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Just bought a panasonic 3d blu ray player and watched a couple of my discs. Captain America looked amazing. I had seen it in the theater and also on a 43 inch 720p Samsung 3d plasma. I thought it was great on both until I just watched it. Wow!! That is a really well done 3d movie. Now I know it is post conversion but it has to be the best one by far. the UT50 does 3d extremely well. Maybe the poor reviews are just do to CNET and others not even bothering to calibrate for 3d. I am using settings found in this forum and I couldn't be happier. I can't wait to try out my other discs.
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Just bought a panasonic 3d blu ray player and watched a couple of my discs. Captain America looked amazing. I had seen it in the theater and also on a 43 inch 720p Samsung 3d plasma. I thought it was great on both until I just watched it. Wow!! That is a really well done 3d movie. Now I know it is post conversion but it has to be the best one by far. the UT50 does 3d extremely well. Maybe the poor reviews are just do to CNET and others not even bothering to calibrate for 3d. I am using settings found in this forum and I couldn't be happier. I can't wait to try out my other discs.

Yes, the 3d is pretty darn good on the 2012 panny plasmas and you'll notice most of the crosstalk goes away if you set it to 48hz. Also,the crosstalk in general seems to very slightly fade as the panel ages as mine has. Maybe its because i watch so much 3d content?smile.gif
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Panasonic sells a 2yr for $89.99 and 3yr for $170.99,or you could go with squaretrade or mack. I think i'd go with panasonic,2yr for $89.99 sounds pretty good.smile.gif

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I just did it online and Its 184.99 for a two years plan. Is it because I registered it after the ten day mark? I order online so I didn't get it until like 5 days ago. I'm gonna give them a call on Monday.

Did anyone else see this plan this first quote is speaking of? I got a two year offer for $184.99 and a three year for $250.00. Dose anyone else notice different price?
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The hdmi content type has zero effect on cinema mode and game and custom are exactly the same as cinema when hdmi content is set to graphics. So there is your answer,all three modes are identical with hdmi content type set to graphics.
What noticeable changes to the picture do you get with HDMI content set to graphics compared to auto in custom preset mode?
Does that only effect with an HDMI input? How about the internal media player and TV tuner sources?
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If you want some good 3D content, the IMAX movies are tremendous, especially the Hubble and Tahiti ones.
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If you want some good 3D content, the IMAX movies are tremendous, especially the Hubble and Tahiti ones.

I literally have everything and the imax are indeed the best. The best effects that i have seen though are from a title called S.O.S. Planet,there are scenes in it that no exaggeration stick out 3 to 6 feet and look as if they are in your room. I have yet to see anything close. I saw it late one night on the xfinity 3d channel and downloaded it the next day as i couldn't find it anywhere. You can seriously stick your hands out and run them through it in the middle of the air lol.
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Panasonic sells a 2yr for $89.99 and 3yr for $170.99,or you could go with squaretrade or mack. I think i'd go with panasonic,2yr for $89.99 sounds pretty good.smile.gif

Did anyone else see this plan this first quote is speaking of? I got a two year offer for $184.99 and a three year for $250.00. Dose anyone else notice different price?

Go to the panasonic usa site and the UT50 page and click the accessories tab. Maybe you have to purchase the tv direct,i don't know but that is the pricing on that page.
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What noticeable changes to the picture do you get with HDMI content set to graphics compared to auto in custom preset mode?
Does that only effect with an HDMI input? How about the internal media player and TV tuner sources?

It flattens Gamma and turns off most picture *Enhancements*.
This permits the custom mode to produce a picture that is accurate like Cinema while increasing brightness.

All other modes are also made usable to those who want accuracy.

