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http://www.techlal.com/lg-launches-t...lasma-and-led/
"This new technology is present in the PM9700 TV, presented by LG this week. The PLED (Pixel Light Emitting Display ) was first seen at CES 2012 and now reaches the market as a commercial product. The technology adopted by the PLED using a new lighting system that projects the light in each pixel of the screen, so dedicated and individual, not on the screen all through the backlight system, as we have both screens on the market . Effectively, a PLED display is able to illuminate approximately 6.2 million pixels independently.

The result of this application are the purest images with colors closer to the original, and with a deeper black color. In terms of coloring, the system has a level of fidelity 95% higher than the standard RGB (red-green-blue), and its speed image processing is 600 MHz, much higher than we have today on the LED screens . According to LG itself, the main advantage of PLED technology is its energy consumption, which promises to be much smaller than Plasma screens on the market."


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Is this like "pleather"? lol

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Is this like "pleather"? lol

You may be on to something.

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I assumed this was an April Fool's joke.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working.
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I assumed this was an April Fool's joke.

Afraid not.
http://www.lg.com/es/tv-audio-video/...d-60PM9700.jsp
PLED, 60'', Full HD, 3D Active, Smart TV, 600Hz
LG's exclusive technology combines the best of Plasma and LED to get the perfect picture and perfect viewing with frame Slim. Use of 6 million pixels of the screen completely independently for separately controlling the brightness of each one of them. Enjoy maximum color reproduction and true black with a high energy efficiency thanks to triple XD Engine image processor and dual core processor. Its 600Hz let you play 600 images per second, reduces image blur and trails. In addition, the Smart TV with free navigation system flash 10.0, applications and variety of available content and interactive command Control Magic will ensure the best experience Smart TV.

http://www.lg.com/es/tv-audio-video/...sion/index.jsp

Odd that it's only listed on LG's Spanish site though.

LG did keep a low profile on this years plasmas so maybe they indeed keep something up their sleeve, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough though.

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http://www.lg.com/es/tv-audio-video/...d-60PM9700.jsp
"TruBlack Filter

Make the black level is truly black. TruBlack Filter technology absorbs external light, reducing glare and increasing the brightness of the panel. This will get to see more details in dark areas and more vibrant color. It also has the Super Black Panel, which enhances and improves the black levels by 40%"

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This sounds an awful lot like Sony's "Crystal LED". In other words, use traditional crystalline LEDs instead of organic LEDs. The only relation to plasma that I can think of would be the fact that it's self-emissive technology, and "black" is simply off, which is the real benefit.

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so is this theoretically an led backlit by an incredible amount of leds?
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So is there going to be an official thread in both plasma and LCD sections????

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so is this theoretically an led backlit by an incredible amount of leds?

Well not exactly. Each sub pixel would be its own individual LED. There would be no BACKlight. Just an array of LEDs, much like Plasma is an array of subpixels made up of phosphors that ignite into a "plasma".

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Looks like the Spanish marketing for OLED will be PLED. Seriously, that's all this is: OLED. Not that OLED is anything to scoff at-- but we already knew this was on the way.

EDIT: fatuglyguy nailed this one. LG is re-marketing plasma!

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The Spanish LG website lists the PM9700 plasma as a PLED. The US site does not. I'm assuming LG is just using it as a clever new way to market plasmas with an advanced AR filter. Technically a plasma emits light at the pixel level, thus "Pixel Light Emitting Display.". Actually pretty smart of them. Much ado about nothing.

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Until someone can purchase one of these and take it apart and look at it, we aren't going to know what it is. LG is clearly describing it in "marketing speak".

1) If they are just marketing a plasma tv as a hybrid between led and plasma -- I wouldn't call that smart, I'd call it deceptive.
2) If it is their version of OLED and they have decided to call it PLED, that is fine.
3) If they are marketing two different tvs under the same model number, one in the US and the other everywhere else -- it is odd, confusing, and mostly stupid.

It seems time is the only thing that's going to resolve any of this.

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We know it’s a plasma with a matte screen but what’s with the reference to LED, wish-full thinking would lead us to believe they’ve advanced on the all all-cell initialization required for charging the plasma panel but that would all be all under the radar.
I’d have agree it’s just “a clever new way to market plasmas with an advanced AR filter”.

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More, http://gadgetznews.com/lg-tv-pled-lg...t-tv-pled.html although they make reference to "a new proprietary technology called PLED."


"LG TV PLED – LG launches its first TV PLED
Posted on March 29, 2012 by admin

LG TV PLED – As if that were not enough for some to decide between Plasma, LED and recent, expensive OLED, LG adds even more difficult to decide which TV to buy with the launch of a new proprietary technology called PLED.

