(pop) is just off the charts. I don't see how a set can have more depth to the picture than this. I owned a Sony sxrd 50A3000 a few years back and it was an excellent set, but the kuro made it just look flat in comparison. It handles motion well and there is no content that it doesn't handle with pure grace. Whether it's direct tv, gaming, netfilx, and these babies were made for bluray period. They are great out of the box, but having them calibrated takes them to another level. It's just really excels in everything you want it to do, that's the best way I can describe it. Very natural cinematic look to the picture that I love as well.
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