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It flattens Gamma and turns off most picture *Enhancements*.
This permits the custom mode to produce a picture that is accurate like Graphics while increasing brightness.
All other modes are also made usable to those who want accuracy.
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Hdmi content setting has zero effect on cinema and when hdmi content is set to graphics it makes game and custom identical to cinema when all other settings are equal. So cinema is the most accurate and should be used for ota or coaxial/tuner programming.
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Hdmi content setting has zero effect on cinema and when hdmi content is set to graphics it makes game and custom identical to cinema when all other settings are equal. So cinema is the most accurate and should be used for ota or coaxial/tuner programming.

Correct. It should be used if it is bright enough.
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Correct. It should be used if it is bright enough.
If not, the custom with Graphics is the next best.
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Thanks Rich,i see what you mean now as i've never had my contrast over 83 for any extended time or for comparison. They look almost exactly the same until you get the contrast on up there and sure enough the custom does get a little brighter.
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Panasonic sells a 2yr for $89.99 and 3yr for $170.99,or you could go with squaretrade or mack. I think i'd go with panasonic,2yr for $89.99 sounds pretty good.smile.gif

Did anyone else see this plan this first quote is speaking of? I got a two year offer for $184.99 and a three year for $250.00. Dose anyone else notice different price?

When I tried it I got $199 for the 2 year on a 55" UT50. It might depend on the price one has paid for the set.
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Do you have your BD player set to 1080/24p or 1080/60p? I personally think motion is better setting the player to output at 60hz.

This.
I'll never set my movies in 1080/24p ever again. 60p reduces the panel judder by a lot. wink.gif
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Then you have no reason to worry. One of the redeeming qualities about the UT50 is the clean image it provides. It reminds me of an LCD with it being so clear. The whites aren't as white as your used to.. then again your seeing blue in those LCD whites so I question the accuracy. The fact that Panasonic left out the louvre filter on the UT coupled with better contrast means the clarity is remarkable for plasma tech. Generally I'd agree with you but not in the case of the UT50. It's a freakish model that will satisfy any guru. smile.gif

Great to hear regarding the clean image! I 'know' this set will satisfy me 100% for movies, but that LCD/LED brightness when set to high when playing those super colorful games such as Super Mario Galaxy 2, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Zelda Skyward sword and what have you look absolutely incredible and surreal. You win some you lose some i guess. For gaming only, If the UT had the brightness levels of an LCD/LED or if a top of the line LCD/LED had the motion handeling of a plasma i'd be perfectly happy. Looks like 'Super OLED' will be thee' ultimate tech that will solve this little problem completely. I'm so anal with PQ that i'd probably go out of my way just to buy a 50" UT and a 50" LED/LCD just to get the best of both worlds. tongue.gif Plasma for movies and certain video games, while I'd use the LCD/LED again for different types of games.

I'm at a point now where i think I'll just snag the 50" UT. I'm not sure if i can afford the 55" as much as I wan't it. Plus considering Wii U games are 720p, wouldn't they look better running on a 50" rather than a
55"? I'm curious if the pixels will start to be more noticable, even though it's really all about the viewing distance.
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I purchased the 55" a couple of weeks ago on Amazon for $1049. Yesterday, I noticed the price had dropped to $999 so I sent a request to Amazon and they already refunded the difference per their Low Price Guarantee.

Nice deal.
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The 50UT50 is now $799 at BB and Sears. I hope Amazon price matches. Going to call them and see. That is an insane deal for these TVs
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I think Sears has the 55" UT50 for $999 this week plus it said something about an additional 10% with a Sears card? How low can it go?
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Hey, just wanted to ask you guys how the ut50 is handleing 720p. I'm having a nightmare of a time with my gt50 when feeding it a 720p signal directly. Everything looks blotty. Faces & background is blotty, smudggy, oil painting look.
Can you confirm for me that the ut50 is scaling normally? I've tried the st50 & returned it for this reason. I got a gt50 & it has the same issue.
I would be grateful.... thanks.
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I purchased the 55" a couple of weeks ago on Amazon for $1049. Yesterday, I noticed the price had dropped to $999 so I sent a request to Amazon and they already refunded the difference per their Low Price Guarantee.
Nice deal.