Although termed as the platform PLED LG has nothing to do with the OLED polymer, but with the initials Pixel Light Emitting Display and it is a hybrid of technologies Plasma and LED aimed at getting the best of both worlds.

The PLED require no backlighting, but each pixel emits its own light. Each television PLED is 6,220,800 points of light, ie, 32,000 times more than one LED. LG officials said, the brightness of these teams equals 1,500 candelas per square meter."


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The Spanish LG website lists the PM9700 plasma as a PLED. The US site does not. I'm assuming LG is just using it as a clever new way to market plasmas with an advanced AR filter.

Looks like they applied for a US Trademark patent #85023082 back in April 2010 for PLED branding, nothing on new technology though, the patent just went through April this year so we may see the PM9700 plasma re-listed soon as PLEDs here in North America.
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could the backlight now be a plasma panel? front lcd lit with 6 million zones of plasma light?

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could the backlight now be a plasma panel? front lcd lit with 6 million zones of plasma light?

My guess is that it's their regular plasma panel but mated to a matte non-reflective glass front as shown at CES, it's all speculation although a hybrid panel would be interesting.

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Is this coming out soon or still a year or 2 away?
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Is this coming out soon or still a year or 2 away?


First in store release date is April 15th for Spain and I've also come across June 1st.

"LG PM9700 screens 50 and 60 inches are available in Spain from April 15, for a price of 1,699 € the 50-inch and € 2199 of 60 inches."
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LG showed the 60PM9700 at CES as the 2012 model, so one would assume it will be out this quarter...

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LG showed the 60PM9700 at CES as the 2012 model, so one would assume it will be out this quarter...

Availability hasn't been the issue as they are currently on Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0073XEFDU/...SIN=B0073XEFDU

It's been all the PR about "PLED" that first got my attention, but I guess it's really no more than LG getting trademark rights to use "PLED" as opposed to "plasma" on their new matte screened plasma to differentiate them from the crowd.

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Still, if LG can pull off a full matte screen while maintaining their legendary color with competitive blacks they may have an interesting set for this year.

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Amazon might have them, and they might not -- wouldn't be the first time I saw a web-site say they had it "In-stock" when they didn't. I spoke to a local LG dealer and he said they couldn't get them yet, although he was given the impression they would be available soon. Either way CNET or someone else will get their hands on one in the not too distant future and we'll find out what is going on.

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Either way CNET or someone else will get their hands on one in the not too distant future and we'll find out what is going on.

In which case we might as well mosey back over to the PM9700 tread until then.
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The Spanish LG website lists the PM9700 plasma as a PLED. The US site does not. I'm assuming LG is just using it as a clever new way to market plasmas with an advanced AR filter. Technically a plasma emits light at the pixel level, thus "Pixel Light Emitting Display.". Actually pretty smart of them. Much ado about nothing.

Ha! You're right! Makes sense-- plasma is "old" tech and LED is all the rage. Why not? I mean, it's no less honest than the marketing behind LED!

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Until someone can purchase one of these and take it apart and look at it, we aren't going to know what it is. LG is clearly describing it in "marketing speak".

1) If they are just marketing a plasma tv as a hybrid between led and plasma -- I wouldn't call that smart, I'd call it deceptive.
2) If it is their version of OLED and they have decided to call it PLED, that is fine.
3) If they are marketing two different tvs under the same model number, one in the US and the other everywhere else -- it is odd, confusing, and mostly stupid.

It seems time is the only thing that's going to resolve any of this.

Yeah... Like how LCDs with LED back-lighting are termed LED TVs to confuse customers into thinking they're buying something other than an LCD? They didn't call my old LCD a CCFL display!

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LG's on a rampage in the fight of its life against its Samsung brethren. I'm rooting for LG.
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We know it's a plasma with a matte screen .....
I'd have agree it's just a clever new way to market plasmas with an advanced AR filter.

But then again.........
http://es.engadget.com/2012/03/28/lg...-led-a-partir/
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"It seems that the war in screens created by the models of plasma and LED has its days numbered. That's at least what LG wants to achieve with their new PLED, a new technology and unveiled at CES whose name is a pun between Plasma and LED , but a new twist to this latest technology. Under the symbol Pixel Light Emitting Display (PLED), these new panels hide a new lighting system that is applied pixel by pixel instead of the entire panel backlight as in the actual screens, lighting 6.2 million independent pixels and thus obtaining pure blacks, above the LED speed (600 Mhz) and truer colors (95% of the RGB gamut). The theory is very similar to the screens Crystal LED that Sony introduced during CES 2012 in response to competition OLED models.

In addition, consumption is much lower than that of a plasma, as indicated by overcoming the manufacturer, in only 8% to that achieved by a television LED."

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If so, I don't think that it has anything to do with plasma.
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