Sears had it for $950 for a little while on Sunday night. I bought mine a few weeks ago from Amazon at $1100. I emailed Amazon to request price match and within a few hours I was refunded $150. $950 for this TV is a great deal given they are only a couple months into the 2012 model year. This is my first plasma and I'm very pleased with the set.
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But the bigger problem I'm having is when watching anything below 1080i. 1080p and 1080i look fantastic, but when you get to 720p and below it gets a little weird. Everything looks like an oil painting. I've heard something about this before, but I've never seen it, and it makes playing PS3 games that won't accept a 1080 signal kind of a downer.
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Hey, just wanted to ask you guys how the ut50 is handleing 720p. I'm having a nightmare of a time with my gt50 when feeding it a 720p signal directly. Everything looks blotty. Faces & background is blotty, smudggy, oil painting look.
Can you confirm for me that the ut50 is scaling normally? I've tried the st50 & returned it for this reason. I got a gt50 & it has the same issue.
I would be grateful.... thanks.



I just recently noticed something like this on my ST50, It was on a 720P broadcast source and it would appear on faces in the background or far off shots. I haven't seen it on the few 720P videos I have watched/downloaded, so I am thinking it is source related.
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Hard to beleive that me & jsnyder82 are the only ones bothered by this. Maybe everyone is scaling with their devices & not the TV.
I hate it, but I'm returning it. Really awesome tv but this issue is a deal breaker for me.
Like jsnyder82, my PS3 games in 720p look horrid because you don't have the option to upconvert the games on PS3 & I don't have an AVR that can scale the image.
I'm really starting to think that it's present on 1080p as well but it isn't really noticable like it is 480p or 720p.
I could be wrong about that. Blu ray movies look great.
I'm at a loss as to what I'm going to do after a return.

1) Wait till the end of the year & buy another to see if it's fixed?

2) Wait for the 2013s (probabaly will have this issue as well)?

3) Buy a Samsung plasma?

Anyone have suggestions?
I might can find a display GT or VT30 from last year. I could possibly do that.



I will say that I called Panasonic & they were willing to send out a repair guy. I would keep the set if I knew they could fix it for sure but I'm not going to let my return window slip away betting that it can be repaired. So, if your just noticing it & you can't return it you can call them & maybe they indeed can fix it IDK.
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Hard to beleive that me & jsnyder82 are the only ones bothered by this. Maybe everyone is scaling with their devices & not the TV.
I hate it, but I'm returning it. Really awesome tv but this issue is a deal breaker for me.
Like jsnyder82, my PS3 games in 720p look horrid because you don't have the option to upconvert the games on PS3 & I don't have an AVR that can scale the image.


Which PS3 games have you tried? List as many as you can, and I'll move my PS3 to my ST50 to see if I can replicate the problem.

Meanwhile, try downloading a 720P video and playing it off a USB drive and see how that looks.

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Hard to beleive that me & jsnyder82 are the only ones bothered by this. Maybe everyone is scaling with their devices & not the TV.
I hate it, but I'm returning it. Really awesome tv but this issue is a deal breaker for me.
Like jsnyder82, my PS3 games in 720p look horrid because you don't have the option to upconvert the games on PS3 & I don't have an AVR that can scale the image.
I'm really starting to think that it's present on 1080p as well but it isn't really noticable like it is 480p or 720p.
I could be wrong about that. Blu ray movies look great.
I'm at a loss as to what I'm going to do after a return.
1) Wait till the end of the year & buy another to see if it's fixed?
2) Wait for the 2013s (probabaly will have this issue as well)?
3) Buy a Samsung plasma?
Anyone have suggestions?
I might can find a display GT or VT30 from last year. I could possibly do that.
I will say that I called Panasonic & they were willing to send out a repair guy. I would keep the set if I knew they could fix it for sure but I'm not going to let my return window slip away betting that it can be repaired. So, if your just noticing it & you can't return it you can call them & maybe they indeed can fix it IDK.

Just a heads up.
You might want to disable '1080p' and 1080i' in your PS3 Resolution menu. I've had the same problem happen to me on every single HDTV i've played the PS3 on. The PS3 sometimes reads 720p titles at 1080p and the end result
is NASTY picture quality....This happened to me for demo's such as Bioshock 2, Uncharted 2 and every other 720p native PS3 game i got my hands on. Most PS3 games as in 95% of them are obviously 720p, yet the PS3 for some reason doesn't always detect them
as 720p if 1080p/i is enabled in your PS3' resolution/screen options.

Once i disabled 1080p and 1080i and just had 720p with the automatic 480p selected those previous demo's which are native 720p to begin with looked crystal clear HD-gorgeous!eek.gifcool.gif You can also press 'info' on your remote and see what resolution it's currently set to during
the game. So my advice before you return it? Disable 1080p and 1080i in the PS3 resolution/options and have 720p/480p selected. i guarantee you will notice a massive difference since the game
will actually THEN be displayed in 720p properly on your 1080p set instead of the crazy upscaled blown up nasty fuzzy distorted image you will get when having 1080p selected. wink.gif

try it out and tell me it how it works! wink.gif It's a complete night and day difference! If the problem still continues i might have to think otherwise with the UT as well,
considering most Wii U games will also be 720p. But i have a feeling i'm right on the money with the problem you're having since you're playing720p games in 1080p. XP
Once you play in actual 720p you'll be amazed by the difference.
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It doesn't have to be a PS3 game. Anything I've tried in 480p or 720p fed directly to the set becomes an oil painting. Not as severe on close up face shots but background & regular face shots in movies is very smudggy.
For PS3, the problem lies in that I cannot upconvert the 720p games to 1080p.
The problem is 720p games not upconverted have the blotting issue.
480p also has the issue.

My set isn't scaling correctly or Panasonic has some built in edge smoother that cannot be shut off in 2012. Or I possibly got two bad sets in a row.
Last years ST30 did not have this problem. It did great with 720p.

I can set the xbox 360 to display in 720p which I always did before, but on this set there's the smudging, I can set my dvd player to 720p or 480p & it's there as well.

It does not do well unless it is getting a 1080p signal upconverted or pure.
I think 1080i is free of this issue as well but I would have to confirm.

"Once you play in actual 720p you'll be amazed by the difference."
I know what your saying & I would love to but the TV messes it up.
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Well that sucks! Looks like I'm not getting this set than again since Wii U titles will be running in 720p and if it gives off an oil painting-like look than It's a no go for me....Geez am I destined to game on an LED/LCD? XP As much as i love the brightness levels they can achieve, the motion handeling destroys 3rd or first person experiences like Metroid Prime, Resident Evil 4, Elebits ect ect.
If only Super OLEDs were more afforadable. The 55" is hitting later this year at an insane price. I've got to admit, I've been through 3 HDTV's and they've all been nothing but problems in comparison to my trust 32" Tube CRT as far as gaming goes. Won't watch movies on an LCD/LED because of the horrible inherent motion handeling and the slightly artifical picture they produce, the screen clouding, typically weak contrast ratios and back light bleeding, plus that nasty dismal 'no glow' that emmits from the TV. Plasma's for film are golden, no problems there, but both technologies have their own ups and downs when it comes to gaming where it just complicates things for gamers in general. Input lag is the biggest problem....
It's pretty damn frustrating i must say....I was set on buying the UT, but if this is the case for 720p/480p content than count me out. Also, LG Plasmas seem to never have anything funky going on picture quality wise, but they're considering weak when it comes to black levels and high input lag. sigh* As for Samsung, i can't really say. I'd only go Panasonic for plasmas since they're known for produces the least aount of lag and can deliver the best blacks.
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Just a heads up.
You might want to disable '1080p' and 1080i' in your PS3 Resolution menu. I've had the same problem happen to me on every single HDTV i've played the PS3 on. The PS3 sometimes reads 720p titles at 1080p and the end result
is NASTY picture quality....This happened to me for demo's such as Bioshock 2, Uncharted 2 and every other 720p native PS3 game i got my hands on. Most PS3 games as in 95% of them are obviously 720p, yet the PS3 for some reason doesn't always detect them
as 720p if 1080p/i is enabled in your PS3' resolution/screen options.
Once i disabled 1080p and 1080i and just had 720p with the automatic 480p selected those previous demo's which are native 720p to begin with looked crystal clear HD-gorgeous!eek.gifcool.gif You can also press 'info' on your remote and see what resolution it's currently set to during
the game. So my advice before you return it? Disable 1080p and 1080i in the PS3 resolution/options and have 720p/480p selected. i guarantee you will notice a massive difference since the game
will actually THEN be displayed in 720p properly on your 1080p set instead of the crazy upscaled blown up nasty fuzzy distorted image you will get when having 1080p selected. wink.gif
try it out and tell me it how it works! wink.gif It's a complete night and day difference! If the problem still continues i might have to think otherwise with the UT as well,
considering most Wii U games will also be 720p. But i have a feeling i'm right on the money with the problem you're having since you're playing720p games in 1080p. XP
Once you play in actual 720p you'll be amazed by the difference.

I have none of those problems,my ps3 with all resolutions checkmarked display all of my games properly. My 720p games default to 720p and my tv shows 720p when info is pressed and does the same when a 1080p title is played. I never get the oil painting effect except on hd over the air channels that are displaying sd content. People don't realize that just because its a 1080 channel or 720 they do still show some sd content and thats when things look bad. As for the oil painting effect,i had something that i guess you could call the oil painting effect and it only lasted for 30-50hrs or before my phosphors got a little break in or age. My PS3 displays all of my content correctly and crystal clear and looks just as it did on my Panny G10 and on my Toshiba 52HM95 DLP. I also btw have a old fat PS3 with a upgraded 320gb hd,i don't know maybe the new ones upscale games but mine doesn't and displays them all at their proper res. It sounds like something is wrong with your ps3 if thats not the case.
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It doesn't have to be a PS3 game. Anything I've tried in 480p or 720p fed directly to the set becomes an oil painting. Not as severe on close up face shots but background & regular face shots in movies is very smudggy.
For PS3, the problem lies in that I cannot upconvert the 720p games to 1080p.
The problem is 720p games not upconverted have the blotting issue.
480p also has the issue.
My set isn't scaling correctly or Panasonic has some built in edge smoother that cannot be shut off in 2012. Or I possibly got two bad sets in a row.
Last years ST30 did not have this problem. It did great with 720p.
I can set the xbox 360 to display in 720p which I always did before, but on this set there's the smudging, I can set my dvd player to 720p or 480p & it's there as well.
It does not do well unless it is getting a 1080p signal upconverted or pure.
I think 1080i is free of this issue as well but I would have to confirm.
"Once you play in actual 720p you'll be amazed by the difference."
I know what your saying & I would love to but the TV messes it up.

Have you tried updating the TV firmware? It couldn't hurt.
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Yes, software is up to date.
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Yes, software is up to date.

Oh you had an ST50 and now a GT50. What your describing i think is the non defeatable edge enhancement i believe and maybe the DSE or dirty screen effect from the filter aswell. I think anything above the UT50 has that problem from what i've read "i think". I have the UT50 and thats why i don't have that problem. I believe i read the non defeatable edge enhancement is a side effect or bug from having the dual core processor for the apps. I know the GT50 and VT50 have the dual core processor and i believe the ST50 does aswell,search and find out and you may have your answer. The UT50 has a single core processor so it doesn't suffer from non defeatable edge enhancement or the dse since it has no filter.
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Hello, i'm thinking about upgrading my 50 85u to the UT50.My question is will i get a significant upgrade i Pq with the Ut50 over my 85u.I would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this.


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